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Please don't 'baby' your children

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pineapple95 · 14/12/2018 22:48

Where do I start?

Parents of my y3/4 class routinely carry their children's bags in, take their lunch bags to the hall, hand in letters and money, put their reading diaries and spelling books in the right places on the right days, linger in the corridor chatting ... for goodness sake MAKE YOUR CHILD LOOK AFTER THEIR STUFF!

7-9 year olds can carry bags and remember books. Don't baby them. Even 3 year olds can carry their bags - don't be that parent who mollycoddles their children.

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 03/01/2019 09:11

It was introduced as a way to convince voters that New Labour was as solid on making teachers accountable as the Tories were

How did it make teachers accountable?

pineapple95 · 08/01/2019 00:03

I'm sorry you've had a hard time, but you've misunderstood my post. How on earth can you take me saying kids need to look after their own stuff as a slight on you as a parent or teacher? I don't know you. I don't know your kids. If you are a teacher, I don't know your class. But, any child in juniors should be allowed to bring their own bags in, put them on their pegs, bring letters in, and generally sort themselves out.
To everyone who said I shouldn't let parents in to class etc, it's certainly not my decision, it's a school thing from the head teacher. I hate it, it disrupts the mornings something awful.

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pineapple95 · 08/01/2019 00:17

typical attitude from parents of 'snowflakes'. Honestly - get a grip! Children are far more capable than you think.

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pineapple95 · 08/01/2019 00:23

teachers never ever 'don't see' children with special educational needs. How can you even think that? These children are in our classes, all the time, bloody well struggling because the government won't allocate more money to support them. How dare you say we don't see them?!
Obviously, when I said that children should sort out their own stuff , OBVIOUSLY I didn't mean SEND children who can't do this. You were trying to pick an argument where there was none. Ridiculous.

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pineapple95 · 08/01/2019 00:29

Crikey, this school sounds amazing!

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loolooskip · 08/01/2019 02:34

Snowflakes? Do fuck off. Glad you're not my kid's teacher, you sound unpleasant.

mathanxiety · 08/01/2019 03:04

Teachers accountable = making children do phonics tests, to make sure the teachers weren't spending their time just accommodating play.

Norestformrz · 08/01/2019 05:37

Teachers don't make children do phonic tests. There is one screening check (two minutes reading one to one with the teacher) at the end of Y2. The child's results are reported to the parent and identify children who may require additional support. It's the same type of check used by Educational Psychologists and Dyslexia Screening checks to identify early reading issues.

mathanxiety · 08/01/2019 06:57

Who said it's teachers who make children do phonics tests..?
This is government policy.

The aim of testing is to compare schools and to determine progress, if any, of individual students from Reception to Y6. The child's results will apparently never be reported to the parents. The results are purely for government use. The results will flag students who need extra support, allegedly. Money for this will come from the fabled money tree.
www.theschoolrun.com/reception-baseline-assessment-tests-explained-for-parents

www.theguardian.com/education/2014/feb/01/reception-children-compulsory-tests-2016 Projected now to start 2020. Piloting to take place in 2019. That is this year!

Weird, isn't it, that phonics for all at age 4 is apparently such a well evidenced policy, based on research, and couldn't possibly pose any problems because it is well researched and based on evidence, but only in 2020 will the government get around to seeing whether it is effective.

Kinda supports the suspicion that phonics for all at age 4 is actually a programme designed with party political motives uppermost in mind and not based on any evidence whatsoever, a massive exercise in pulling the wool over the eyes of the voting public, an experiment hundreds of thousands of children have been subjected to, only without any of the means of measuring its effectiveness or issues. A completely cack arsed exercise, in other words.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/key-stage-1-tests-2018-english-reading-test-materials
'Key stage 1 tests: 2018 English reading test materials'

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/711236/STA187960e_2018_ks1_English_reading_Paper1_reading_prompt_and_answer_booklet.pdf.pdf
'KS1 English Reading'.
'Paper 1: Reading prompt and answer booklet'.

It seems to me that a serious attempt at teaching focused reading is either made in Reception (age 4/5) or in Y1 (age 5/6) if children are expected to read and respond to this drivel

www.gov.uk/government/publications/reception-curriculum-in-good-and-outstanding-primary-schools-bold-beginnings
Bold Beginnings link here.

www.theguardian.com/education/2018/jan/16/tests-reception-children-immoral-england-play
What a sorry spectacle.

Roberts-Holmes says the test risks making social inequality worse, as parents with high expectations will prepare their children, which could mean these infants have a higher score and that higher expectations will follow them throughout their school careers. The opposite could be true for children from disadvantaged homes.

Another problem many early years teachers have with the test is that they won’t be given the results, so won’t be able to use it to help children. The DfE tender document, issued just before Christmas, makes it clear that the outcomes will not be available in detail.

This has led to Early Excellence, the supplier of the most popular observation-based tests used in 2015, to pull out of tendering. Jan Dubiel, its national and international director, says: “We are not opposed to the idea of an entry assessment. But all assessment should support learning. It’s absurd and ridiculous to test purely for accountability.”

He argues that research is clear that testing is unreliable until the age of seven, when the brain enters a new phase of development.

“By the time children are eight or nine they know that in a test the point of the game is to get the right answers. Very young children respond very differently and give you the right – or the wrong – answer in different situations.

“Unfortunately, the government has not engaged with us at any point around baseline even though we have asked to meet them. It’s quite clear that there is ideological opposition to observational assessment.”

The DfE view is that the early years foundation stage framework, which does include observation, helps inform teaching and learning and the baseline tests will inform the government’s big picture on progress in schools over time. In the tender, the government is at pains to point out that the results will not be used to judge teachers or schools.

But many remain sceptical, because the government clearly has concerns about the reception year in some schools. The Ofsted report highlighted that a third of five-year-olds, and half of disadvantaged ones, were not reaching expected standards of development in their reception year. The inspectors recommended more focus on reading, including phonics.

Norestformrz · 08/01/2019 07:06

No it isn't. At the end of Year 1 children have one five minute screening check ...not phonic tests.

Norestformrz · 08/01/2019 07:08

"The aim of testing is to compare schools and to determine progress" since the results aren't published how do they serve as a comparison measure? The aim of the screening check is to identify those children who may require additional support. It follows a method used by Educational Psychologists and Dyslexia Screening tools.

mathanxiety · 09/01/2019 01:18

I take it you are not inclined to believe the sample test with the passages and the questions. That is not a screening test. It tests reading and comprehension. Here it is again...assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/711236/STA187960e_2018_ks1_English_reading_Paper1_reading_prompt_and_answer_booklet.pdf.pdf
Example of the material: '...he couldn't help hoping it wouldn't be the big, blue one'.

They serve as a comparison for whatever civil servants and policy makers are allowed to see them. This is not about rankings for public consumption. It is about trying to keep tabs on teachers and HTs. It will also provide proof that children aged 5 are not able to digest language of the sort I quoted but that won't worry anyone in government.

The organisation hired to conduct the pilot of the new baseline tests backed out because of major concerns.

mathanxiety · 09/01/2019 01:20

It is about trying to keep tabs on teachers and HTs...

...and it will provide 'evidence' that maintained schools are failing, therefore they should be turned into academies, which will be run by individuals or organisations or groups of investors who have made donations to the Conservative Party.

Norestformrz · 09/01/2019 06:45

Since I have administered the Phonics Screening Check since it was introduced I'm not inclined to accept your incorrect view

Norestformrz · 09/01/2019 06:49

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Norestformrz · 09/01/2019 06:50

"They serve as a comparison for whatever civil servants and policy makers are allowed to see them. " that would be no one then as they aren't shared with any civil servants or policy makers.

JemSynergy · 09/01/2019 12:56

Never allowed in the school past nursery. My children have always had they own year group entrance and from reception to year 3 they've been greeted at the door by their teacher and then left to sort out putting away their coats and packed lunch. We pay for trips etc online and we even give authorisation for trips online. I do sometimes offer to carry my daughters bag for her, why not? Sometimes is is really heavy and I like doing things for her, she's my daughter.

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