What would happen if a child didn't want to do their work?

[Classof2032]

Basically that. My 5 year old was kept in at playtime and lost all of her Golden Time today. I feel it was extremely harsh and has the obvious side effect of her deciding that she doesn't like her teacher any more.

Excellent, regarding your daughter's progress Shes.

However I do note that the way punishments are instigated are as a 'last resort' and this is alongside other methods used in order to help support your daughter better self-manage her behaviour. These kind of actions would form part of a more thoughtful, graduated approach I posted about upthread.

I do not think the OP has been disrespectful to the teacher, in questioning her daughter's punishment. I think, as she has explained it, the punishment has been used more as a 'first response' tactic rather than last resort. And it does not appear to have worked in that the OP has not suggested her daughter has shown any regret in her actions or successfully modified them. Certainly if this is the case, more needs to be done.

Personally, I think the parent needs to talk to her daughter about why she must do her school work etc, to help her understand the importance of it. However the school also needs to have a more considered, flexible approach and use more varied behaviour management techniques, than merely punishment/reward - which clearly are not helping OP's daughter but instead serving only to help her form a negative association of the school and class teacher.

We are nearly in May. The OP's first complaint about school was back in September. Therefore, I'm going to assume that other approaches have been tried already with this child.

lager your posts read like a textbook. I'd be interested to know if you've ever tried out your philosophy with 30 boisterous Reception children.

Yes, clam I have.

We are nearly in May. The OP's first complaint about school was back in September. Therefore, I'm going to assume that other approaches have been tried already with this child.

However, there has still not been a great deal of success. I would suggest there needs to be further exploration of what exactly is happening.

How do you know other strategies have not been tried and failed? Missing break is not a "first call" option, it is the one that occurs when persuasion/cajoling/distraction etc have been attempted without success. I don't know many teachers, certainly not in Reception, who would not first try everything other than missing play/golden time.

Further explanation of exactly what is happening?
How about starting with the child's mother backing up the teacher, instead of making excuses for her child's behaviour?

Ozzie yes I was very pleased she went. The woman should not have been in charge of any child.

And oliversmummy, do you really think that you "got the teacher fired" on the strength of one conversation with the Head? And if you did, is that something you're proud of?

Spaniel I can only go on what the OP has said, as can the other posters. However some of my comments have been in response to other's posters criticism of the OP and her concerns which I think are possibly valid, as it is perfectly reasonable to consider, that this kind of punishment, is affecting her daughter's learning detrimentally. I have qualified my comments, in that I do not think there is no place at all for punishments, however I do think the context, in which they are applied, matters a great deal regarding their effectiveness.

Lagertha, if you have taught Reception, would your first option be missing play or would you have tried every other strategy first? If the latter, why would you assume other Reception teachers would not do the same?

clam a parent cannot 'back up' a teacher they strongly suspect is in the wrong. This would not constitute 'supporting the school'. A parent is obliged to voice significant concerns, for their child and school's sake.

spaniel I would avoid making too many assumptions.

But she's not voicing significant concerns. If she'd come on here and asked for help/advice/opinions as to how best help her daughter who was having trouble getting used to school's routines and expectations, and seemed to be behaving badly, she would have got a different response, I'm sure. She doesn't appear to have an issue with the behaviour, just the fact that she missed her golden time, which is a fairly standard sanction in schools.

You have made them on here, despite your experience of Reception classes, you have assumed that the teacher has not tried a range of strategies and that this was not a "last resort" measure.

clam we don't know how significant the OP's concerns are. I would not dismiss them out of hand, though. If, as you claim, this OP has posted on here numerous times before, about her daughter's experience of school, I would suggest she is unhappy for some reason. Instead of berating her or dismissing her viewpoint, I personally think, it might be more productive to offer possible explanations as to what could be going on to see if anything fits - so then it can be tackled. '

Parent is at fault' is not the explanation for every problem with a teacher or school. How many parents, whose children have gone onto be diagnosed with disabilities which impacted their learning, have had to undergo parenting classes in order for their concerns to be taken seriously? This kind of attitude only makes life more difficult for those with children who do have additional needs.

spaniels my assumptions balance yours out then.

One of her more memorable threads was about a lost cardigan, whereby she was furious with the teacher for not spending more time looking for it. That's the level of "complaint" we're talking about here. Indications are that she's determined to find fault with the school regardless.

I work with 5 year olds who may need support with work sometimes. Some need to be kept on task because of day dreaming others need support to do the work. Most get their work done.

As we only get your side of the story, there could be a longer version about how your Dd was warned all week about loosing golden time.

If that is the case (are you assuming name changes?) it sounds like she could be very stressed out, to be so upset,clam.

that this kind of punishment, is affecting her daughter's learning detrimentally

Golden time - last thing in Friday - big assumption to suggest this child is now "failing at school"

Clam I also thought cardi lady! There was another one as well - something equally ridiculous but can't think what it was about.

sally more to do with the negative associations of school and the teacher she is forming.

Either

The child now thinks the teacher hates her and she will no longer be able to go to school
OR
She's learnt not to mess about and do her work?

All from missing 15 mins play - on a Friday afternoon??

Depends whether this is an isolated incident, sally.

Oliversmumsarmy, I still don't get why you have left it so long.

I get it it's frustrating that school isn't helping your child. But if you knew, you could have helped him at home. My dad used to help me with maths in the morning at breakfast table before he goes to work, because by the time he came home it was time for me to go to bed. But 5 minutes every morning gave me confidence and I got really good with maths.(well, up to certain point.)

One of ds's class mate's mum is a single mum, works full time, and her dd is falling behind massively. I've seen her confronting teacher for not giving her extra help, yelling and everything, even she already have interventions in place.

Yet she always tells me what fun place she went during school holidays, and hasn't done any homework set by school. I even gave her info for lots of free websites to help her dd, but she doesn't seems to be interested. She says her dd's learning is teacher's responsibility. I really feel sorry for the teacher(who must be trying so hard), and also for her dd.

The idea that a teacher of 30 children should try to gently coax a child into doing the work the whole class has been set is mind boggingly ridiculous.
What will "affect her learning detrimentally" is letting her imagine the rules don't apply to her, and she can pick and choose what lessons she's prepared to engage with. that is, her mother is her biggest problem