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Private schools, wow what a difference! (Year 4)

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FedUpWithSchools · 17/03/2011 12:48

Got very disillusioned with DS?s ?outstanding? primary. First alarm bells started to ring in year 3, when every single day he?ll bring a drawing or a robot made of cardboard or a car made of boxes, you get the picture while he hardly got any homework. I tried talking to his teacher about it, but she was always very reassuring and said he is doing fine. I am a foreigner, so was not so familiar with a UK education system and thought the teacher knows what she is doing. Then in year 4 I found out about sets. Apparently my son is in a middle set for everything. According to teacher, he got an ability to be in a top set in a different class, but because his class is overall ?exceptionally bright?, the top set is working at a level of year 5, or even sometimes year 6. My son complains that on days that they got math (and they don?t do math every day), bottom set gets to ?play? on PCs ? they do educational games, middle set gets work to do on their own, and the teacher sits with the top set (5 kids out of a class of 35) and teaches them. If my son or anybody else gets ?stuck? on their work, the teacher with just get very stressed and will tell him in a raised voice just to get on with his work or read a book or draw something if he is finished. Bottom set gets a ?special? teacher to work with them a few times a week during literacy and math lessons. Children never move between sets. Sometimes my son finishes his work quickly and asks to listen or join with the top set, but teacher always gets annoyed and sends him back to his table.

I had a parents meeting with the teacher a few weeks ago, and raised all my concerns. I am very worried about the amount of stuff he is learning at school, as the 11+ is looming and only the top 5 kids are getting sufficient tutoring to pass the exam. The teacher agreed with me, and hinted that it will benefit my son to get a tutor or even better a private school. So off we went to look for a private. And all I can say is wow! We visited 4 schools in total. Class sizes vary from 16 to 22; 2 schools were selective, another 2 are not. But all 4 of the schools had a grammar pass rate between 90% and 85%. My son?s school sends around 6 kids out of 70 each year, so 3 kids per class. In all private schools that we visited all kids are taught by the same teacher at the same level. They also sit on their own desks facing the teacher, not in groups. Children get books for each subject, so the parent knows exactly what is covered at school on each given day, and will be able to go over it at home if needed. There is also an hour of homework every day and in year 5 schools run ?summer schools? to coach for 11+ exams. Some schools also had longer days in year 5 to cover the material quicker and start preparing for 11+ earlier in the year.

To be honest, the difference of standards and attainment really shocked me. How do they manage to teach every single kid in a classroom to the same level when a state school claims its impossible? Why state school cant just teach all kids at the same level, with kids all sitting and listening to the teacher instead of sitting in groups around round tables, sometimes with their backs to the blackboard? I really don?t get it. We are moving our son next week to a new school, wish I knew about the differences earlier, feeling guilty now for denying him a proper education for so many years.

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magdalene · 17/03/2011 20:39

Hi! Glad you are happy with your new choice of school. There definitely is a huge difference between the state and private sector in terms of attainment and expectations. Private schools don't use 'upbringing' or 'poverty' etc as a barrier to learning. They have high standards of all their children and the discipline is very tight too. Just because your child is in the middle set in the state sector doesn't mean he can't catch up in the private sector. With smaller class sizes he will get more attention.

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seeker · 17/03/2011 22:29

"Private schools don't use 'upbringing' or 'poverty' etc as a barrier to learning."

Once more for the hard of thinking. That's because there aren't any poor children at private schools!

Jajas · 17/03/2011 22:37

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seeker · 17/03/2011 22:40

The number of full bursaries or scholarships are vanishingly small - most are only a percentage. And most don't cover uniform or other extras.

Find me a statistically significant number of genuinely poor child at private school and I will retract my statement.

Actually - find me any genuinely poor children at private school and I will retract my statement!

CaptainNancy · 17/03/2011 22:43

Well- in fairness there are some (those on full bursaries, children in care, those whose GPs decide they will pay school fees but refuse to contribute anything to the child's household, those whose parents actually teach in the school and thus get a large reduction in fees...)

CaptainNancy · 17/03/2011 22:45

And of course there are those that beggar their families to pay for fee-paying schools.... erm...

Jajas · 17/03/2011 22:46

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magicmummy1 · 17/03/2011 23:00

Gosh, the private schools you have described sound like a nightmare to me! My dd would be bored stiff...

MADABOUTTHEBOY2000 · 17/03/2011 23:36

i had one of my DS's at a middle school my older two DCs did fantastic at the school is one of the best in the city and its a state school who has better results than the three local private schools and its not at all bright to believe that exams and school results/table are the whole picture of how good a school is one of the other best schools here in the city that has almost as good results accademic sucess is actually reknown for the pupils being very unhappy and bullied . any school that selects individually their students is obviously going to have a high pass rate of students getting into grammer , and btw my three DC's have been to one pre school two middle schools and one (the top school including higher exam pass rates than the private schools in the city i live) none of these schools have been or taught the way you describe fedup*

Mousesmummy · 17/03/2011 23:51

Don't often post - but what utter elitist CRAP being spouted by the OP on this thread!!!
And I wouldn't mind but the bloody grammar being used by the OP is shocking - "do as I say not as I do" must be a commonly heard phrase in your house Angry

BoffinMum · 17/03/2011 23:56

Teaching all the kids at the same level works throughout most of Europe. We seem to obsess about minute differences between children yet do little to address them. Our primary school system fails many children at present.

Clary · 18/03/2011 00:14

OP your teacher at state primary sounds not great.

But I agree with others who say you may have rose-tinted glasses.

Also I am sorry for your son; I have a child in yr 5 and one in yr 3 and would be very unhappy if they were given an hour of homework a day and 2-3 hours' more work from me each day and more at the weekend!

Mind you, I went to a selective grammar school and it's not what I would choose for my children. No grammars where I live thank goodness so I can't answer yr query about % getting past 11+ (which seems to be yr main indicator of excellence Hmm)

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cory · 18/03/2011 09:07

My dd was one of those children on a bursary at a prestigious private school. And yes, his parents were poor-ish, but still very much middle class. I don't suppose he would have had a chance to pass the exam if he had come from one of the council estates, with an illiterate family who had been out of work for generations and never opened a book. But a state school has to teach those children too.

To get a bursary or scholarship you have to convince the school that you are the kind of child they want. And funnily enough, it gets easier to do this if you have a certain amount of common background.

FedUpWithSchools · 18/03/2011 09:19

Mousesmummy, your post sounds very xenophobic to say the least. My native language is very different phonetically, for example instead of saying "I got a red tomato", we'll say "Got me tomato red". We also don?t use capital letters and got VERY different punctuation. As I think in my language, I do sometimes make silly mistakes, but my comprehension is excellent, and I got a first class degree from one of the leading UK universities and working on another one at the moment. DH is also very academic, so it is more of a "do as I do" at our household...

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FedUpWithSchools · 18/03/2011 09:20

And by the way, we were looking for a private school on a teacher's recommendation. She went to a private school herself and her children are in a private sector...

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/03/2011 09:26

Not keen on this thread.

Because..if I can afford something others can't, I wouldn't dream of posting how much better the thing I bought is than that which they just have to accept.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/03/2011 09:29

And that is not jealousy speaking, we could probably afford private school if DD didn't have SN which would prevent her getting a place.

FedUpWithSchools · 18/03/2011 09:30

Really Fanjo? Then they should close down the "Style and Beauty", as I cant afford most of the clothes that they are talking about in all the style threads...

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/03/2011 09:32

Buying a dress is not quite the same as ensuring your child gets a better education.

Pagwatch · 18/03/2011 09:32

Except that most style and beauty threads are not as crass as

" wow. I just bought some Louboutins which are way better than the shit you can afford"

Ormirian · 18/03/2011 09:33

Hurrah for you!

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