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Anyone had problems with pre school? I think they are trying to label my son as autistic

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roseability · 01/02/2011 20:15

I am pretty sure my ds keyworker was suggesting my ds is on the autistic spectrum

We are confident this is not the case, as at home and at family functions he shows no signs

We had a meeting today with the deputy head of the school (who oversees the nursery) as we had some concerns about how this has been handled

Does anyone else have experience of this?

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Bink · 03/02/2011 09:34

I know this thread has been rocky at times, and I'm sorry for all the OP's distress, but can I just say it's been one of the most powerful, passionate, experience-packed threads I've seen on here? (And I'm a veteran of these sorts of threads.)

I wanted to add my own experience, maybe not so much for the OP now, but for all those other people who'll read this in future. It will be long sorry ....

My experience (ds, now 11) is of perhaps a rather classic 'borderline' child - maybe closer to rose's son's presentation than some others? Ds is lovely at home, and indeed anywhere that life can be 'on his own terms'. He's a dream kind big brother - because dd (10) happens to like and joins in with his very extreme precise imaginative games. He's no trouble to us - because he'd rather entertain himself than demand attention/interaction. But school is - and has been since concerns were raised at nursery - a different matter.

When he was little, I had no idea that what I thought of as ds's happy "self-containedness" as a toddler (no tantrums, passive go-along-with-everything, no stranger anxiety, no endless whywhywhy, no mummy mummy mummy) should have been a concern. We all convinced ourselves that he didn't follow the group at nursery because Blush he was "too bright" to be in the herd. We just didn't see that, to put it very simply, ds was missing some fundamental instinctive behaviours - and as has been said, that is what matters.

Here is the crucial bit for rose, though: we did take the hint, and did get him assessed - and the outcome was no diagnosis, no 'label', no conclusive explanation. BUT that did not mean ds does not have problems, and real ones - I've just done the Aussie Asperger's link below and he ticks just about every box, plus some - and that school is not very difficult sometimes. The fact is that the more borderline presentation becomes a problem LATER, let's say after about age 7, and if you haven't got strategies in place by then the issues/traits in the child are even more fixed and you have got a bigger problem to deal with.

So I would say (a) do please get him assessed, and as soon as possible (I realise rose is now planning to do this, so this is just encouragement) but (b) IF the answer is inconclusive, please don't assume everything is thereby and therefore fine - keep an eye; take every bit of advice and input you can.
My experience might suggest, I think, that the borderline children are almost in a way more difficult to deal with than the clear cases - because every borderline child is borderline in their own unique way, and the variety of strategies and input you need has no clear pattern or route to follow. So you need everything you can get; and you need an attitude that says you will make the most of everything that is offered as help.

I'm sorry to have gone on so. What I also thought I might do is add a list of what has turned out to be ds's actual day-to-day problems now he is older, so stuff that rose might perhaps want to look out for. Would that be useful?

ArthurPewty · 03/02/2011 10:07

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drowninginlaundry · 03/02/2011 10:18

I actually have been feeling quite emotional after reading this, the thread has brought back vivid memories of time around DS1s diagnosis. It was really tough. Some people close to us couldn't deal with it at all - DH and his dad are still not talking, almost four years on, Sad

I haven't posted on MN for a long time (although have just been doing searches on toddler sleep strikes Smile) but will start again. It really is a great place for support.

pagwatch · 03/02/2011 10:21

As many of us have admitted on here to being deeply anal may I just puck up on a post about two pages back.

Rupaul
The idea that parents have a notion from babyhood that their child us different is completely incorrect. In fact it is quite possibly more the opposite. Nanyang many parents have no notion whatsoever, have absorbed any faint signs as simply quirks of their child. My son regressed so actually had no symptoms until he was about 20 months old. This kind of wives tale, that all parents know is quite damaging.

Rose,
I hope you are feeling a bit better this morning. I think speaking to your gp privately and starting an assessment via his referral is an excellent idea.
I initially went to an excellent Ed psych when everyone (including my gp) were quite irritated by my concerns that ds2 had altered and was struggling.
It gave me a strong conviction I was correct to be concerned and helped me push for a full nhs asessment.

The problem with talking to friends and family is that they love your son and they love you. They hope there is no problem. They want there to be no problem. However loving and brave and honest they are the temptation to see what they so wish to see, to be able to tell you what your want to hear , is overwhelming.

It is a kindness that backfires a bit because all it dies is put more pressure on us. One of the hardest things in the world was being the one person who kept saying that ds2 had issues.
My gp actually accused me of wanting ds2 to be autistic - a pretty terrible thing to say to another human being really.

silverfrog · 03/02/2011 10:27

agree with pagwatch's wise words, as usual.

one of the hardest things about this (and oyu have otuched on it in some of your posts, rose, re: your dh might not be able ot accept etc) was being the one who had to repeatedly stand up and say "sorry, no, everything is not right", when everyone around me was saying how beautiful dd1 was (she was, and is Smile), how social she was (ditto), how she was "just a bit behind" (yes, and she remains so) etc.

everyone around me, from dh to wider family, to health professionals, kept telling me I was wrong.

and it made my life a very lonely place for quite some time.

they weren't doign those htings becasue they wanted to hurt me, but because they desperately hoped that I was wrong. because they loved dd1 so much. faily can be too close, sometimes.

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saintlyjimjams · 03/02/2011 12:11

I was told I was 'too negative' and 'holding him back' and if I 'just let him go he will fly'. I was told by nursery that I was talking to him 'too much' then 'not enough'. I was told by a dietician that I was mistaken if I thought he had autism and I should be using star charts (age 12 he doesn't understand a sodding star chart).

I would have loved them all to be right

AvaBanana · 03/02/2011 12:37

Agree with pag re: not always picking up the signs early.

I certainly didn't.

Especially hard with young children with Asperger's, as often the sort of 'difficult' behaviour that comes with AS just looks like the behaviour of a bright, bratty child.
Health professionals can be very reluctant to diagnose under fives with AS, too.

Greythorne · 03/02/2011 13:29

Rose
just coming back to apologise to you because I started a rather harsh post last night, got sidetracked, did not check the messages inbetween, then posted late, after the thread had changed direction.
I see you are in a different frame if mind versus early last evening and my post makes little sense
apologies
good luck

WoodysHat · 03/02/2011 13:30

Rose, I am glad you are now considering getting your DS assessed. Reading a previous post of yours from Novemeber 09 I can see you've had your own concerns for some time and I think that having professionals in your immediate family that have batted away any suggestions of ASD etc has clouded the issue somewhat.

Just a question though - reading the link that was posted earlier to the swimming pool incident (outrageous btw, I think I would've punched that man Angry, you say your DS is 4.11. If that is not a typo then how come he is still at nursery and not in school?

Good luck with the assessment should you decide to go ahead, have been there myself and it can be a long slog but will ultimately benefit your DS so worth doing. I also well remember the shock and rollercoaster of emotions at the time, and devastation too - I wanted my son to be 'normal' and was very hard to accept that he wasn't.

Shells · 03/02/2011 17:50

Good luck Rose. Hope all is ok.

dietstartstmoz · 03/02/2011 22:00

Pagwatch, will you be my mentor? I have been posting a bit on SN boards and a bit on here before it all kicked off. Your post above pagwatch really touched me. My DS 3.5 is currently undertaking various assessments, SALT, etc but we fully expect to get a dx at some point of ASD. I had no idea and no concerns, nursery teacher mentioned something to me in Nov (a bit like Rose's experience) and since then it's all been a whirlwind. Family don't get it, my dad thinks ASD is invented to keep people in jobs! DH and I are struggling that our gorgeous boy may have ASD, because we also worry for the future. And I keep pushing and pushing health professionals to act on our concern now, and it is killing me as all I seem to be doing is to focus on the negatives and i'm losing sight of my baby boy. I've never felt so low as the past few months and can't tell people as I keep crying. This really is an awful process to go through.

ValiumSandwichTime · 04/02/2011 12:53

I know the OP has long gone, so I'm not trying to make a point to her,,,

but I agree that the parent doesn't always know. I was in denial totally. PARTLY because I think I might have a few adult aspie relatives, so my percetion and my mother and my aunts' perceptions of how young boys develop wasn't totally unbiased.

pagwatch · 04/02/2011 13:58

Dietstarts

I am sorry, I have only just seen your post...

It is a hideous process. How you are describing yourself is exactly how I would have described myself at the same time. It feels so incredibly lonely and you can feel like you are the person making it happen.
There are lots of people on the sn board at the same stage as you.

I may sound sorted but never ever forget that my ds2 is 14 now - I did the assessment process 10 years ago.

This time, when you have to keep banging on about all the negative stuff, is probably the worst. You have to try really hard to focus on that. This will end and then hopefully you will get some answers and some support.

Never forget you are doing an astonishing thing, a very brave thing. You are standing up for your son, being honest and strong and doing everything you need to to get him help.
You are doing fine. Crying is fine -shout and wail if you want, put your knickers on your head if it helps you feel better. But don't forget you are doing what you have to and it will get easier.

dietstartstmoz · 04/02/2011 14:37

Thanks Pag, although not sure about the knickers on my head! That would give the professionals something to talk about!! I'm feeling a bit better today, although have spent half the day on the phone and still trying to talk to parent partnership about stuff. I completely agree, and Pag you said some very wise words. Parents do not always know, you know your child and you accept them for who they are and then someone asks to have a word, and then you are left questionning everything about your child, your own views and parenting. It's awful, and I would not wish this on anyone. Thank goodness for mumsnet where we can come and get some opinions, I have found out more in the past 3 months from MN than from talking to any professional.

pagwatch · 04/02/2011 14:44
Grin ok. Maybe not the knickers on the head.

Glad you are feeling a bit better. You will get there...

dietstartstmoz · 04/02/2011 14:56

Yes, don't have much choice do we?...

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inspireddance · 06/02/2011 17:38

I understand your concerns but as someone who wasn't diagnosed with a learning disability till I was 22, I also understand the benefits of early diagnosis.

Assessments rarely give false positives or false negatives so there is no harm, if your DS school highlights issues in the future to go ahead and have the assessment done.

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