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Prepping for a pandemic....8

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wheresmymojo · 28/02/2020 21:54

8th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

OP posts:
NaturalBornWoman · 01/03/2020 08:41

Someone could make a mint from making crafting kits for the over 60s. Or cbeebies art mags etc. Or a v simple group Skype or WhatsApp grouo for older gen so they can avoid the loneliness.

Fucking hell! You do realise that the vast majority can't even retire until 67 these days? I'll be continuing my work thanks, luckily mostly from home, not pottering about doing crafts and worrying about getting bored and lonely.

Orchidflower1 · 01/03/2020 08:42

Thank you posters who told me about the over 60s advice.
My DM will pootle off to Tesco, come back and not wash her hands. It drives me crazy! She’s house proud is many ways ( hoovers and dusts way more than me ) but Imho lax on more important things like hand washing and use by dates.

I think it’s a generation thing. She brought her family up without handgel and baby wipes so she thinks some things aren’t needed.

AlohaMolly · 01/03/2020 08:44

Or even Skype exercise sessions!!

OneTimePrepper · 01/03/2020 08:57

When and where will todays numbers be released?

Mazarinegreen · 01/03/2020 08:59

Can anyone recommend a good accurate thermometer I can buy online to complete my medication stash?

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 09:00

The UK is a world leader in preparing for and managing diseases like #coronavirus.

Today, @MattHancock sets out an enhanced government approach to pandemic preparation.

Here's an outline of the measures we're putting in place 🔽 t.co/h6DrySmr95

AvocadoOwl · 01/03/2020 09:01

PHE release the daily count on Twitter at 2pm @OneTimePrepper. Until now new cases have been reported independently of that too though.

WorriedMam2020 · 01/03/2020 09:10

The cheap digital ones are fine for mouth/underarm. I got a Braun digital ear one on Amazon a while ago (just over £30) much easier for dc. I always read both ears and double check the reading as it can vary a bit but gives you a good idea and quicker than the digital ones.

I did have Tempadot ones but had poor results (falling off and having to read them so quickly as the dots faded so fucking fast, so don’t recommend those)

WorriedMam2020 · 01/03/2020 09:11

*Mazarine was replying to you (not sure how to reply properly yet :)

poshme · 01/03/2020 09:18

Article in times today has a list of what foods to buy to stock up on.

Tempted to write in the comments- you could've read this all on Mumsnet weeks ago!

EliK · 01/03/2020 09:20

This is where I get the 2pm updates
Scotland
www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-scottish-test-numbers/
UK
www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public
Not sure about Welsh/NI links.

Mazarinegreen · 01/03/2020 09:22

Thanks @WorriedMam2020 ! So much choice out there and I'm not sure where is the best place to take temperature for adults/older kids (ear/mouth/arm) for the most accurate results..think I need to look that up.

MyHairIsSoapy · 01/03/2020 09:24

We are in a county with a confirmed case I assume from a school ski trip. I have a weekly cleaner, I’m guessing it’s time to cancel her do you think? She knows it might happen and I’ve already apologised to her and she understands.

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 09:24

Mazarine mouth is most accurate for adults and older kids. The younger ones struggle to keep it under their tongues though.

TreesSandSea · 01/03/2020 09:25

I can really recommend the thermometers that are ‘point and press’. So easy to take a temperature even when DCs are asleep. They also flash up to alter you if there is a fever there.

We have ‘green for go to school, or red for go to bed’

MyHairIsSoapy · 01/03/2020 09:26

Also kids baby food, the ellas kitchen type veg and fruit purées will be good food if you’re all ill to get some nutrients in. I am also sad about the effect in the environment my prepping is having, I was trying to avoid all single use plastic and now I’m stocking up on the stuff

YoursTunbridgeWells · 01/03/2020 09:29

@WorriedMam2020 I would call the hospital where you have the appointment and discuss your fears about going. It sounds like the clinic / department will have a lot of other worried parents too. Even if the team haven't thought about the risk to patients of travelling, it is something they will need to consider and advise their patients about.

I am starting to feel not prepped enough because others are prepping - articles in the Times, advice on what to buy makes me feel that shopping is going to be hard work going forward. Some preppers may have a year's stash or 6 months worth, I know I have a month's worth but beyond that I can't work out if it would stretch further.
If mainstream press are advising people to stockpile we are going to see imminent food shortages and I really really don't want to start using my stash until we are locked down.

Paperdollss · 01/03/2020 09:36

I have ordered a few extra items on my weekly shop, just some tins, pasta, crackers and tinned fruit and toiletries etc, I live payday to payday so not really able to spare a lot, I usually do a shop once a week but I feel better knowing I could definitely go a week, maybe 2 with interesting meals, with enough food in the house.
I think I’ll just continue to add a few extra items each week for the next few weeks and just see how things pan out.
Now to just get youngest DC to stop picking her nose Confused

BrieAndChilli · 01/03/2020 09:43

@avocadoincident I think you may be bearish to me, I’m in south Monmouthshire. Have you tried Waitrose in caldicot for the frozen Avocados? I’ve looked everywhere I chepstow and caldicot for hand gel

Flyingsouthwiththeswallows · 01/03/2020 09:49

For those asking about the comments re over 60’s on the WHO advice, it is on the attached link

www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---28-february-2020

Prepping for a pandemic....8
DesignedForLife · 01/03/2020 09:49

@Brieandchilli

I’m not far from you and found sanitizer in a local coop. V expensive as tiny pots, but good to go in a pocket. Trying to find a big tub too

Neome · 01/03/2020 09:51

I’ve had very little time to connect with thread 8 but good to skim read here and there -definitely makes me feel better! I only just managed to keep up with Dr John in the last couple of days. Apologies if the following has been discussed upthread.

I’d be really grateful for any recent thinking by thread members about schooling.

Several countries have widespread school closure ie not just where there’s a confirmed case. As far as I know that’s not currently the plan here.

At what point do you think school closure would be appropriate?

Would you request authorised absence if a child or parent/carer immunocompromised or in Covid risk group?

LizzyButton · 01/03/2020 09:52

Expect the unexpected.

If things go badly there will be an aspect that we haven't anticipated that will seem obvious in hingsight. It might be something like a staff canteen's worth of [insert occupation] that get hit that brings a service down.

My four maxims:

  1. Get a little more non-perishables in, but make sure older ones are consumed and not forgotten.
  1. Schedule checking media to limited times. There's life to be getting on with.
  1. Books. Read them. Great escapes.
  1. Stop touching my face. It's hard and I'm aware of it now. I can't stop though.
GorkyMcPorky · 01/03/2020 09:56

Staples have Purell available for delivery in a couple of weeks. I ordered some on Amazon ages ago but it's not looking like arriving.

Flyingsouthwiththeswallows · 01/03/2020 09:58

Rats...

Just had confirmation from Waitrose. A lot of items missing on my delivery this evening.

Really simple things like Oatcakes and fresh ginger + important things like Baileys.

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