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Selective termination of twin due to Down Syndrome

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DaisyPoppy23 · 16/09/2022 12:44

Not too sure why I’m messaging. Possibly to vent or maybe find people with similar experiences. I could do with some positivity!

I will try to keep this as brief as possible. We were over the moon to find out we were expecting twins (DCDA). We shared the news at about 17 weeks with friends and family and everyone was so excited! We felt blessed! Then, at our 20 week anomaly scan, a heart defect and query over a missing kidney was detected in one of the twins. We were referred to a fetal medicine unit and paediatric cardiologist. Fast forward a few weeks from there and we are told that one of the twin has a pelvic kidney (which isn’t too much of an issue) but also a severe heart defect called AVSD which would mean open heart surgery in the first year of the baby being born. We were then told that this defect meant there was a 50% chance of the baby being Down Syndrome. They sent us for a NIPT test straightaway which came back as highly likely for Down syndrome. We were then advised to have the amino to confirm that this was the case and to also check which twin had it. The amino results have come back to confirm Down Syndrome in the twin with the heart defect but the other twin’s results came back normal. We have decided to have the selective termination as we feel that raising a child with a severe disability isn’t right for our family. We already have a 15 month old and will of course have another new born. I appreciate this isn’t what everyone would do but we have to do what is right for us and our family. The predicament we are having is when to have the selective termination. We were told to wait until 32 weeks to give the healthy twin the best possible chance in case it triggers pre term labour. There is a 1% chance of this happening. I am terrified of waiting that long as I am so worried they will arrive early, as twins often can. I am also not a big person at all and I’m already struggling with carrying them both and running around after my 15 month old. If we terminate now and it does trigger pre term labour then there’s every chance that the healthy twin could be effected and have a severe disability because of being so premature. I am considering waiting until 30 weeks so there is more chance for the healthy twin. I feel absolutely terrified about this whole situation and so completely alone. My family don’t live near me and my partner works 4am until 8pm, 7 days a week. I am really struggling with holding it altogether for my 15 month old. To top it all off, she’s going through some awful sleep regression and I’m absolutely exhausted. I’m usually a patient and laid back person but I feel completely defeated and at my wits end. I honestly feel like I’ve got to the point of not being able to cope.
I wish someone would tell me what to do and that everything will be ok but I know that can’t happen. Any wise and positive words to get me out of this hole would be most appreciative. Also, perhaps any advice on the best time for the selective termination would be really useful. I don’t know if I’m in the best frame of mind to make such a decision. There just seems to be a risk whichever way we go forward. Help!

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theresnouseingrumpin · 16/09/2022 17:23

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myyellowcar · 16/09/2022 17:24

WoodlandMummy · 16/09/2022 16:14

OMG this thread is full of utter cunts! Keep your unsolicited and unwanted opinions to yourselves. Fucks sake, you’ve driven a woman in dire need of support away. Well done you bunch of odious pricks!

Amen to this, this thread is full of absolutely odious posters, the dregs of humanity

sponsabillaries · 16/09/2022 17:27

This is not usually a busy board. Do folk make a habit of trawling it to moralise at women considering their options or has it come up in Active?

goodytwo · 16/09/2022 17:27

One of the risks that I would put in there is maternal guilt after a termination (it's not terribly quantifiable and only you will know what you will cope with). It's not often talked about, but it can affect your mental health. For that reason, I would factor in an earlier termination but really, you need to be talking to the doctors about these risks. It's an awful position to be in. I don't think many of us would cope well with the decision. Given the abnormalities involved with the twin with defects, you need to have a clearer picture, as some defects don't support life after birth and unfortunately the baby would die anyway.

I genuinely wish you strength and wisdom.

countrypunk · 16/09/2022 17:27

@theresnouseingrumpin

Do you have any sense of empathy whatsoever for the woman going through this terrible experience? I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

People like you disgust me. You've brought absolutely nothing of value to this thread, you've just exposed your own ignorance and lack of compassion. I only hope the OP isn't still reading.

Fucking appalling.

MuchasSmoochas · 16/09/2022 17:27

Heart sore for you OP 💐. Apart from my best wishes I am concerned for you being alone. Is there someone you could stay with for a few days? I don’t want to assume what you are feeling, but I imagine you will be grieving and you will need support processing what is happening. Take care. And ignore the reckless posts.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 16/09/2022 17:29

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Oh fuck off

nancydroo · 16/09/2022 17:29

unicormb · 16/09/2022 15:43

No but I will spend the rest of my life raising my child @LobeliaBaggins and I have to read on here constantly about how he would be terminated by most people because they couldn't cope. They would.

I hear you

countrypunk · 16/09/2022 17:29

Oh and PS @theresnouseingrumpin - anyone who seriously uses 'ur' instead of 'you're' is a raging idiot.

Halli2020 · 16/09/2022 17:30

I had a medical termination at 21 weeks due to my first son not being incompatible with life and still grieve him now. I cant imagine what it would be like past 30 weeks. Sorry OP

nancydroo · 16/09/2022 17:30

sponsabillaries · 16/09/2022 17:27

This is not usually a busy board. Do folk make a habit of trawling it to moralise at women considering their options or has it come up in Active?

Active

theresnouseingrumpin · 16/09/2022 17:31

Blimey I'm getting abuse just for being honest? The world is crazy. I absolutely AM entitled to my opinion and to speak up. Freedom of speech etc

KweenieBeanz · 16/09/2022 17:31

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In the days before scans a child born with downs syndrome had a much reduced life expectancy compared today. It's not as simple as saying oh back then you'd have just had to do it. Lots of children born with DS were abandoned and ended up institutionalised. Contrary to previous posters on this thread there are not huge numbers of loving couples queuing up to adopt a baby with downs syndrome with significant health co-morbidities. Many children back then did not survive beyond infancy /childhood.
Now a baby born with Downs Syndrome may live decades, but could have very poor health during that relatively long life, and require huge amounts of care and supervision, with a massive impact both emotional and financial, on the rest of the family.
Don't judge until you have been in that position.

LocalHobo · 16/09/2022 17:31

Op if I was in your situation I would do what you are doing. Good luck. It’s a terrible cruel thing you are facing. I will be thinking of you. You are incredibly brave. Ignore some of the comments on here especially from those that do not have a disabled child. How dare you advise from your own perfect worlds.

Totally agree.

Halli2020 · 16/09/2022 17:31

@theresnouseingrumpin termination isn't terrible. Sometimes it prevents a lot of suffering. I had a medical termination at 21 weeks due to my son having no kidneys and no amniotic fluid so his lungs didn't develop, if he was born he would've suffocated... Am I a terrible person still?

gogohmm · 16/09/2022 17:32

My main concern would be can they guarantee to select the correct twin, and is there a possibility of loosing the healthy twin? Secondly what is the success rate of the surgery, is it just the one? As scary as major surgery is, a one time surgery is different to if it's likely to need multiple surgeries. I'm glad your medical team isn't pushing you either way but I would talk to parents with downs kids who have been through this surgery before committing, especially if it's not risk free

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 16/09/2022 17:33

theresnouseingrumpin · 16/09/2022 17:31

Blimey I'm getting abuse just for being honest? The world is crazy. I absolutely AM entitled to my opinion and to speak up. Freedom of speech etc

Freedom of speech is not free of consequence.

theresnouseingrumpin · 16/09/2022 17:33

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sponsabillaries · 16/09/2022 17:35

theresnouseingrumpin · 16/09/2022 17:31

Blimey I'm getting abuse just for being honest? The world is crazy. I absolutely AM entitled to my opinion and to speak up. Freedom of speech etc

No-one has told you you aren’t entitled to an opinion.

Some people have an opinion on your opinion. That’s free speech too, hun.

Echobelly · 16/09/2022 17:35

I'm so sorry OP. I'd probably have done the same in your position. Down's is such a gamble; I have known some wonderful and very capable and independent people with Down's but also some with serious illness, and high learning and behavioural challenge who need constant care - I know I would be profoundly ill-fitted as parent for the latter and wouldn't take the chance if I knew.

Bex268 · 16/09/2022 17:36

This sounds incredibly difficult 😢 I have no wise words at all tbh but I understand where you are coming from and how you are feeling x

ShaneTwane · 16/09/2022 17:37

Op i hope you're doing ok and can get real life support and help because unfortunately i think emotions run very high in these situations. We all know people with downs syndrome can live wonderful happy independent lives but unfortunately thats not a given. You already have made a difficult decision you obviously havent entered into lightly so please dont feel like you owe anyone an explanation.

Ask as much questions as possible for your medical team about what the process wil be and the effects on the other twin. Be as prepared as possible for all things that could happen during this time and maybe get counseling as soon as possible to help process it.

Halli2020 · 16/09/2022 17:37

@theresnouseingrumpin my son had a post mortem, his kidneys didn't function, his lungs were small and his stomach was in his chest. If he was born he would've been in pain and would've suffocated to death. OP is not killing her child she is thinking of options that will prevent her child from SUFFERING. so fuck off like another poster said. Thanks

countrypunk · 16/09/2022 17:37

@theresnouseingrumpin This isn't a thread for discussing the ethics of abortion. The OP has made her decision and specifically asked for support and advice about WHEN the best time to terminate would be. So your 'freedom of speech' argument is fucking nonsense.

Start your own thread if you want to talk about the rights and wrongs of abortion. Why you thought it was appropriate to come on here spouting insensitive, moronic horseshit is beyond me.

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