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Sorry I could not think of an original title

oh, and lottie, if you are lurking. i saw you dared to disagree with atilla! fab! she really bugs me! such a bloody know it all (or at least she thinks she does)!!

ooh i have missed the gossip- what did lottie say to attila? Lottie- enjoy your bed rest if at all possible- take it easy and as seaside says- we want those babies staying put for a little bit longer .

Seaside- big hugs back .

toomuch- sorry forgot to say hello . BTW I wouldnt trust that greedy if I were you... talks cobblers...

Off to see DS1 play football in a minute- he has been moved to upfront from the midfield as he is currently top goal scorer- and is a bit of a mean tackler. Looking forward to watching him in action! But he has told me to not cheer too loudly as I am apparently VERY embarrassing. Moi?

hi lottie- hope you get to go home soon- blimey a cleaner eh! Can we all move to swizterland please? Oh- do I have to have twins though ...

Just spent the last hour or so in the rain cheering on DS1. He scored the only goal for his team, ended 2-1 to the opposition .

3 months old today!

I have a rotten cold, and really can?t be bothered to do housework ? H is napping (so I only have 30 minutes anyway ? not enough time to do anything if you ask me )? it?s a horrible day here, raining non stop so we haven?t been able to go out ? boooo.

Iam, I express into a bottle, and then tip it into freezer bags that I got from boots, I think you can get ones that you put into the bottle and pump straight into it, but I just grabbed mine when I was in Boots.
I think you can pretty much eat what you like, not heard anything different. I have read that certain foods can make baby windy, but I think that could be an old wives tale. It makes sense what Honeyapple says about the taste, so if Herbie seems unaffected by the onions then keep going
With regards to alcohol, I think that if you are having 1 or 2 then it should be well out of your system ? I would also agree that getting trolleyed probably not a good idea

Seaside, was C grumpy when he was dribbling? I am wondering even more if it is teething as she is having some really grumpy moments - thanks for the tip about the plastic backed bibs, honestly, I can?t believe I didn?t think of that, I have been changing her non stop because of the drool ? this will save my washing machine, and my sanity!!
Sorry to hear about the doldrums you are in, I reckon it is the weather, the nights drawing in. Good luck with the tax return, it?s a nightmare isn?t it ? although dh has managed to get money back the last few times.
I forbid you to utter that word perimenopause again!! I seem to recall you were on the brink of that before you conceive C!!!! If my memory serves you went to see someone who did tests and they more or less told you that your egg reserve was on the red! I am sure it is frustrating with everyone around you announcing number 2, but promise me you will stop driving yourself crazy with all this worry.
(Sorry, I know I sound bossy and patronising, but I just care )

Honeyapple, did you shout loud and embarrass ds? ? pleased to hear that he scored, but a shame his team lost. He did his bit, shame about his defenders/goalkeeper! It?s good that they can still play with proper scorelines, I remember seeing on the news fairly recently about a school that have stopped have scores because they don?t want the losing team to get upset. I thought that was ridiculous personally, how else do children learn how to lose gracefully? And I did chuckle because you know the kids know what the score is.

Lottie, hope you are home soon. It?ll be fab to get some help around the house huh! Take care of yourself, not long to go now ? I was thinking about you the other day, I was reading a book and there was a whole section devoted to Multiples. Tizzie Hall, she does routines, if you feel the need to check her out.

Rainbowdays, Thinking of you if you are lurking.

Better go? I can hear some stirring.

OK I am not here lurking. I am just an illusion.... ok!!!!

I need to stay away from mn it is too much of an addiction, but miss you all!!!!!

So before I go on a mn rationing again a couple of things:

iam only a tiny percentage of the alcohol gets through to the breastmilk it is less than 5%, so if you have a glass of wine at 12% then less than 0.6% is in the breast milk, so no real effect on the baby even if you have loads of alcohol. Also it depends on how soon after drinking that you feed but for a one - off night out, don't worry about it.

You can express and the babysitter cup/bottle feed. Or you can do like I did and take the baby with me. Even in a blaring disco/band, the baby sleeps though in the car seat/buggy between feeds for me. I have found that when the baby is small, I end up worrying about how the babysitter is managing with feeding the baby and leaving the party sooner, than if I take the baby with me. Obviously the older children are left with babysitter!

Food that you eat will get into the breastmilk, but it is only a problem if your baby has a difficulty with it. Many people when breastfeeding find onions and coffee are key problems with breastfeeding, leading to a more colicy reaction or horrible nappies. But babies are individuals, and not all babies are affect in the same way. So my personal opinion is that normal foods/drinks should be eaten, but if the baby is colicy or has sleep issues then the mums diet should be looked at to see if there is something she is eating that is causing a problem. But if you are not having problems then just enjoy eating what you can! Since you are having some colicy type evening cries, it might be worth you cutting out onion from your diet for at least 3 days and seeing if it makes a difference, if no different, then carryon with eating them! I know several mums from my breastfeeding support group who could not have onions or pickles in their diet without baby reacting with colic-type discomfort.

ready yep, as others have already said, I agree that you can have whatever milk you want, as unless H is milk intolerant, it does not matter really what fat content milk you have.

lottie - I too am slightly jealous of the cleaner, but not jealous of your bedrest.

toomuch - hi, welcome and nice to meet you.

seaside - don't be using the Menopause word, and don't forget that some people say that you actally can have some more fertile time during perimenopause. It is well known that older women often concieve twins because they release more than one egg later in age....... !!!!!! Also you are younger than me are you not, so if you are there, I have no chance!!!!!

everyone!!!! - I did come back briefly to say I actually got good news this week, in that my unemployed husband now has a job . So it is one less thing to be worrying about. Amazing in these recessionary times as others are losing their jobs, my dh and I have found jobs. Big relieve for us both. I will be lurking for a while more, but hope to be back to full posting rate again soon.

Hello everyone - thanks for welcoming me

rainbow not sure why you're rationing MN or what your background is but hope you're doing ok - was just about to chip in with my breastfeeding advice on drinking and eating onions but reckon you pretty much nailed it - good advice!

seaside how old are you?? what was your strange AF which makes you think you're in perimenopause? How long since you had your last baby? Sorry this sounds really nosy doesn't it.. feel free to ignore.. just wanted to try and reassure you..

ready I think that during a 30 min nap the most you can possibly do is drink a cup of tea and mn - no housework!! p.s. well done on the getting out when DD was 7 weeks - very impressed!

honey smiled at the thought of your DS scoring a goal - can't wait to watch my DS playing footie! He's only just started walking so a while yet

londonlottie not sure what your situation is but good luck on the bedrest and hope you're ok.

on the teething issue - my DS didn't get his first tooth till 10 months and yet everyone was convinced that everything was a sign that a tooth was about to appear from about 3 months onwards.. you just never know do you. Apparently the drooling can just be that their salivary glands start working properly at about 3ish months - of course it could also be a tooth about to appear - that's the joy of parenting isn't it - you never have a ruddy clue!

oooo loving being back on a thread - nice to talk to you girls!

p.s. sorry if I forgot anyone... {toomuch scampers back to double check the thread so as not to offend anyone on her first real post}

x

I'm rubbish... sorry greedy and iamamummy - hello!!!

greedy think I remember you from years ago on the TTC number one thread.. hello

Thanks for my stern talking to Ready [sheepish emoticon]! Can't believe H is 3 months already Yes C always gets grumpy around teething and also his normally good sleep patterns take a battering and then takes hard work to get back again. I did find that when he was that little chamomilla worked quite well (the homeopathic pillules) and also the teething granules.

honey - well done DS1 - my DH dreams of being on the sidelines watching C play footie he is a pretty good kicker and thrower of a ball already so I am hoping he will be like your DS (and Ready's DH )

rainbow - so glad you are still here even if it is rationed! Great news about you DH's job (I feel for you as I have a terminally underemployed DH!) Hope it helps ease your stress.

lottie - hope you are doing OK and wow about the cleaner! I do have 2 friends who live in Switzerland and they are always complimentary about the way life functions there and how efficient it is (though sometimes it seems it can be a bit too much!)

toomuch - not nosey at all - although you will prob regret you asked after the following tmi! I am 36 (37 in Dec) and normally that is by no way heading to the big M but my mum and grandma (maternal) both began the first stages in their late 30's (my mum was 37) and this coupled with a hideous ovarian reserve test I had done in Feb 07 which Ready correctly remembers put my ovary tank firmly in the red!! However - I did go on to conceive DS1 2 months after that test? so do not put too much store by it even though it is always in the back of my mind iykwim. My last AF and indeed entire cycle was just quite weird - late ov for me (CD15/16 - am usually a CD11-13 gal) but good news was my luteal phase stayed the same - 13 days so had a 29 day cycle (again quite long for me). But I did have strange brown spotting on and off for 7 days before AF and got a really strong + on an opk on CD27 (dont ask me why I tested - just a sucker for inexplicable symptoms to torture myself with!) Also I had none of my usual pre AF symptoms - no sore (.)(.) or usual killer CD1 back pain. Also AF was erratic - 2 heavy days, then light then it stopped altogether on CD4 then came back all watery on CD5 and 6?? See told you - wayyyy too much info

Anyway I have decided (this week anyway) not to get hyped up about TTC at least until next year. Although having said that I have been reading a book today called the Fertility Diet - anyone else read it? It is quite fascinating and although it agrees with temping and FAM it also cites lots of interesting info like a study that showed 60% of women release an egg more than once in a cycle?!

sorry that was such a load of online verbal diarrhea.

greedy - think I was just feeling super sensitive - but you are right everyone just asks or insinuates. Most days I am quite fine with the possibility of not having another DC (I am an only so it has been quite positive for me) but then other times I can't imagine not being pg again or C not having a bro or sis? Like TTC the first time it is more the not knowing that gets me? LOL about your remembering I got to 16dpo Maybe if I ever get a BFP again I will be like Ready and not tell you all until I have had my 12 week scan

I have to say whenever I have those rough days they pass much more quickly than when I was TTC first time. Sometime I look at Cassius and just cannot believe he is mine, I just feel so lucky

Hi all

I'm here but at my parents so only on phone so can't catch up properly.

Firstly. Toomuch. Welcome!

Oh ooh ooh. Just got text to say my friend on way to hosp. She is 10days overdue with her 3rd and her waters just went. So she's rushing to hospital! This is friend who I've always been pg with and I'm really pleased to see I'm really excited for her but not at all jealous!!! Shame I'm so far from her though for a wk. Won't get newborn cuddles! But suppose a wk is still pretty tiny!!

Ready. That 12 wks has gone quickly! Agree. Don't do housework. Rest!!!

Rainbow. Thinking of you. Good news bout dh.

Seaside. Don't suppose there is any chance Might be pg? Don't u get postive opk with pg too? May explain wierd af too? Sorry if that insensitive but thought worth asking.

Honey. Well done ds! Good on you watching him in rain too!

Iam. Rainbow said it all!! She so should be a bf counsellor!!! Hope u enjoy your night out.

Greedy. How u? How new premises going?

Chooster. Hope u well and enjoying Spain.

Lottie. Hope all well with you three and you resting at home now. Switzerland does sound better than here!

Scorpio and babylove. Hope u both ok.

Who else? Ah bodders! Hope u well and happy! And busy!!!

Right. Can't easily check this so sorry for typos. Not easy in phone! We doing ok. Spending half term with my parents which will take us to November and nearly 8 weeks in. Only about 3 weeks and then it us sooner til we see dh than when we last saw him if that makes sense!!!!

Take care all
xxx

Hi all - back from a very sunny Spain!! The holiday was fab and it all went really really well. The flights were just fine (even though slightly unsociable hours!) and the weather was perfect most of the time (about 26 degrees or so) we were there, just one over-cast day but it was still warm enough for some sandcastle building on the beach. . All in all a great week and so nice to spend some time with the DS's. I shared a double bed with DS2 as well and it was so nice to wake up next to him and have cuddles in the night - he's much nicer to cuddle than DH (wink]. We saw MrsMc and family a few times and she is doing really well, little Aaliyah is very cute - 19 weeks now I think!

So how have you all been???

Sorry to hear that you've been in hospital lottie - are you out now? I hope so. How many weeks are you now? I thought it was late twenties? Good news on the cleaner!? Are you enjoying life in Switzerland or it is a bit of a blur with everything thats going on?

Welcome toomuchtime!!! Hope you do stick around, as Greedy says we've had a few new faces that have given in after a few days .

How are things for you rainbow - cold any better? Great news about DH's job! . That really takes the pressure off - is he happy with it? And whats going on with yours, I think you had a 6 month contract?

Good on DS1 Honey!!!! He sounds like a little superstar... well done on your new found student status - you'll have to start eating pot noodles and watching 'This Morning' every day .

Greedy - How is yout sister managing with her LO? Its hard when they grumble and cry a lot isn't it. Did Marcy settle in the end. Like Seaside, I was shy as a kid, but came out of my shell more on a one-to-one basis once I started making good friends. I'm sure she will settle soon as fine her own way of expressing herself. It was only when I started university that I started being more confident and vocal in big groups of people.

Ready - It sounds like things are starting to settle with H? The 12 week mark can be a real milestone and even though it seems like forever when you are in the middle of if, it really is no time at all. I hope that more and more evening feeds are nice and relaxed til the day you look back and realise she's been fine for a while. One thing that someone recommeneded to me about the fussing was a beaded necklace so that the baby has something to focus on / play with while facing into you and feeding. I have to say it didn't really wotk with Theo but I think thats because he started fussing at a much later stage (about 11 months or so I think). But something like that may be worth a go.

Iam - How is herbie? Is he still a wee bit unsettled? About the going out thing, you had some great advice here. I think it was rainbow who said that for a one off its really not an issue. I got married when DS1 was 3 months old and had a few drinks that day / night. I just expressed before hand but even then I still fed him in the night when he needed it. I wasn't too drunk but I'd certainly had a fair few.

Oops, late for a meeting... I'll be back soon

too much - WELCOME!

lottie - i hope them twins stay put a little longer for you, hows the bed rest going? its so tempting to get up and do 'a little bit' isnt it? rest up! result on the cleaner though

fettle - hope you get a little rest whilst at your parents.

chooster - glad you had a lovely break! how are you feeling now?

rainbow - congrats on dhs job! hope you come back properly soon.

hellos to everyone else! i am just grabbing 5, my 2 little monsters have been asleep for the last half hour so i have had a chance to do some housework and get the house looking a little habitable again.

had herbie weighed this morning, 9lb15oz...so thats 14oz gain in 14 days! i am going to start expressing again in the evenings so that dp can feed him (i am going to attempt using a bottle with him again)
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i had a long chat with dp the other night saying how much better the experience has been second time around and how i have bonded with ds2 as i felt after ds1 birth i really had to work to bond with him. dp then told me that he doesnt feel the same about ds2 as with ds1. when ds1 was born he said he had an immediate rush of love and he was all he could think about but this time around he says he actually forgets that he has him and is dissapointed he doesnt feel the same. is this normal?

better go....crying baby

MORNING

iam- not sure what to say about your DP- although i am sure that many men feel similarly- but perhaps not brave enough to say? Maybe as Herbie gets bigger and is less dependant on you, he will start to feel a closer bond.

I'm doing OK thanks Iamamummy - I'm still bleeding a bit so thats a constant reminder of whats just happened and there are days that I feel sadness about whats happened, but there are definately other days when I feel upbeat and am so so so grateful for my wonderful boys. Its really made me appreciate what I've got so I've tried to focus on that quite a lot instead of thinking of what might have been.... although I can't help but have moments of seeing newborns and thinking that that could have been me soon.

Not sure about DH... I think honey is right that it will change once Herbie is more responsive. I think with the first there is that rush of excitement and love as its all so new, but second time round there is that slight feeling of deja vue... not so much for women because we go through the whole physical thing and we are so close with the baby, but I can see how some of the shine disappears for men. It will definately come though - he will equally adore his boys once he can start seeing Herbie's little personality.

Can I ask some advice.... When we were away, me and Theo shared a bed - not sure if I mentioned this before... Anyway it was lovely and everything but since we've got back he has been a nightmare getting to bed! Normally he is so good and just goes to bed awake quite happily but the last 2 days he has SCREAMED when he's put in there to the point that he's been sick both nights. I know he's not sick because of a bug, its bcause he is that distraught. Then tonight I left him again and he undid his sleeping back adn jumped out of his cot! . He's never done that before.... So now I'm stuck - I was always happy to keep him in a cot as he seemed so happy and at least I knew he was safe, but do you think i need to change it into a toddler bed now? Ot is that just going to make a short term problem worse?

hi chooster- I'm just waiting for Dex to climb out of his cot! The other day he was similarly screaming and I went in and found him straddling the top of the bars... he is a bit of a pain going to bed too. Definitley prefers my bed at the moment. I think just try to really reinforce the good bedtime routine that you had before and after a couple of nights he will probably go back to being happy going to bed. My other two were definitely in a bed by 2.5yrs (DD more like 22mths). When Dex starts climbing out then I will put him in a bed- my newphew broke his arm climbing (then falling) out of his cot.

hey choosterchops! i reckon maybe you should try a bed. he is probably being funny going to bed cos he has got used to sleeping with you and doesnt want to go back to sleeping on his own, so why not try something completely different. i think i would in your shoes. i think marcy will love a bed cos she loves pretending to be asleep on ellis and kiki's beds but i want to keep her in a cot till after new year cos we have lots of visiting to do and its easier with her in a cot. also, i dont thinnk i want to admit that she isnt a baby anymore! potty training and a big bed seem like the only big steps left until she really isnt a baby anymore.
glad you had a fab holiday by the way. and did you tell mrs aout your mc in the end? what do you think you will do about contaception now? i guess persona isn't as good as you thought with your dh's supersperm!

we have been in wales for the past 4 days and its been lovely. a nice break, and for once the kids were ALL angels (normally marcy is a real pain in the arse) in the car all the way there for 5 hours and all the way back! unheard of!

seaside - think i might have said before, but i found ttc much harder once i alredy had a child, cos you actually KNOW what you are yearning for, so i really feel for you. BUT, dont forget the AVERAGE ttc time is 9 months, and you have only been trying for a couple and i dont want to hear any of this nonsense that it wont happen for you again.......it is far too early to be thinking things like that.........keep positive!

lottie - hope you got some good news about going home.

honey - well done to your super scorer! how old is ds1 now? is he nearing the dreaded teens or have i got that all wrong?

better go, got eastenders to watch on iplayer!

oh yes chooster, just to add..... kiki was a real climber and i remember putting her down for a nap at lunchtime and going and making my lunch and then her walking into the kitchen to see me! she had undone her sleeping bag and climbed out of her cot and come downstairs! i moved her into a bed after that cos i worried about her. strangely marcy can climb in, but not out! wierdo that she is!!!

Mmm, I think we'll have to go for turning the cot into a bed - in fact I've got DH on the case as we speak!. It has to happen soon anyway and like you've both said a total change may knock the problem on the head (or make it worse - yikes!!!). Part of me doesn't want him to grow up either Greedy so thats maybe why I've never pushed it - I still feel he's my baby - max was in a bed long before this age . But I really dont want him hurting himself and I'm sure my heart would have been in my mouth if I'd seen him climb out last night. Sure enough he started screaming again at 11.30pm last night and I rushed through before he could try to make a break for it. He seemed wide awake but as soon as I put him in my bed he was out for the count. He such a little bugger, his eating has gone to pot too.... Where has my sweet natured little baby gone who would eat anything and sleep on command?

Greedy - no I didn't tell Mrsmc in the end. we didn't get that much time away from husbands and kids and it just wasn't the right time.

Any good halloween plans anyone?

Hey everyone

chooster. Totally agree about wanting to keep your ickle boys babies for as long as possible. Toby is staying in a cot until he leaves home!! . I think theo obviously just a bit out of sorts after his holiday and is probably picking up on unusual moods from mummy too an realises that u need extra cuddles from him. I'm sure he'll be back to his normal self soon. But agree that big boy bed may be just what he needs.

My little baby is very poorly at mo. Don't know whether I should take him to dr about his immune system as he has cold after cold with hardly any breaks. I thought it was normal for babies but apparently not. Feeling a but isolated up here as mum lives in country and I've not got a car and everyone else is happy to stay indoors all day but I need to get out with children. Need my dh!!!

Iam. Dh also didn't bond with toby in the same way as with dd. I took longer to really bond with dd but with toby it was instant and repricrocated so dh never had a look in in the early days! When toby became more interesting and dh could do more with him they bonded well. I'd still say that dd is his little girl but he still loves toby!

Right better go check on poor coughing sleeping toby.

Having family reunion on halloween hence why we up t my parents this week. Been v hectic so far so haven't managed to message u bout meeting up chooster but don't think we are going to get the chance with toby so poorly. Sorry. Maybe next time.

Xxx

Anyway

fettle- how is toby? Dex has a horrible cough at the moment too.

Happy halloween to all!

hello all. me me me post coming up......spent the day in hospital with my little ellis yesterday. he has been complaining of hip pain for about 3 weeks and then suddenly on thur night he couldn't walk on it. i told him to go to bed and we would see what it was like in the morning, but it was the same. i was worried about something called perthes disease so took him to a&e. anyway, after a day of x-rays and blood tests (bless him) they ruled that out and said they think he has reactive arthritis in his hip. just told us to give NSAIDs and bed rest for a week.

so my problem is, he is practically back to normal today already! i cant keep him still! so should i keep him off school for a week like they said or not? how can i let him run around here but then keep him off school?

sorry fettle petal and honey, how are your poorly boys?

greedy- dont think you can make ellis stay still if he doesnt want to. DD once started limping when she was a toddler and GP said it was prob due to a virus of some sort... maybe a similar thing? If he is feeling ok, then I think you just have to go with that.

Dex ok- driving me loony today though- climbing on everything, throwing stuff about (including a tin of DD's full of little beads onto kitchen floor). I have just resorted to driving him around in the car to get him to have a nap . Got to go make some halloween cakes now (mainly as we have loads of eggs at the moment!)

Hi greedy. Toby had a night in hospital last December as he suddenly refused to walk on one leg and his knee was very sore. He had been ill for a wk beforehand. We were kept in overnight but again it was diagnosed as reactive arthritis. We weren't told to keep him still just watch and give painkillers as necessary. He woke up in morning much improved and by lunchtime his leg was better but it dud a further wk before he was back in top form again. So I would say see how he is tom and play it by ear. I'm sure he'd love one day off with you and marcy in Monday.

He is much better now but still got really bad cough. Hoping journey home tom is easy but with gales and floods forecast I'm not looking forward to it!

Hope dex getting better. Ive had odd days like that with toby when I've resorted to car drives to force him to sleep.

Xxx

Sorry to hear there are some poorly boys at the moment. But also glad to hear they are on the mend. I definately have days like that with Theo Honey! He's so funny at the moment at times, but also such a handful at other times - he's definately becoming very opiniated and more confident. Hope he settles a bit more soon.

Hope Ellis has a better day tomorrow - Max had a spell of not walking but his actually had a fractured leg . It was just a hairline fracture but enough to cause him discomfort. Trying to keep him resting and still was fairly tricky!

Right, going to head to bed nice and early as my darling little DS2 is still a bloody nightmare at night - he's better at going to bed (in his big boys bed!!!) but only if I stay there until he nodded off. But he'll be up again in a few hours, I can pretty much guarantee it