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I don't think they are a personal issue really, its a general social obligation upon everyone to do what they can to eradicate dangerous diseases.

Its a bit like deciding you're not going to insure your car because you are willing to take the risk of an accident. But you couldn't do this becasue you have to consider the impact upon others, not just yourself.

mrsb you're totally echoing my sentiments and thoughts on this matter. It's the ones who don't do it that pose the risk to everyone else - bloody selfish too.

neddie not sure that I should take up smoking again just to lose weight although I know that it is an appetite suppressant. Would rather slave away at changing my eating habits than go down the cancer route

iris good luck getting signed off. You have a genuine reason to do so unlike half the people who are claiming (if not more). Sorry, I've turned into the bloody Daily Mail overnight

Afternoon all. Girls both in bed at the same time - huzzah!

neddie LOVING the F plan diet! Oh and the thought of going riding - bliss. Can't believe how expensive it is for a quick trot round for an hour

iris are you playing nicely with the other children on the other threads ??!!!

tee hats off to you for having the family round so quickly. Who is going to be around on day 3-4? Only that this was when I had my complete and utter and total hormonal meltdown!!!! I was a bonkers, shrieking harpie! Best get a stick with a flag - wave it in their faces if you don't want them near

So much cooler today - phew

It'll be my mum JJ. She's used to it!! Of course, she'll also been really jet lagged.

mrsb excellent comparison. I do think anyone who doesn't vaccinate is putting the rest of the world at risk. And I think that is selfish. Especially as it is based on bad science. Two things I hate: Bad Science and Book Burning. ::steps off of soapbox::

neddie hmmm, an excuse to take up smoking agin, after baby is born...nahh!

jj - I'm sure you know I was playing nicely and I can do a very good impression of a mute when needs be however... nope, I wont be goaded

jw - thanks for the comments but I'm not getting signed off as in benefits - just hoping to be signed off as "consultant led care" for pg so I can consider a HB with their support (I have no wish to merely exercise my apparent "right" for HB if it's against professional advice )

Hahah I saw your restraint on the thread iris I thought you bowed out beautifully! I sometimes see threads where folk carry on bickering like a Jack Russell tugging at a trouser leg! Hope all goes well with the consultant and you get signed off.

Oh no - Verity is awake - again. This child really doesn't 'do' sleep

Well I'm a grumpy hormonal heavily-pregnant woman, and a woolly liberal human-rights obsessed lefty to boot, so will just add that sometimes the benefit to society in general has to take precedence over the whim of the individual. Public vaccination benefits the recipient AND our whole society and enforcing it is more like insisting that all children receive an education than enforcing sterilisation or other medical procedures. I like mrsb's car insurance analogy.

Tee, if your DH wants baby bonding time and it's his parents who are encroaching, can't he have a Word with them? .
JJ's point about baby blues around 3-4 days is a good one - I was a complete mentalist when my milk was coming in.

iris hope your consultant gives you a clean bill of health for HB

Bonzo glad your sister's DP is home and recovering. Lung sounds painful though

Neddie lol @ your squirrel nutkin dream . That sounds like a good way of getting it out of your system (dreaming about it I mean, not actually doing it... )

My hair is now Done, so this baby is more than welcome to arrive any time from tomorrow (DH not back till midnight tonight) but is so happy wiggling about in there that I don't think it's imminent. V low in the pelvis though - I have to walk bent back which makes the bump look even more ludicrous.

oh PS Bonzo yes it was David Lloyd we went to and the outdoor pool was gorgeous (as were all the facilities) but it felt a bit Footballers' Wives to me - some women seemed to just float from waxing to tanning to highlights to gym to pool all day every day, with their DC in the creche. And they'd sit on those stools drying their hair wearing nowt but a G-string! . Not my scene really, so if I join another one it'll be municipal and smelly and feature many people who are fatter and less glamorous than I

Yes, I think when the milk comes in then the hormones that are jangling around suddenly go bonkers. I was in tears...floods of them. Inbetween shouting at everyone hehe. Fabulous company I was.

I'm off to read what iris has been up to. Have you been mummy baiting again? Naughty girl

afternoon all O is asleep I have decided to try and get a little more routine into his life so we are trying formal naps and not too much rocking and AMAZINGLY he has just settled him self down excuse me while I faint.

MMR, I'm a big fan of immunisations and that is all I will say. Except to add that this whole MMR ballsup is a good illustration of why medics should do medicine and scientists should do research. You need a completely different set of skills to plan research than to care for people.

Tee Oooo next Thursday how exciting, I love the name Zoe it was at the top of my list.

LOL@ ladies wearing G-strings while drying their hair on odd stools - Oh, I've come over all inferior just thinking about it. No - I like a liberal splattering of cellulite and bingo wings in any gym I go to! I'm much happier with my hoodie up, on the street, pounding along with no one really watching.

mrsB I too enjoyed the car insurance analogy. I hear an awful lot of people disputing that these are serious illnesses in the first place. Again I think that's because we've all become complacent as we never experience them any more. It's a bit like voting. It infuriates me that democracy is precious and hangs by a fine thread. There are people who literally die for such a right, yet so many folk here can't be arsed. It's because they've never had the right taken away from them. You see I probably would think about voting being enforced! climbs off soapbox for someone else to have a rant

Oh lordy - that milk coming in - does things to a girl! Like I say - big flag on a stick with something apt like "p*ss off I'm in a vile mood" on it is a good idea. Or "where's my cuppa you lazy, good for nothing SOB" You can add your own appropriate phrases

Just had a look at that thread.

hedgepig agree with the medics v scientists comment.

Well we're off to hospital for K's check now and then straight to GP's for jabs. Do not pass go, do not collect £200. I have a magnum of Calpol ready and waiting for her

I think I have a prune craving. I can't stop drinking it or eating them. It's says on the bottle 'makes you smile on the inside'. I think that's a euphemism for 'makes you trump a lot and go to the loo tons'.

No, I'm not anywhere near pregnant!

ermintrude I loved it when I was hormonal when pregnant. I actually had an excuse for being a grumpy bitch.

JJ If I'd sat on one of those stools wearing only a G-string it would look like I was impaled upon a chrome stick .

JW I love prunes and they do keep you regular. For Christmas I made prune compote with port to have with fig ice cream and made far too much compote then finished it almost single-handedly on Boxing Day.

hmm, do you think these two comments could be linked?

arf @ ermintrude

ermintrude be careful of prunes- I wasn't going to mention this but 2 days ago I was a bit bunged up (not something I'm used to being a non-red meat eater) anyhoo I found some chopped prunes in the cupboard. I must have had one too many as I woke up at 2 am with severe cramping. Luckily the noises coming from my belly were like the beginnings of a volcanic eruption so I knew it wasn't early labour (though God only knows what those poor little mites in there thought about it.
Let's say the bottom fell out of my world (or the other way around)......I was quite exhausted by it all.

LOL moment of the week. Did you see Sascha Baron Cohen as Bruno the flying angel fashionista land on an unsuspecting Eminem? The look of horror and disgust on his face (which was really close to Bruno's thong clad bottom) brilliant!

Oh ermintrude do I remember those women poncing about! I snook into teh private cubicles and shut the door so I didn't have their tiny thonged arses in my face while I was trying to get changed whilst not showing an ounce of flesh. Loooooooved that pool though and I was on student rate so it was a bearable price. That's all over now. Sob. Love the idea of a Chrome Ermintrude lollypop! Oh and that compote sounds YUM! Recipe?

Neddie - oops to the prunes ... glad they worked though.

MRM I still think people ned the freedom to chose - however heavy handed we may be in persuading them to have the vaccination.
Some people have very delicate immune systems and many allergies and complications (e.g. some are carried in egg albumen and people can have fatal anaphalactic shock if this is introduced intravenously). You can't lump eveyone medically into the same basket.
My friend's older sister had a horrendous reaction to her vaccinations when a baby and was severely mentally and physically disabled. My friend didn't have a vaccine in her life because of this - and I can't see how you could have made her parents choose otherwise.
[steps off soapbox]

I promised the Prune Story from my grandad ages ago but didn't have time ... so here goes...

My 90+ year old grandad is a little bit eccentric - brought up in a childrens home then went to sea so not a normal upbringing and no real positive role-models. Plus English is his second language so his phraseology is odd sometimes. But we DO love him.
Anyway - he was on some medication and was moaning on and on and on and on to my mum about constipation. Every day he's go into great detail about how bad ... symptoms ... aches pains etc.

Finally my mum couldn't take it any longer and went to the chemist and bought him a bottle of finest Prune Juice (which we think he necked in one go ... never one for moderation ....)

Anyway .... next day my mum got a phone call from Grandad ....

"oh Ann ... it is marvelous .... I have a BUCKET-FULL for you!!!"

(Mum recoils in horror remembering the prune juice)

Grandad continues ...
"Yes I have been in the garden and picked the gooseberries and I have a whole bucketful!!"

(and the prune juice worked as well )

Oh dear. Just parped my way through hospital appointment Anyway, K is fine. No concerns at all. Back in 3 months.

Can fully understand the prune stories bonzo and neddie. I've had 2 glasses today...plus some dried prunes....and the xenical No wonder I'm windy.

Off for jabs now so back laters.

lol at prune stories...I over indulged on the 'fresh' (semi dried) version of them myself one glorious working holiday in the south of France where the villages have whole shops dedicated to the wonders of that particular fruit ...dried, semi dried, pickled in brandy and dipped in plain chocolate...hmm... not so glorious trying to screach my way through Tosca in the evenings without embarrassing myself.

Tee...can you hear that?....silence!... enjoy! Seriously, thrilled you have your date and hopefully lots of help when you get home.
Oh the joys of days 3-4! I went to bed a B cup and woke feeing like a surgeon has inserted DD implants like rugby balls from incisions in my armpits! I was wonderful company and the only person who could cope with me was my Mum.

JW glad K is better today and the hosp appt confirmed that she is fine..hope the jabs dont affect her unduly.

got to work now ..back later i hope

Thanks floria dear. K has a little cry but I shoved some chocolate bribery in her mouth and she was fine. Hehe@ prune singing! OOOH I bet that was interesting.

The hospital have said she's a bit on the light side so I'm to stuff her with calorie laden foods. If only I could do the same

We're back for the MMR and another booster (didn't know about the latter) in a months time. One in each thigh Nurse was telling me she's had a little boy in today having his MMR early as there had been a measles outbreak at his nursery......

jw fab to hear K is all OK - as we expected eh! Hope jabs weren't too traumatic.

Prunes...gawd you're a strange lot I'm more a dried apricot woman myself.

ermintrude LOL@ the stool disappearing!

neddie didn't see the Sacha baron Cohen thing - pity as I think he's a genius and VERY fanciable Yes, you can add him to my list of "I SO would"

Got the paediatrician here tomorrow so DP is doing half a day so he can collect Verity and whisk her away for a few hours. Feeling quite apprehensive about it - yet I kind of want to hear what she thinks - if that makes sense. I have been noticing some very odd behaviour - but then again I know that toddlers are most perculiar creatures anyway. What I would like to know is how the heck has Iris learned to count to 30.???? Seriously - she's just rattled it off for no apparent reason. It's things like that which just seem bloody odd - yet she still can't ask for anything - not even shout "juice" or "biscuit" when she wants something. MMmmmmm, another cup of tea me thinks....oh and lose my mind In the Night Garden. I think I'll go for a relaxing ride on the Pinky Ponk tonight......WHAH!!

JJ it must be on youtube- I nearly wet myself laughing. Just google Bruno and Eminem it's really worth it! I don't know how to link otherwise I would.

Oh yeah JJ its all over the net. Personally, I didn't think it was all the funny, but I usual don't find that kind of thing amusing. And apparently the entire thing was staged.

JW glad K's okay. Poor thing getting a jab in both legs in a month.

So the coworker, who has given notice (I think I told you all that) has sent me an email basically commanding me to bring LO to the office before she leaves. Let's think about this...her last day is 19th June. I am having a CS on 11th June. Who here thinks I will be up for going to the office a week after my section? Anyone? Is that a hand in the back? No. I have basically, and nicely as possible, told her to piss off.

Neddie ta for prune advice; fear not, I have my addiction under control! I need a LOT of fibre so half a tin of prunes with some Greek yog is a v g breakfast for me. Sounds like JW might have overdone it slightly though . Glad K is ok - amazing what indignities choccie can make up for.

I saw the SBC clip - there was a link from the BBC website of all places. I was just every so casually checking out if that nice young R Patterson had won anything and came upon the brilliant Bruno trapeze clip . Do you think Eminem was in on it at all? V mardybum reaction if not.

Bonzo lol @ your grandad! The prune compote recipe is in Delia's Christmas and if you haven't got that how can you call yourself a woman? I'll copy it out and post it.

JJ I hope the appt goes well tomorrow. Counting to 30 is impressive! My friend's DS (who has autism) could recite entire books off by heart at 2 but never used language for communication until he was about 5. Now he's nearly 7 and enjoying school he's getting much better - the therapists and docs have been really helpful in suggesting ways for the family and teachers to encourage his comms skills, to noticeable effect. (although is not very clued up socially: his teacher asked him a question and he said, 'You should ask someone else; I'm sure they'll know.' ). His older bro has a much less severe dx - knew the names of every dinosaur at 18 months and didn't speak a lot but now speaks completely normally - and they are both bright boys... All of which is a long-winded way of saying that even if the specialist does come up with a suspected or actual dx it can start off a very positive process.

When my milk came in DD went completely madferit and I was in a real state - when DH tried to take her off me to give us both a break I scratched him in the face . He was more careful to keep his distance 2nd time around, but I was more careful too so it was nowhere near as bad.

I don't think Eminem was in on it at all! If he was he needed an Oscar! I found it funny because of the irony that Eminem takes the piss out of all these celebs and obviously doesn't like it when he's the object of ridicule. I think it was just that one shot in the papers of his face in Bruno's bum crack. I need something to laugh at in my predicament!!

Tee maybe you could bring the baby in and get it to puke on her!