The "4 weeks and bricking it" lounge.

[Thandeka]

Hello,
Me and Wasabipeanut thought a specific thread for people in our boat may be nice- as lovely as the knicker checkers thread is and great support but a lot of the lovely knicker checkers are past the evil first trimester and for those of us that have just found out we are pregnant again post MC we thought it might be nice for us to have a sub lounge to huddle in and support each other in these very early stages where in a way we are still in denial about this pregnancy!

We don't have to post due dates or anything scary like that, just more a place to wobble with people going through it at same time.

So I will be only 4 weeks tommorrow and 40 days ago tommorrow I had an MMC at 10 weeks but emby died at 6/7 weeks. So am going to be petrified basically for at least the next 8 weeks and would love some handholding- especially as this time I am not telling anybody except DH and best mate. Parents need not know.

Jardins - yuk yuk yuk about the cold (think I cam coming down with one too so we can snotty together)- but in a way as legend has it the worse you feel the more likely it is to stick (just trying to make you feel better for feeling so grim- but also have to remind the other ladies worried about their symptoms that this is a legend- no definitive proof one way or the other!)
Nargh sometimes this thread is hard to write because you try and reassure some at the expense of others- or perhaps that's just me- seriously guys I am the queen of putting foot in it so please if anyone gets upset or offended by anything I write just tell me!

Liskey- Welcome and yaya for first midwives appointment.

mummytopebs- Jealously is an entirely valid emotion. My post MC counsellor talked me through the incredibly evil thoughts I was having and we agreed that feeling those things are entirely valid and understandable and the fact I recognised that it was bad to feel those things meant I wasn't a sociopath so thats good (! !)- but I shouldn't beat myself too much for having those thoughts- recognise have had those thoughts- recognise they are wrong but also recognise that it is an entirely reasonable reaction for me to have in the circumstances and beating myself up about it is counterproductive.

Georgimama yaya for ikea I love the place and am somewhat adicted to it. I am sooo looking forward to hopefully one day buying all the kit for the nursery in there.

So a little update on me. I broke out the big guns of the CB digital this morning and almsot instantly came up with Pregnant 3+ on it (am 5weeks 3days today) so that has made me feel better but on the other hand I hardly got any sleep as have managed to convince self am having an ectopic pregnancy in left hand side fallopian tube. The evidence? Have had an unexplained pain in left hand side for last 6months- had scans investigations treatment with antibiotics etc but nothing stopped it. Last pregnancy I had to have an early scan because of it to check it wasn't ectopic (it wasn't obv) so this is a "usual" pain for me. However this time it seems to have changed- it seems to be constant instead of sporadic- it feels like a stitch and has a dragging sensation. (and the burrowing pains that felt in the "right" place have stopped to be replaced by this). The pains are so much so that when lying on my right hand side last night- the only way I could be comfy was to sleep with pillow between my legs to even out my hips and stop the dragging sensation. Another reason I am thinking it could possibly be ectopic is that obviously I had major womb trauma with the MMC 50days ago and perhaps because the bits were still healing the fertilised egg stayed in the fallopian tube. Anyhow not entirely sure what I should do about it as am very aware I am a complete hypochondriac and this thing has been investigated so many times and come to nothing, also I don't want a scan or anything so early (as part of me irrationally wonders if the scan had anything to do with my MMC as literally it was fine at the scan and about 2/3 days later it must have stopped growing) So I sort of want to see what happens. Obviously if pain gets worse I will get it checked but am thinking should wait it out- but then again if it is ectopic and I wait it out then I can't have methroxate or whatever it is called and try and save the tube- I would probably lose the tube- and what scares me most about that is that I only really ovulate on my left hand side (all scans an investigations showed that- so definite for last 6 months anyhow)- ovary on right hand side is a lazy bugger! So if it is then I may lose any chance of getting pregnant again. Oh balls I am clearly worrying way way way too much about this so perhaps I should just pop to a and e today to find out once and for all.

Oh my that was a long sleep deprived post! Sorry!

Jardins that is because I was typing my massive long post at same time as yours! Snap! You will regret saying that! tee hee!

Bad news guys- I just started spotting- that combined with the pain means that me and DH are making a sunday trip to A&E this morning.
Sunday was the day I had the MMC.

Will post if I can later.

Thandeka - have everything crossed for you both x

Thandeka, got everything crossed for you. Hopefully it is just a bit of spotting and will pass. One of my friends bleed on and off throughout both her successful pregnancies (having had a MMC at about 7 weeks and an ERPC previously).

I took a CB on Wednesday to confirm the + result on the cheapo test (as DH didn't trust it) and it said 1-2 weeks post conception. I was 5+3 then but I didn't really think of that as a problem. Is it? I've never used a CB digital before that so I didn't really think about it. Something else to worry about!

(Maybe I should do another one, although 4 tests in a week may be slightly obsessive)

Thandeka - everything crossed for you.

hello iv been invited to join this thread! im nearly 5 weeks...just noticed tiny amounts of blood in discharge this morning, is this implantation spotting?? dont know what stage this happens...

Thandeka everything crossed for you, keep us posted xx

Georgimama i am keeping well away from the cb digital test now, have done one but darent do another in case it doesnt come up 3+

Jardins i have got really bad diahorrea today and can honestly say i prefer the nauseua - does anyone know if diahorrea is normal in first trimester cos this is worrying me that it might mean impending mc x

Mummytopebs I saw the midwife on Friday who asked if I'd had constipation or diarrhoea yet - as either is extremely common with the hormones from pregnancy (as they affect soft tissue mucsle apparently) - yes I've had both lucky aren't I?

Winjy just seen your message - I think implanatation blleding usually occurs 10-14 days after conception - so that could work if your only at nearly 5 weeks.

Liskey i am glad to hear that i was beginning to worry a bit. I seem to be one or the other to either bunged up or completly not!! I have come to bed now cos i just feel exhausted x

hello everyone!

welcome to Winjy, Liskey, Georgimama and Carrielou ... and anyone else I may have missed.

Thandeka I hope everything is okay? I am thinking about you.

Jardins & mummytopebs I hope your nausea isn't getting too much.

Joy I've still got very limited symptoms, occasional dizziness and I think I also may have some extremely mild nausea but nothing consistent.

Well my news is that I had my first scan today and we saw a heartbeat!! we are only at about 6 weeks and a few days. It's amazing what they can pick up on the scans. We have another early scan booked in for about 2.5 weeks time when hopefully we will be 9 weeks. My DH has told me he is going to put me in a chill bubble until then to protect me from stressing. If only it were that easy. It's at times like this I could do with a HUGE glass of wine.

Although it's a huge relief to see a heartbeat the worry is still there for me as we we saw a heart beat before at 8 weeks and we still mc. Oh well, am still trying to work on the optimism, for today we are happy.

Happy bump brilliant on the heart beat x I am worrying now cos i had a scan last monday at exactly 6 weeks and they couldnt see the fetal pole never mind the heartbeat, they told me that was normal but wish i had seen a heart beat, do you think a couple of days can make a difference to what you see?

hi e1 hope ur all well 2day thendeka hope everythin goes ok at a&e ive got my scan 2mrw at 2pm still bleeding well not bleeding brown when i wipe soon c 2mrw im literally past worring anymore if its gonna happ theres not much i can do about it goodluck e1 else and will fill u in 2mrw fingers crossed xxx

mowmi forgot 2 ask how u r wen is ur next scan?

oh mummytopebs - I had really prepared myself for not seeing a heartbeat as everything I read seemed to indicate that it was highly unlikely that you see anything this early. My obgyn used a different scan machine than she had used for my other pregnancies (failed and successful) so I can only assume she brought out the "big guns" so to speak. She also would only book me back in to use this specific ultrasound machine as well. She told me that the "heartbeat" is currently about as big as a grain of sand. I am suspect that the couple of days is the difference for you, also she told me she wasn't able to "date" me as it was too small. She would do the dating at the next scan.

I also asked to be put on progesterone and baby aspirin. I don't know if either of those will work but I am trying everything. I have had 2 mc's and I am pushing on a bit.

pinky78 good luck for tomorrow

Hi everyone

I'm currently 11 weeks pregnant with hopefully my first baby.

I had a mmc in Feb, I didn't have any pain it just showed up at my 12 week scan that the baby had stopped growing at approx 8 weeks.
This time I had an early scan at 6 weeks as I had a sharp pain in my lower tummy but the scan showed the baby has a heart beat so I was reassured for a while For the last few days I have had pain, it's not like a cramp more like a sharp pain behind my pelvic bone. I am booked in for my 12 week scan on Tuesday 16th. Has anyone else had pain like this? Not sure if it's normal or if I should ring the midwife, any help would be really really appreciated.

Thanks and wishing you all wonderfully sucessful pregnancies

Julia85 xx

its so reassuring to talk to people in the same boat as me!! im soooo tired all the time, feel like im sleeping all the time. not much nausea but very sore and painful boobs. had hormone tests done and results show that they're not quite doubling got to go for more tomorrow morning but dont know whether i should bother?? have a scan booked for 16th june should i just wait and see what the scan picks up or does anyone think i should go for hormone tests?? they seem to be causing me uneccessary worry and im not sure they mean a lot to be totally honest (unless my hormone levels stop completely but then i wouldnt have symptoms surely)

Oh Thandeka get back to us asap. I'm really thinking about you.

HappyBump I am SO pleased for you. One step at the time, ey? It's a very positive sign. Cool!! Climb into your chill bubble. I know what you mean about the glass of wine. Although I am off alcohol, coffee, and even tea I feel all this holding off the good things (sex too? ) doesn't help us RELAX much, does it? Thoughts on this would be appreciated....

Dear Mummytopebs you know I was told around the 6 week mark one or two days made a big difference. I'm sure you've got nothing to worry about. I've read loads of posts from ladies fretting at what they couldn' see at 6 weeks who then saw everything they needed to see a few days later. (God my English is appalling today.) I'm afraid we'll have to agree to differ about this nausea v. diarrohea situation. Anything, in my opinion, is more bearable than nausea. Having said that I've always been a wimp with stomach bugs, etc. Not my thing! Good job Liskey had reassured us on the diarrohea front.

Hello to everybody else . I think we are all probably thinking about Thandeka who has become something of a thread mascot....

Pinky78 Fingers crossed for tomorrow.

thandeka please let us know ur ok...just read your thread...everything is crossed for you and baby dust being sent your way

anyone got any advice on whether or not i should go for hormone tests tomorrow?

Hello guys,
Am finally back from A&E and very touched to read all your messages. They take suspected ectopics very seriously - was on 30min obs and a saline drip, nil by mouth and everything (was starving and sooo bored!). My fanjo has been prodded and poked and all signs of bleeding have completely disappeared- literally this morning I did the "tampon test" and there was a streak of brown mucus (cue panic and rushing to a&e)but since then nothing- so that's good right? Oh and cervix was closed and only thing she commented on was my womb was a tiny bit enlarged but given that until recently I had an egg sac of 10 weeks size in there that is understandable.

Had lots of blood tests etc. and so far the results are:
HCG: 7000- which is very high and great- booked in again on tuesday to have them taken again, (they did say at those levels they would expect to see a fetal pole in the scan......)
Abdominal scan- gestational sac in right place and no sign of ectopic (despite this weird pain).
Transvaginal scan- Somewhat cold registrar (who scanned me for MMC) is all like well I can see the gestational sac- so I say well thats good isn't it- she replies but it could be a psuedo sac (bitch!) but eventually after massive probing she thinks she managed to find a quote "query" fetal pole of 4mm (which at this stage is still bigger than the one I had before I think- will have to check my notes) she isn't entirely sure it was fetal pole but I have decided to take it that it was. No heartbeat yet but am not worried about that just yet as is too early. Booked in for a rescan in 10 days so that will tell us much more (although am still demanding my 8week 5days one too- as 6week something scans can still fail as I learnt to my cost last time). They have me down as Suspected ectopic/threatened miscarriage but I think that is more so I keep being seen rather than them actually thinking that.

Am signed off work for the time being and I intend to string this out for as long as possible! (Until 12 weeks would be nice!- I plan on telling colleagues it is complications from miscarriage which in a way is true) At the minute am strangely calm I think it may be okay(and if it isn't I intend to cross that bridge when I come to it). At least they are pretty sure it is not an ectopic and at least the miniscule bleeding seems to have stopped.

So the fat lady definitely hasn't sung!

Am so glad I have this thread to keep me sane- they were talking about keeping me in overnight and I was trying to work out how I would give DH my passwords so he could post on here how I am to update you all! Luckily it didn't come to that- but from my hospital bed I did try and get on mumsnet to post an update but it wouldn't let me on and DH's iphone didnt have enough battery.

Brilliant news thandenka at least all is not lost, in fact i think that sounds very positive especially with the hcg levels being so high x x

thandeka thats amazing news, really pleased for you...think we''ll all benefit when we are in sight of the 12 week mark but im sure there'll be a 2nd trimester thread of worry started by one of us!! still wondering what to do about tomorrow...

Dear Thandeka if I wasn't feeling so nauseous I would be shedding a tear or two of relief for you. Well done for getting through the day.

Just for info when I was expecting my DS six years ago I was a full-time Director of Studies in Paris. I just couldn't hack my job from early pregnancy onwards. I was so tired and sick and all that public transport... My wonderful doctor stopped me at 5 months and I ended up sleeping nearly every DAY until my son was born (oh I got married inbetween ). I guess the message I'm trying to get across here is that your baby is more important than anything ..... even work! Do what you have to do my dear to help this pregnancy through.

Have just logged on for first time this weekend and been catching up.

First of all, thandeka I am so glad it's not looking like an ectopic. Your poor thing, you must have been terrified! You must keep us posted...

Jardins, sorry you are feeling so crappy and sick. Feeling nauseous sucks.

Hello to everyone else and welcome to new girls.

Just to pick up on an earlier point, I have to say, ladies, that I have had an, ahem, "upset tummy" every morning for the past week. Hadn't thought anything of it, but if it's something I can add to my rather flimsy list of pg symptoms, then hurrah! Thanks for the reassurance about symptoms btw.

I'm feeling rather wobbly this evening. I just can't fathom that I could have a baby i my arms come January/February... Like many of us on this thread, I feel that it seems an almost impossible dream. The thought of this little tiny bean makes me so happy... I don't want to lose it. I keep wondering, what if it's already too late and I just don't know yet?

Sorry to be so self-indulgent! Really, I have no reason to think I'm anything other than 6w 4d pregnant. But I'm sure you all share that sense of looming dread. Sigh.

Courage, comrades!