The "4 weeks and bricking it" lounge.

[Thandeka]

Hello,
Me and Wasabipeanut thought a specific thread for people in our boat may be nice- as lovely as the knicker checkers thread is and great support but a lot of the lovely knicker checkers are past the evil first trimester and for those of us that have just found out we are pregnant again post MC we thought it might be nice for us to have a sub lounge to huddle in and support each other in these very early stages where in a way we are still in denial about this pregnancy!

We don't have to post due dates or anything scary like that, just more a place to wobble with people going through it at same time.

So I will be only 4 weeks tommorrow and 40 days ago tommorrow I had an MMC at 10 weeks but emby died at 6/7 weeks. So am going to be petrified basically for at least the next 8 weeks and would love some handholding- especially as this time I am not telling anybody except DH and best mate. Parents need not know.

Hi Barbie1 and welcome! Happybump is in Dubai too and am sure she will be along to say hello shortly.

Did they not do a transvaginal scan on you? Which is what you really need in early pregnancy rather than transabdominal although a transabdominal scan should possibly have been able to see a gestational sac - IF your HCG levels were high enough- did they take your beta HCG? If they are over 7000 you should be able to see a sac and fetal pole (I had a transabdominal at 5 weeks and could see the sac but not the fetal pole- needed the Transvaginal scan for that). However HCG does rise very differently in different women so please don't panic just yet its still very early days and for lots of women there is nothing really to see at 5weeks.

However the pain worries me- have they completely ruled out ectopic? I was monitored very carefully when they thought I had a suespected ectopic and again I really don't want to cause panic but if they can't see anything in the uterus it could be because its too small/early but it also could be because the embryo is growing elsewhere and this is potentially lifethreatening so please please please badger your doctor for more tests especially you beta HCG to check it is going up as it should (In successful pregnancies it should double about every 3 days in 85% of sucessful pregnancies- 15% of women have HCG that don't follow the pattern and still have succesful pregnancies so odd HCG levels in isolation isnt a cause for panic either).

Sorry should add am not a medical professional but I teach child devlopment and conception and pregnancy are kind of my specialist areas but am no substitute for qualified medical advice so please ignore my ramblings and go badger the doc!
Look after yourself.
xxx

wow thankyou thandeka for taking your time in writing such a long post

Im having blood test results some time today...sat around waiting.

The lady who scanned me wasnt english and didnt say a work, however due to having previous scans (and lots of them) im sure i saw a sac. The doctor told me there wouldnt be anything else other than that too see so itsnt too worried. I guess there was a sac because she ruled out ectopic?

I havent had regular periods since my last mc, in fact i didnt have anything for the first 250 plus days after so its really difficult to pinpoint when i might of ovualted. My last period (one hour of spotting) was on the 6th may...im sure i didnt ovulate until day 18/19 puttting me at a little over 4 weeks...very faint bfp on the 6th july, getting stronger each day. By the monday it was visable even to my dh! So im holding on to the hope its still too early for tummy scan. Stupidly i turned down a t.v scan as last time i was told that it was a risk in early preg

I'll be back once i get the blood test and hopefully someone will be along with backache to reassure me!

hi ladies just a quick post 2 let u all know im thinking of u welcome newcomers will post properly later hope all is well in r little bubble ure right about it bein quite over weekend thandeka no ones been on hope e1s ok maybe just have a life lol take care xxxxx

Hi hope you don't mind if I join you.
I a whole 4 weeks today, got my BFP yesterday.

Had an early miscarriage back in March so I am very apprehensive of getting too excited.

I long for the days of when I had my first DC, I was so ignorant of problems back then and was very laid back and breezy. Ah ignorance is definately bliss

Hope everyone and their beans are good today

morning everyone congrats mynameis i got my bfp this time last monday (HUGELY chuffed) fingers crossed for you Hiya barbie1 - i wouldnt worry too much about backache, i have had this in my last three pregs and have had 3 happy healthy babies i think unless you have alot of pain you could perhaps assume you may have one of those 'backackey' pregnancies!?? Hope everyone's okay, who has scans coming up?

blood test say 6500 plus something couldnt make out the figure but is 6500 good right?????
The doctor is being over careful due to me not knowing when i ovulate she says im in the region of 4 weeks and something, which makes me think im right in thinking i didnt ovulate til day 18 at the very least. She assures me there wouldnt be anything to see on a tummy scan at this time and the back pain is too high to be the baby.....i have to go back in a week for repeat bloods. If they are ok then i think ill ask for a t.v scan around the 30th of this month before i fly back to the uk for two weeks.....

Hi Barbie1- that all sounds great! Sorry in your original post you had said there was nothing to see so didn't realise you had seen the sac- if the sac is there and in the right place unlikely to be ectopic. Your levels sound great for the stage you are at and until they are over 7000 you are unlikely to see a fetal pole (I sound like the expert but this is only going on what I was told at A&E last week so don't want to be a con merchant!). Fingers crossed they go up normally next week (although you could probably push them to do repeat bloods in three days if it would put your mind at rest a bit.)
and good luck with your next scan.
Be very careful when flying - it is probably not linked in the slightest but I flew Emirates to Dubai at 7weeks and then onto Thailand and when we got back three weeks later I discovered I had had an MMC where emby probably died day we flew out. Again I don't want to panic you at all and most likely it wasn't linked (My rational head knows absolutely it wasnt and the emby just wasn't going to make it anyhow no matter what I did or didnt do- but my irrational head does blame the flight) and anyhow loads of women do fly in early pregnancy and are fine (but sometimes they say if you have a history of MC then maybe think carefully about it) -make sure you tell the airline and all the way through demand extra support- i know this bit is irrational of me- but those metal detectors you have to go through panicked me even though DH who is an engineer and knows things said it was fine- so next time I would refuse to go through and make them hand scan me! Again nargh sorry I don't mean to panic you with my posts and please remember these are based on my own experiences and are not indicative of facts!

Congrats mynameis and welcome!

Hi to all.
xxx

Hi Barbie1. Sorry can you please completely ignore my previous post with the bit about the flying. Been thinking about it and am being my typically annoying opinionated self with no facts to back it up- (and as a scientist originally that just won't do!). I'm sorry I shouldn't have posted that before. Nothing you do or don't do is going to affect the outcome of your bean- that has already pretty much been decided the second the egg fertilised. And fingers firmly crossed for a sucessful outcome for all of us this time.
So please accept my apologies for causing another thing to worry about and just ignore me in future!
xxx

Hi girls,
How are we all feeling today? I am 7 weeks today and am a little more optimistic just because I had a huge dizzy spell/near blackout yesterday morning! DS slept obligingly late so we were much later with breakfast than usual and I think my blood sugar dropped so low that I nearly went. I used to be prone to fainting when I was younger (really embarrassing ? always used to happen at gigs if I was too hot) and it seems that the problem has resurrected itself in this pregnancy. Strangely, when pg with DS it never troubled me, apart from right at the end. Just goes to show they are all different I guess.

Barbielovesken I had to laugh at your DH?s comment! This sartorial no womans land is difficult isn?t it? All my trousers are getting waaaaaay to snug for my liking but I am not bringing my maternity gear down from the loft until I hit that 12 week mark!

Pinky how are you today? Your weekend sounded pretty crazy,. It still sounds like there is hope for you and your bean. I pray (in a non denominational sort of way) that it hangs on in there.

Jardins Your post was lovely ? thank you. You are right you know and that attitude of ?well, why should it happen to me?? was one I had in my 1st pregnancy. I knew it could of course but why would it? How are you feeling this week?

Mummytopebs GOOD LUCK for today. I will be lurking tonight for good news.

Barbie Welcome and congratulations! I?m glad you test results came back good . Not sure about the back pain. I get it if I stand up for a while but I think that is because the ligaments and joints all soften in early pregnancy and therefore you are more likely to suffer back pain if you have to stand up for long periods of time.

munameis welcome and congratulations to you too! I?m sorry to hear of your mc in March. The first few weeks are so difficult when you have suffered a loss and that?s why we are all here! You?ll find loads of support and laughs here.

Gotta go, DS just woken from nap.

hi e1 wasabi thank you 4 asking im not good really in pain clotting so not 2 good but expected it go bk wed but i know its not gonna be good news as any1 heard from winjy she hasnt been on 4 while.actually theres a few not been on is there mowmi i know i had probs getting on on fri wouldnt let me get into mumsnet wonder if other ppl r having probs anyway mumbling now goodluck e1 who has scans this week thandeka ur thurs arnt u?and i think winjy 2mrw any1 else ? sorry if missed any1 xxx

Good evening. I'm 8 weeks today (by my calculations) and I have felt like a real lethargic wibbler. My husband, who works away from home (until we all move to Tours in 3 weeks) is only home from Saturday evening to Monday evening. It is so wonderful when he is here: everything becomes easier, more fun, and it is so wonderful not to be solely responsible for the children when I feel barely able at times of being responsible for myself After a wonderful Sunday when we all did stuff together and had friends round for dinner I have felt all droopy today maybe due to lack of sleep (I am getting up 3 times a night to pee) and mostly because my DH was leaving again. I felt as if I had a surge of hormones this afternoon which turned me into a nervous wreck. Do some of you feel overwhelmed by pregnancy? Scared sometimes? Have any of you felt such a surge in hormones, like you were stepping up to the next level? I also felt lots of little cramps today. I was all panicky and tearful and wondering how I was going to get through another busy week.

I'm so sorry to be wittering on about me. I really hope everybody is happy and bouncy!!!!!

Hey Ladies - sorry my computer is broken at home (dog has chewed the cable!!) so I can only get sneaky moments at work!!
Pinky - Have everything crossed for you.
No real update on me - booked another private scan for Wednesday (Will be 8+1) so scared they'll say it's stopped growing, no longer hb etc....
Hope everyone else is good - will catch up soon.

Evening people well i have had my scan and everything was fine, saw the sack and the blur of emby and the flickering of heartbeat - yey. I feel like i can relax a teeny tiny bit now as i didnt get to this stage in the last 2 mc

Yay!!! GREAT news mummytopebs!!!! well done you!!

Hurrah for mummytopebs!

Welcome back to mowmi and fingers crossed for scan on wednesday.

Cyber wave at everyone else as am afraid i lack enregy to type more and corrie is on!

Hurrah mummytopebs thats fantastic.

I can't believe I feel queasy today! Had hardly any sleep last night so hoping thats why I feel under par. I ALWAYS get grim morning sickness.

Guess its a good sign though

mummytopebs congrats hun u can relax a bit now hun good luck 2 e1 having scans 2day big hugs xxxxx

As I am finally coming to a point of having an answer, I thought I would come and say farewell for now. I have had serial blood tests showing a decrease in hcg from 1024 to 660 in a week, it is going much more slowly than it should do, but is now clear that I am miscarrying. I have been very low over the last few days but finally coming to terms with it, and the cloud seems to be lifting. It is my third miscarriage this year and has hit me harder than the others, but I am at least no longer in limbo. So I will be leaving this thread now, thank you for the support and care, and I hope that your stories end with babies in arms.

Oh rainbowdays so sorry. Hopefully we will see you on here soon with a happier story. It is really difficult when they can't give you a definite answer. Big hugs ((((())))) xx

rainbowdays - am so sorry. Nothing I can do or say to help other than thinking of you. You are very brave.

Hi everyone.

Sorry to hear your news rainbow, take it easy and wish you luck for the future.

I am back from my french holiday and had a great time (if not a little strange not drinking!).

All was well until yesterday afternoon when i noticed some brown spotting(very very small amount). So I went in for a scan this morning. They saw a yolk and sac but no heartbeat yet. Booked in for repeat scan in two weeks. Man it is going to be the longest two weeks ever. Stick little bee stick!

How is everyone else?

Rainbow days very sad news hope you bear up ok and have some good news soon x x

Lovely monster how far on are you i had a scan at 6 weeks and they could only see sac and nothing else, and that ws with an internal scan to

Yes I am only 6 weeks so just trying to stay positive and wait.....

Hey, no real news from me. Just popping in a quick post before I have a snooze. Hopefully DS will have a good long sleep. I am counting down until my scan tomorrow morning ? not long to wait now.

Rainbow I am so sorry to hear your news. It seems especially cruel when it is a long process. I went through something similar myself back in January so I have a pretty good idea of how you may feel. Take care of yourself and I hope to see some happy news from you sometime soon x

Pinky sorry also to hear you have been in pain. I hope your scan tomorrow gives you some more conclusive ideas of what is going on so that you can start to recover from this x

Jardins yeah I know what you mean about being overwhelmed. I think that was partly the cause of my little meltdown last Friday. I have days where I feel like I am going to drown in a hormone surge as I am so tired and so crabby. Annoyingly it always seems to be days when I am at home with DS rather than when he is at nursery or DH is home. It must be difficult for you with your DH being away so much.

Mowmi good luck with your scan tomorrow.

mummytopebs That is brilliant news on your scan. So, how long do you think you will be able to relax for?

Lovelymonster Glad you had a good holiday but obviously not to hear about the spotting. It was prob nothing especially as such a weeny amount. How far along will you be in 2 weeks? It seems harsh to make you wait for a full fortnight.

Right, I have just got to snooze. Please wish me happy, healthy vibes for my scan tomorrow.

Later ladies x

hello everyone, sorry i havent been on, iv been stuck in limbo too and had some answers today but sadly they werent the ones i was after...in two weeks nothing has appeared in the sac, and it has grown but not as much as they'd like so they're giving me another week and if nothing is there then il have to have a termination if i dont miscarry on my own...im so gutted...been feeling really low today, got so excited that i was going to have a baby and its all been taken away from me...i feel for u rainbow hope ur ok....and well done to all of you hanging on to ur beans better than me!! i really hope u are all ok and wish u best of luck for jan/feb when babies are due...im sorry to bring such doom and gloom to this thread