The "4 weeks and bricking it" lounge.

[Thandeka]

Hello,
Me and Wasabipeanut thought a specific thread for people in our boat may be nice- as lovely as the knicker checkers thread is and great support but a lot of the lovely knicker checkers are past the evil first trimester and for those of us that have just found out we are pregnant again post MC we thought it might be nice for us to have a sub lounge to huddle in and support each other in these very early stages where in a way we are still in denial about this pregnancy!

We don't have to post due dates or anything scary like that, just more a place to wobble with people going through it at same time.

So I will be only 4 weeks tommorrow and 40 days ago tommorrow I had an MMC at 10 weeks but emby died at 6/7 weeks. So am going to be petrified basically for at least the next 8 weeks and would love some handholding- especially as this time I am not telling anybody except DH and best mate. Parents need not know.

Oh shit Joy we cross posted.

Good luck x

Joy hope you are ok. Wishing you all the luck in the world and hope it turns out ok.

Jardins - I love Normandy, lots of friends there and we got married there in April. DH is French but from Burgundy. We live in Picardy between CDG and Beauvais, not far from Chantilly. I love France but do miss my friends and family support. DH moved here in January and I followed just before the wedding in April. So it's been a hectic here with moving homes, jobs, getting married and now a lovely unexpected surprise or pregnancy.

I'm off the see the doctor in a bit. Only had the blood test this morning and they said results would be available tomorrow evening. So not sure what the doctor is going to say or do. Have no more discharge. I'm much calmer and feel faintly (only very very faintly) nauseous today. It could just be that I'm tired due to travelling and having a wobbly moment last night when I called DH from the airport to say that I was on my way and he announced that he had three friends drop in unexpectedly for supper. I howled at him for not understanding the need to just be at home with him. He hadn't understood at all that I was quite worried. Men! Sometimes they are so insenstive. Although he did tell me later that he had been so excited about me coming home that he had gone to the market and bought fresh fish and lots of fruit and veg as he wanted to cook me a healthy supper.

morning ladies joyhope your ok praying 4 u xx hows everyone else thanks 4 all ur concerns winjysorry i didnt get bk yesterday i really felt like shit still having bad pregnancy symptoms will find out 2mrw exactly wots happening hopefully put an end 2 it either way and how r u?i know u aint got scan til tues but how r u feeling? hope ur ok rainbowdays thanks for putting up the link i had a mosey round it b4 although it says misdiagnosed mc there wasnt 2 many happy stories on it wasabihow r u getting on?and barbieloveskenhow r u? sorry if ive missed any1 it gets alot lol oh thandekakeep knitting hun we need u giving us good vibes xxxx

joy everything (even my eyes) are crossed for you...please let us know how u get on.

hey pinky im ok, felt really sick yesterday, and bean still hanging on, just brown discharge no blood and not heavy so just hoping its implantation or something and that he'll be there waving at me on ultrasound screen on tues, or she! how are u?

rainbow thinking of you

to everyone else having sickness i hope ur all ok, just think of the positive side at least ur hormones are working! like thandeka and her discharge envy, i now have vomit envy!! think some of us have major issues on here!!

no news with me really...just plodding along until tues, there's not a lot more i can do...doc has signed me off work so im just enjoying the time off. im joing thandeka on the healthy breakfast...im currently supping an innocent smoothie mmm mmm.

much love and baby dust to u all xxxx

good 2 c ur ok winjy been thinking about u and praying that ur little bean is ok im sure ull b fine got good vibes 4 u xxx

Oh my God, Joy I'm really thinking about you. Lots of positive thoughts and hugs.

Thandeka et al, thank you for reassuring me about stitches in side. Now I'm onto another worry; having felt non-stop nauseous for the last..... I don't know how many days things seem to be shifting again. Yesterday evening as I was preparing my DC's supper the usual ms was building up; yep, dinner is a chore. I managed to eat something - frommage frais with sugar seems to work for me in those dodgy stomach moments - and I survived supper. I was in bed by 9pm and then spent the rest of the night amazed that I wasn't feeling sick as usual. Of course I didn't enjoy it as I was flipping into the worrying about miscarriage camp. This morning I felt very sensitive to food and a little nauseous but it was much more bearable than the past few days. Isn't terrible that one cannot savour those moments of feeling more normal instead of stressing about it all being over. Today I've even managed to eat bread which I couldn't stomach for the past few days. I know I've had the odd night off over the past few weeks but I'm paranoid. Has this happened to anybody else .

I'm sorry this is all about me, me, me. As usual I absolutely LOVE having everybody's news. Keep posting girls!!!

ps I've eating for England and France all in one today! I'm starving!

Unfortunately I just found out a friend of mine and DH's died in the night- DH was closer to her than I was but still is very upsetting- she had a fit that lead to a heart attack. She was one of the most full of life people I know.

So things are sad and gloomy in the Thandeka household today.

Thandeka I am so sorry to read your sad news How has your DH taken it?

Jardins Ok, this is what I tell myself when I turn into a crazy woman over varying symptoms. Hormone levels don't rise the same amount all the time. You may get a huge rush on a Monday then it levels a bit on Tuesday and Wednesday, back on Thursday etc. This would explain why nausea and energy levels vary so much.

Pinky thank you for asking about me. I am ok I think although it will be a long 2 weeks until my scan. Eating like a horse as it seems to keep nausea at bay. You are being really brave. What time is your appt tomorrow?

DH is gutted especially as they shared the same birthday (as well as another friend) so all three of them would have joint parties. Just check her FB and her last status update was "It's the end of the world". How true!

Had a little cry and now am okay as like I said I didn't know her as well as DH but when I did see her I always got on very well with her (and nicked all her fags - as I am a "non" smoker except when I have a drink!).

Will make sure I am looking after DH tonight but he has decided to go out as he planned.

In other news I have just eaten a whole pizza to myself- wasn't sure I could manage it but I needed it and has helped get rid of the hunger/nausea cycle for the time being which is an improvement- probably most I have eaten in one sitting for the last two weeks! Wasabipeanut I love your advice to Jardins and that is what I am also going to be telling myself too! I have accupuncture at 4.30 so am looking forward to that.

thandeka sorry u and ur dh have had sad news makes u put things into perspective u never know the time big hugs 2 u both wasabi ty 4 ur kind words ill c how brave i am 2mrw lol im lucky my appt at 9.00am so i dont have 2 wait around all day so this time 2mrw i will know just hope its not another 1 of them were there unsure just want it over with so i can move on.joy not bk yet i take it hope shes ok keep checking 4 her.xxxxx

Yup I keep checking back for Joy too. Hope she is okay.
x

Eh, where is Joy?

Hello ladies,

So, I think everything is OK (bangs ferociously on wood)! They found a heartbeat, saw the embryo and it's definitely in the right place, the bleeding stopped, and the diagnosis was the second best three words ever: "single viable pregnancy". Phew! Thanks so much for all your messages of support. God it was scary.

It has made me feel even more for the ladies here who are not getting good news. I'm thinking of you a lot and rooting for you.

The only slightly heart-sinking news from today is that I am a whole week behind the midwife's estimate, so I'm only just 6w. Nyargh etc. But that news is nothing compared to what could have been.

I hate to admit it, but I am not enjoying the first trimester. Not. at. all. It's such an anxious, isolated time isn't it?

Thandeka I am sorry to read your sad news. Hope you and your husband are ok.

Thanks again for supportive messages chaps x

Yayayayayay that is fabulous news! and I'm 6weeks today too so you are with me now - we can be twinnies (Thandeka doesn't want to get ahead of herself or anything but imagines Mini Thandeka and Mini Joy27 babies falling in love and getting married!)

haha, we'd better start looking for hats Thandeka! Thanks for your nice message. I like the fact we're due on the same day.

joy thats brilliant news well done hun been worried about u all day big hugs maybe u can relax 4 a bit now xxxxxx

Well y'see Lobsters were a significant feature of mine and DH's wedding (Phoebe from friends - says "he's your lobster" meaning mate for life- DH is ginger and goes lobster in the sun- so I adopted all the guests a lobster as a thankyou! As you do. So anyhow I think to carry on the theme it would be nice to have some recognition of that in a DC's wedding- so I think my hat will be like this

What do you think?

In other news I have a cold sore and not sure what I can do about it- don't want to use anything til I have checked it out what is safe to use but NHS direct is swamped with swine flu calls- so looks like I can't catch it in time with Zovirax to stop it developing further.

Google tells me this:
Since I am taking NO risks then I dont think I will bother as at the min is only tiny if it takes over my head so I become herpes head and need the lobster hat as a disguise I will reconsider.

Pregnancy:

A post-marketing aciclovir pregnancy registry has documented pregnancy outcomes in women exposed to any formulation of Zovirax. The birth defects described amongst Zovirax exposed subjects have not shown any uniqueness or consistent pattern to suggest a common cause.

The use of Zovirax Cream should be considered only when the potential benefits outweigh the possibility of unknown risks.

Teratogenicity:

Effects in non-clinical studies were observed only at exposures considered sufficiently in excess of the maximum human exposure to indicate little relevance to clinical use (see section 5.3)

Lactation:

Limited human data show that the drug does pass into breast milk following systemic administration. However, the dosage received by a nursing infant following maternal use of Zovirax Cream would be insignificant.

Fertility:

There is no information on the effect of aciclovir on human female fertility.

In a study of 20 male patients with normal sperm count, oral aciclovir administered at doses of up to 1g per day for up to six months has been shown to have no clinically significant effect on sperm count, motility or morphology.

Thanks to wasabipeanut for the kind words, i have been reading through some of the posts on here and finding it really reassuring esp stuff about odd pains and the sickness, i decided this morning that i would take some digestive biscuits into work with me to try and snack on. Great idea until i couldn't find a tub big enought for a whole biscuit so ended up with a tiny tub of broken biscuits, they have helped but keep getting funny looks when i take my tub out of my handbag and start eating crumbs.

Appoligies i am not sure who wrote it but thank you anyway, the advice about the folic acid making you feel unwell was very true i have felt loads better since i changed from having it of a morning on an empty belly to having it after my tea of a night.

Also sorry to her your news Thandeka, but after no interest in food for weeks i read you post and am now craving a pizza!

thoughs are with every at this time x

oh and before i forget, lot of you guys are talking about going for early tests and blood tests, (?) should i be doing thinks like that i am a bit new to all this stuff, haven't even been to docs yet (7+1)

Thandeka what about compeed patches, an excellent drug-free cold sore remedy from someone who reacts to zovirax. So sorry for your news too . Hope you are ok.

Great news Joy27, I have "viable interuterine pregnancy" on my notes too. At least it was last week.

I definitely agree about variable sickness/energy. Yesterday I was really sick 6 times even at 10:30pm but today more tired, fell asleep with dd watching Peter Pan to be woken with a foil crown and wand to become queen of the fairies. I think you only need to worry if the symptoms go completely for more than 1 day. Not that I have any medical expertise...

2nd attempt I think you only need tests and scans if the doctor/midwife has referred you. I had blood tests last year with mc as had an inconclusive scan to find levels of hcg. I had an early scan last week as I had a big bleed and phoned midwife. I saw ob at antenatal dept in hospital at 6 wks as am "high risk" pg.

If you feel ok then you are probably fine, if not go to the doctor's and then you are at least in the system. Hope that helps.

thanks quirkychick, think you prob right, i had no syptoms last time and although i lasted to 10 weeks before a had any problems and MC'ed, there had been no growth past about 5 weeks. This time is totally different and feel very pregnant! Just reading though all the posts and realising that there is so much i don't know about.

2nd attempt, I think the whole mc/threatened mc is quite complicated I have had different experiences with bleeds in 1st pg, mc and this one. This time I was told this time that I couldn't go to EPAU without pain, but I could be referred to ob/gyn ward as an emergency for an instant scan.

Will have to go and put dd to bed now but might be on later if I don't conk out asleep too!

Dear Joy oh yippee, yippee, yippee! How unbelievable lucky and fantastic.

2ndAttempt I'm (I guess) around the same number of weeks as you and I have had no blood tests, no scan, nada. My first appointment will be on June 22nd, so around 9th week? I will be stressed for sure. Now every day I worry about miscarrying BUT I figure if I had an ectopic pregnancy I would PROBABLY have had some warning signals by now (I'll be 8 weeks on Sunday). I also have a slight aversion to medical intervention (despite having some really nice doctors in my little life) and I just want this pregancy to be as natural as possible. This all translates as I'm a wimp.
Of course, had I had any problems like some of the ladies on this thread I would have rushed in like the clappers (is that still a valid expression in UK? I've been living in France for 12 years now.....

Dear Thandeka I have whichever virus is responsible for genital herpes and my lovely gynea put me on a one a day Zovirax prevention treatment during the second half of my last pregnancy (to avoid getting it during the birth of course) and told me
it was quite harmless. My son seems quite normal!!!

TMI alert: less wicked nausea was accompanied with evil dehli belly. EVIL.

Love to all