Is one large glass of wine every other night whilst pg ok, or not?

[AuntieSocial]

and if your friend was drinking this much, would you say something, or not?

whassthat? The ontological argument?

Apropos of...?

apropos of argument that as there is no proof that a risk does not exist we (pregnant women) should behave as if it does

Saymyname, show me the evidence, real evidence not simply opinion, that says light consumption of alchohol in pregnancy is harmful

ah MT but you could also be asked to prove that moderate drinking does not do any harm (even though any scientific training you might have had will have shown you the impossibility of proving such a negative statement)

hmmm, I wonder if the same could be said for "light consumption" of cocaine (sp??)? Have there been any studies the PROVE absolutely that moderate consumption of cocaine is harmful to an unborn baby? I know that moderate to heavy usage yes... but just light use, like once or twice?
I don't do any drugs... and never have... just playing devil's advocate here

Isn't the difficulty that no trials of alcohol or drugs can ever be done on pregnant women, because it would be unethical..so no concrete evidence can ever be provided either way?

It's not that complicated W&C surely. Common sense is enough.

Saymyname - I didn't mean to imply that you 'said it was the actual research' I was only pointing out that as it wasn't the actual research it was difficult to assess the robustness of it.

As far as the argument 'we don't know there isn't a risk in moderate amounts therefore we should avoid it' goes ...you could apply this to anything that hasn't been tested surely?

We haven't had tests on the effects of say, nutmeg, carrots, tea or grapefruit ...so we don't know for sure these are safe ... should we avoid them too?

i dont think its ok personally i'm afraid and not sure how you would aPPROACH THE MATTER (oops caps lock sorry ) not read whole thread sorry

AP - but alcohol is a poison - it is a toxin

I never thought I'd be on this side on one of these threads but that is way too much to drink when pg IMO. Not sure you can say or do anything though.

SPB - alcohol is small amounts is actually beneficial healthwise.
In excess it is toxic ..like many things.
Nutmeg in excess is a toxin

I can't believe that you don't see a difference between the harmful effects of alcohol in moderate quantities and of other food and drink. How many people are admitted to hospital every week because of excess nutmeg or carrot? No there have been no studies forcing pregnant women to consume varying amounts of alcohol to see the effect on their babies, but it doesn't seem beyond the realms of possibility that a substance that makes you drunk, severely dehydrates you and causes cirrhosis of the liver could have an adverse effect on an unborn baby!

SPB - yes of course I see the difference - my point was that the argument 'we don't know the effectstherefore we should avoid' is a flawed one

OK, fair enough, I agree life is a series of risk calculations. Am really surprised at the number of people who think a large glass of wine every night is OK though.

Haven't read whole thread but would just like to say I chose not to drink at all whilst pregnant. Many people chose to tell me I was 'saintly' etc. TBH that made me a bit - i felt if a glass can affect me in even the tiniest way, what the hell would it do to my unborn baby?

probably OK, but it is a risk

I think when pregnant in later stages the odd glass is OK, not regularly though

Oh yes and I know people who bf and disagree with bottle feeding. Fine thats their choice- but I also know they drank whilst pg. WTF?

I chose to drink a small amount when pg but wouldn't judge someone who didn't - it's their assessment of the risks, and NOT drinking when pg can't be harmful! But drinking on this scale surely is at the very limit of what most people consider reasonable.
I bf though - not sure what the link is...

It's just an observation i maade once when I realised people would comment on how I did NOT drink -which struck me as odd as i would not comment on someone who does. My point about the bf was something else that simply struck me as odd. A couple of friends would go on about the merits of bf and disagree with anyone who bottle fed as they felt bf was 'the best thing'. I agree 'breast is best' but I thought it was odd that they did not practise this when pg by drinking 1-2 large glasses wine. A little hypocritical?

twas just an observation

Like I said- just an observation on something which I still think seems very hypocritical.

It's not an argument at all

The logic is quite simple.
On one hand they were preaching that they were doing the best for their babies health.

Yet on the other hand when it suited them they were putting their babies health at risk by drinking.

Starlight if you believe alchol cannot affect an unborn baby then drink away!

Not everyone can bf for many reasons but people can choose to drink. (1-2 large glasses regularly)

Cheers!