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Facing criticism/judgement over baby no.6

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Loudhouse6 · Yesterday 12:01

hi, are there any ladies here who have experienced judgement or criticism for the size of their family? How did you deal with people judging your families size?

me and my husband have been together 20 years. We have five children together 18,8,7,5&2 we are expecting our last baby later in the year. We had our first child when we were 18&20. No one believed we would last being so young but we proved everyone wrong. When we became more financially stable we had our second and subsequent children.

I’m so anxious at the thought of announcing because we’ve already taken a lot of criticism from friends, family and even strangers when it came to babies 4+5.

to give some context we both work full time running our own business which means we’re financially independent and are sensible with money. Working together means we are more than able to juggle work and kids without relying on childcare.

We don’t rely on friends or family to take care of our children and our oldest child who is soon to turn 19 is not asked to baby sit or take responsibility for her younger siblings in any way. I have heard of older siblings becoming like second parents but this is absolutely not the case with us. We may have a babysitter once or twice a year so me and my husband’s life is literally raising our children and work.

giving all of the above I don’t understand why we have been judged so harshly when we are hard working parents who don’t depend on anyone for any sort of support. All of our children are well cared for and loved. We make sure we have one on one time with our children whether it’s activities or a trip out and we also do activities as a whole family.

my brother has said some very derogatory things to me in the past about how many children I have and it makes me wonder if other people think the same way of me too.

sorry for the ramble it’s just we’re a big happy family and I don’t want our joy spoiled. How did you ladies cope with the criticism?

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Loudhouse6 · Today 12:17

allthingsinmoderation · Today 09:23

Likely projection/defence mechanism to cover his own low self esteem. He's gaslighting you. Do not fall fall for it by defending yourself
I understand his hideous rantings are not nice to hear (in fact he sounds abusive and pickled in alcohol) but don't validate his nonsense by explaining yourself.
Would distancing your family from him be an option?

Yes you’re right that was my thoughts too. Since Christmas last year we have had to cut him off completely. Sadly the alcohol has changed him and he is abusive and obnoxious. I know I shouldn’t try to defend myself against his comments but it really took me back when he said it. Really shocked me but it’s the bottle talking….maybe.

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Loudhouse6 · Today 13:31

it’s becoming difficult to keep up with the questions and comments

I just want to say about the questions financially. The business used to belong to my dad he retired young and handed it over to me. My siblings took no interest in the business and their inheritance is different to mine. I inherited the business which we changed from a petrol station/shop into a repair mot garage. My husband did his training while we still ran it as a petrol station. My dad guided me for a long time. He was successful business man for over 30 years as he also had a sea food business so the monies from that are put into the business now. We also helped run that for many years too and I took all his advice. We do take less salary from the business than we could but my dad did the same and the money was left in the business and passed down to me. I also intend to do the same.

before my dad sadly passed away he bought my family home. I have no mortgage or rent to pay. This makes a huge difference financially. The business that I now own has its own home attached where my mam and dad lived mortgage free as well. My dad advised me before he passed that he wanted me to hold onto my home and when the time was right to sell it and move into the property based at the business. This would mean the money from the sale of my home will be money in the pot for my retirement or to help with university fees if that’s what any of my children wanted to do. However my daughter has already decided she doesn’t want to go university. The property at the business is also a four bed but it has massive amounts of space so could be converted into something bigger in the future when the children are teens and because the dwelling at the business belongs to the business it means any major work can legally be paid for with funds from the business. I can’t imagine my daughter will be living at home by that point although she knows there’s always room for her with us if she wanted. I’d never hurry her.

the business, the land, the properties, the money in the bank accounts and stock if I sold it all I would be worth over 700,000 pounds. Plus my own savings and private pension on top of that. My dad told me if the business is no longer working for us just to sell it all, not to cling on and risk losing everything. And I won’t. I’m fifth generation of my family to own this land and business and although It’s changed a lot over the years it’s still here and I won’t risk losing everything my family has worked for since 1915.

my children spend very little time at the business and when we swap over there here usually 20 mins or so while we have a brief catch up about the business before either one of us heads home with them, the only time they spend more than that is when one of my children goes to boxing practice and the others stay in the office for about an hour. It’s a safe environment away from the mechanics but as the garage has been a big part of our lives a lot of the time the children want to come along with us but we don’t do it often because it’s very difficult to work when you have four children around.

my children want for nothing, they get far more than the basics I can assure you. I just don’t believe in giving everything on a plate. My dad taught me to work hard for what I wanted in life and I made the mistake with my first of giving her too much too soon. Now that she’s older she appreciates the life she’s had with us but at the time I didn’t teach her to put the effort in for the things she wanted in life. Thankfully i as able to turn it around and she’s turned into a hard working young woman with a caring nature. I hope to teach my children the same values my parents taught me.

my children do get one to one time but they also know that the world does not revolve around them. They get individual activity’s as well as joint activities that we pay for. They also have play dates with friends at each others homes. They attend birthday parties individually. They all have different personalities and interests and we encourage that. My children are not treated like a pack of animals that needed to be herded along. They are children with the own strengths and personalities.

some may not believe we mange with out help but assure you we do. We have been doing it a long time. My children aren’t just fed and watered. They’re loved and cared for. Treated with respect and kindness treated as individuals. My husband is a dab hand at home as well as work which means we have each other to do what is needed to make our large family work. It wouldn’t work if we had set rolls, we just get on and do what needs to be done.

the comment which was suggested big families are weird and are likely to commit abhorrent abuse like some big families on tv was uncalled for. To even suggest that kind of abuse is crazy and I won’t say anymore on the matter. We are also not some strict religious family.

talking about public spending that we take out of the public purse from the nhs and schooling etc. I know a few people have also commented on this. But we have a falling birth rate and aging population. My children will attend school and eventually pay into the system like I do. As a hard working family I plan to instill those same values in my children so they to become productive members of society. They have a better chance when they see their parents working hard for a living.

our days are long but the years are short. It feels like yesterday we were welcoming our first child into our lives and through the past twenty years we’ve supper each other through the highs and lows of life. We’ve grafted hard and proved everyone wrong that a young love can survive. There’s far more wrong going on in the world than a family having 6 children and it totally baffles me that it’s so frowned upon these days.

I would be more than happy for my contributions go to free school clubs and breakfast clubs, help for parents with school clothing when needed. Isn’t that what the system is there for to help people in need? I don’t need the help but if I thought my money was going to help a child have a hot meal at school i certainly wouldn’t begrudge that and some of you that do need to take a good hard look at yourselves.

we have always thought a head always planned always looked at the pros and cons in everything we do and from being a young age he learnt to manage finances. Something I believe children should be taught from a young age. We haven’t been careless we have looked at our circumstances and made decisions: this is the reason why there’s ten years between my first and second child because I wanted to make sure we were secure in what we were doing and that took time.

one thing I can say from this thread is it has ignited a new found fire in my belly to tell people to sod off and mind their own damn business. I think it will always be harder when you hear nasty comments on judgement from people closer to you but like some have said it’s no one else’s business and no one really sees the whole picture. some people have said they came from a big family and hated it others said they loved it. You can’t assume anything and if our track record is anything to go by I’m pretty confident that we will raise happy well adjusted children.

anyway thanks for the responses I didn’t except it to get so much discussion

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Loudhouse6 · Today 14:02

BeAmberZebra · Today 10:09

I’ve been on mumsnet for around a year now and am finding it very addictive and need to step away but it’s like X and I constantly find myself drawn back to it. I sometimes wonder if these posts are made up either totally or partially. This particular thread is starting to feel a little off and I think the scenario being painted is difficult to believe particularly some of the financial aspects and the time allocation between work and caring for the home/family. Does anyone else ever feel that way about this or other posts? Just interested as I think I’d find it easier to step away if I could convince myself it’s not real.

It is real I’ve just wrote a separate comment trying to answer people’s questions as individually it was getting difficult to respond.

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Wayk · Today 16:28

You seem very sensible. Ignore any mean comments and enjoy your family. You got this.

DangerousAlchemy · Today 16:46

Loudhouse6 · Yesterday 13:18

I also want to mention it doesn’t cost as much as people might think to sustain a big family if you’re sensible. By that I mean food clothing etc.

as husband and wife we don’t spend a lot on ourselves no fancy labels and expensive stuff, we pass things down from one child to another if it’s still in good condition. When it comes to food shopping I always look for offers and we don’t over indulge.

Our children have nice things but we don’t over spend and spoil them ridiculously. It doesn’t cost anywhere near as much as people think

As a family we have an average people carrier, we don’t eat out often or waste money on takeaways. We use our money to take our children out places couple of times a month as a family at weekends and we do activities like swimming and boxing or football through the week. They don’t all have to cost money either parks and outdoor spaces with picnic and a football, day at the beach.

were going away on holiday this year and I’ve saved every month for the past 14 months to make it happen. We’ve learnt from a young age how to manage money

Dont you want to enjoy your life more though rather than all hard work and just parenting 24/7? Does your DH enjoy working 50 hours a week? I don't really see what baby no 6 brings into the family i guess unless you love being pregnant and you both love the baby stage. What do your kids think of your pregnancy and soon-to-be sibling? Aren't you worried you could die or have a stroke during labour//birth/ppst partum? Or that your child might have a serious disability? If you did die during birth would your DH be able to cope with 6 kids alone? These would be reasons I wouldn't have 6 kids personally. We have 1 DD graduating soon & DS off to Uni in Sept and we've paid a fortune for DD rent over the last 4 years. We definitely wouldn't be able to afford to send 6 kids to Uni. Aren't you worried you can't offer them all the opportunities in life that a family with 2 kids can? You asked for opinions. These would be my concerns if I was pregnant with no 6.

Niftymum88 · Today 17:05

DangerousAlchemy · Today 16:46

Dont you want to enjoy your life more though rather than all hard work and just parenting 24/7? Does your DH enjoy working 50 hours a week? I don't really see what baby no 6 brings into the family i guess unless you love being pregnant and you both love the baby stage. What do your kids think of your pregnancy and soon-to-be sibling? Aren't you worried you could die or have a stroke during labour//birth/ppst partum? Or that your child might have a serious disability? If you did die during birth would your DH be able to cope with 6 kids alone? These would be reasons I wouldn't have 6 kids personally. We have 1 DD graduating soon & DS off to Uni in Sept and we've paid a fortune for DD rent over the last 4 years. We definitely wouldn't be able to afford to send 6 kids to Uni. Aren't you worried you can't offer them all the opportunities in life that a family with 2 kids can? You asked for opinions. These would be my concerns if I was pregnant with no 6.

anyone could have the same concerns just having 1 or 2 children but people still do it.
not to mention any child can be born with a disability, my 5th was it’s doesn’t change anything.
If a person wants to work hard or wants to be a parent 24/7 that’s their prerogative, and if they’re happy why does it matter?
others can have an opinion about it but shouldn’t judge.
everyone has their own personal experience and life so your concerns might not be someone else’s concerns, and that’s ok

DefiantRabbit9 · Today 18:16

If you can afford it go for it. I wish I could afford 6 children. That was my dream.

BeAzureRaven · Today 18:28

I would announce only to the people you are sure will be happy for you. If they've made derogatory comments in the past, let them find out when they see the new baby. Nobody else's business My own PARENTS didn't even call me back when I left a message telling them I was pregnant with twins at age 40. (babies 3 and 4--it wasn't planned, exactly, but I was totally thrilled. Never have forgotten that and never will) And CONGRATULATIONS!!!

BeAzureRaven · Today 18:30

Pugglywuggly · Yesterday 12:10

I guess I'd wonder what another baby could add that the ones you already have don't offer. It feels indulgent and at the expense of the existing children's needs - you're working, and there are only so many hours in the day. It's just not possible to have quality time with all of them, even if you think you're managing. I wouldn't say that to you, but as you're asking, those would be my thoughts. I wouldn't be super excited about another baby coming if you told me in real life.

People used to have very large families all the time. It was the rule rather than the exception. What a new baby adds is something for the parents to know. Nobody else needs to know, and it's not the business of anyone else to be judgy when no help is being asked for.

Pugglywuggly · Today 18:33

BeAzureRaven · Today 18:30

People used to have very large families all the time. It was the rule rather than the exception. What a new baby adds is something for the parents to know. Nobody else needs to know, and it's not the business of anyone else to be judgy when no help is being asked for.

Yes, because contraception was unavailable or it was deemed to be a sin, and because infant mortality was sky high. Thankfully that's not the case any more and we can consider what is best. Plenty of things used to happen all the time, and shouldn't have. Caning for instance.

FamilyofTrees · Today 18:39

Loudhouse6 · Yesterday 13:06

As a director of a company I take a salary. We pay thousands in coperation tax and vat as well as national insurance contributions. Child benefit is not a lot and my oldest is already in full time work herself so we don’t claim for her. Most people are claiming child elements and work elements of universal credit we don’t get those. In the grand scheme of things we take very little out of the public purse.

If people truly think the issue with big families like yours is that they use an unfair amount of public services, then that is very surprising to me.

If someone is so against public services being used for tax-paying citizens of the country, then it makes more sense to just be against taxes and public services. Which for the record, I am.

Big families on the other hand I am a big fan of and yours sounds amazing. My husband and I have 2 boys currently but hoping for many more children in the future.

LLM21 · Today 18:41

You support your children yourself, try not to allow them to burst your bubble
If they dont contribute towards childcare and you aren't claiming benefits etc then they dont get an opinion on the number of children you have! Congratulations on number 6!

ironblancmange · Today 18:43

Ursula von der Leyen had six children and she's doing OK.

WimbyAce · Today 18:49

What happens with maternity leave, do you have time off, take pay etc?

TheBlueKoala · Today 18:50

I think it's mad to have 6 children because I personally couldn't cope and I'm sure I wouldn't be the mum I try to be with 6 instead of 2.

I do have to admit though @Loudhouse6 that you sound very level-headed and dynamic. So maybe it's more about energy levels and what makes you happy in life. Your brother is out if line and I would go nc in order to preserve your happy family. I do admire you I must say because even though I truly love children I just couldn't physically nor mentally be responsable for so many.

MMUmum · Today 18:53

Loudhouse6 · Yesterday 12:01

hi, are there any ladies here who have experienced judgement or criticism for the size of their family? How did you deal with people judging your families size?

me and my husband have been together 20 years. We have five children together 18,8,7,5&2 we are expecting our last baby later in the year. We had our first child when we were 18&20. No one believed we would last being so young but we proved everyone wrong. When we became more financially stable we had our second and subsequent children.

I’m so anxious at the thought of announcing because we’ve already taken a lot of criticism from friends, family and even strangers when it came to babies 4+5.

to give some context we both work full time running our own business which means we’re financially independent and are sensible with money. Working together means we are more than able to juggle work and kids without relying on childcare.

We don’t rely on friends or family to take care of our children and our oldest child who is soon to turn 19 is not asked to baby sit or take responsibility for her younger siblings in any way. I have heard of older siblings becoming like second parents but this is absolutely not the case with us. We may have a babysitter once or twice a year so me and my husband’s life is literally raising our children and work.

giving all of the above I don’t understand why we have been judged so harshly when we are hard working parents who don’t depend on anyone for any sort of support. All of our children are well cared for and loved. We make sure we have one on one time with our children whether it’s activities or a trip out and we also do activities as a whole family.

my brother has said some very derogatory things to me in the past about how many children I have and it makes me wonder if other people think the same way of me too.

sorry for the ramble it’s just we’re a big happy family and I don’t want our joy spoiled. How did you ladies cope with the criticism?

Well to quote Billie Holliday among others 🎵 T'aint nobody's business if I do🎵 good luck with your new little one 🥰

KellyAnne47 · Today 18:59

I wanted to travel the world and teach. No kids wanted.

I have 5 children. And I am 38 weeks pregnant. Years ago I wasted so much energy caring about what people thought. Now.. I honestly couldn't give two shits. The way I see it, in the end, what really matters? Would you lay there thinking of the flash car on the drive or diamond jewellery? Of course not. It would be family you think of and all the joyous memories. Lazy weekends, holidays, Christmas', birthdays etc. And believe me I've been there, on my death bed so I know what I'm talking about. However I was fortunate enough to make it out alive. Never will I take what I have for granted. Nor would I allow people and their negative opinions/approach to have any impact on my life.

My eldest is 20 and she adores me. It's crystal clear. We're like sisters and best friends too.. My youngest is 3 in June. It's been a crazy ride and not all planned. Far from it. But it is what it is. All my children are incredible to be fair. Our bonds even though all different are just wonderful. So much trust and communication. They want for nothing. Good jobs, good educations, loving, loyal. There for one another. Screw what other people think. They really really don't matter. Embrace this little (yet so big) miracle. Xx

dementedmummy · Today 19:00

Loudhouse6 · Today 00:34

He called me a sl*t and told me to close my legs. Told me all I’m good for is spitting out babies. I’ve been with my husband for 20 years and married 10 of those. All my children have the same dad. Still made me feel dirty though. Yet he doesn’t work even though he could, doesn’t have anything to do with his own children. He treats women badly so I should have expected it but it still wasn’t very nice to hear. I probably do more in one day than he does in a whole week. He’s married to the bottle unfortunately

Next time he pulls a stunt like that turn around and say "honestly what you think of me is none of my business. I am however now understanding why your own children have nothing to do with you if you think that's an appropriate way to speak to people you are supposed to care about". I am however quite petty that way! Congratulations on your new impending arrival - if you and hubby are happy with the situation it's no one else's business

StarCurator · Today 19:09

Britain is very over-populated, as is the world statistically even though the birthrate is declining in many countries. The cost to the environment is enormous, so it is not harmless to have so many children. As another commentator points out, the health care and education bill for the state is colossal.

Mumofthreeteenagers · Today 19:10

I am so pleased for you. What a gift. These people who are horrid, are horrid.
It's your life, live it. Love those children and bring them up valuing their family.
Many congratulations!

PinkFrogss · Today 19:22

Thanks for answering OP, I can definitely see how it is affordable now that you have clarified your large family house was bought for you. I would also be able to afford 6 children if I had no housing costs.

Not receiving an inheritance does not mean someone is bad at managing finances though, and you do understand you are lucky to be in the position you are right?

If you give off the same vibe to others about the assumption it is affordable to many then perhaps that is why you are getting judgemental comments.

Sharptonguedwoman · Today 19:24

OriginalUsername2 · Yesterday 12:22

So what? We need children to be born to keep society going. The birth rate is falling so this family isn’t doing any harm.

But total population isn’t.

0ddsocks · Today 19:30

I also now see how this is affordable as there is a significant financial transfer from your dad to you. In which case if you can afford it, it’s no one else’s business. Enjoy #6!

Loudhouse6 · Today 19:34

DangerousAlchemy · Today 16:46

Dont you want to enjoy your life more though rather than all hard work and just parenting 24/7? Does your DH enjoy working 50 hours a week? I don't really see what baby no 6 brings into the family i guess unless you love being pregnant and you both love the baby stage. What do your kids think of your pregnancy and soon-to-be sibling? Aren't you worried you could die or have a stroke during labour//birth/ppst partum? Or that your child might have a serious disability? If you did die during birth would your DH be able to cope with 6 kids alone? These would be reasons I wouldn't have 6 kids personally. We have 1 DD graduating soon & DS off to Uni in Sept and we've paid a fortune for DD rent over the last 4 years. We definitely wouldn't be able to afford to send 6 kids to Uni. Aren't you worried you can't offer them all the opportunities in life that a family with 2 kids can? You asked for opinions. These would be my concerns if I was pregnant with no 6.

Firstly the early years don’t last forever. By the time I’m in my late 40s we will have more free time and the plan is to pass our business down to one or more of our children in the same way the business has been passed down five generations to me. If none of the children wanted to take the business on me and my husband would sell up and would have as it stands around 700,000 even if that dropped in value somewhat we would still be sitting comfortably. With a lovely home mortgage free

my dad always told me there was no sentiment in business but I know deep down he wasn’t being fully truthful and the business means a lot to me and my husband and I know it meant a lot to my dad. it has supported many of my family members before me, supported my parents and their children and now it’s doing the same for me.

my husband used to work close to 70hrs at one point so he is working less and yes he is happy or he wouldn’t have done it for so long. When my dad passed away we talked about it and he felt it was better for us and our children to keep the business going. Working for someone else would mean I would have to give up work completely and we would be worse off.

you assume that I must love being pregnant and love the baby stage but and thats it, that’s where assuming can be wrong because I don’t enjoy pregnancy at all. It’s not the fun part and the newborn stage is a six week event. We love children I love raising little people and watch them flourish. I enjoy them when they’re old enough to walk and talk and do activities together and family days out. Days out with my daughter just me and her time. This is why you shouldn’t assume. I’m also able to go out and socialise with friends if I wanted to while my husband holds the fort and vice versa. We just don’t get a lot of husband and wife time. As mentioned before we once or twice a year get a baby sitter for a special occasion like our wedding anniversary. Our day will come when we have more time for each other and we try to find time for each other in other ways.

pregnancy is risky but like another poster said many women have had complications in their first and second pregnancies. God forbid my husband was left without me to raise five children (my oldest is an adult) he would be able to raise them full time and not work and my business and everything i inherited from dad would see him through till the children were well into school. But we could step out and be hit by a car tomorrow. What’s the point in thinking so negatively?

they will have plenty of opportunities in life I’m very sure of that

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DangerousAlchemy · Today 19:37

Niftymum88 · Today 17:05

anyone could have the same concerns just having 1 or 2 children but people still do it.
not to mention any child can be born with a disability, my 5th was it’s doesn’t change anything.
If a person wants to work hard or wants to be a parent 24/7 that’s their prerogative, and if they’re happy why does it matter?
others can have an opinion about it but shouldn’t judge.
everyone has their own personal experience and life so your concerns might not be someone else’s concerns, and that’s ok

Having multiple pregnancies especially spaced closely together carries a higher risk of post-partum haemorrhage , issues with the placenta plus if Mum is older ie 40 ish for pregnancy no 6 then that carries a higher risk too of gestational diabetes & possibly a greater risk for Downs syndrome. If I had died giving birth to my 2nd & last child my DH would have had 2 children to care for, not 6. It should still be a factor. Childbirth is still dangerous for mums in the UK & I believe the death rate for women in the UK during birth or through complications of childbirth is actually on the rise especially in some areas/certain hospitals. Hopefully OP, in this case, has good life insurance - and hopefully her birth will be fine. But no one can predict the future sadly.