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Baby before marriage - parents NOT happy

656 replies

Oli16 · 30/01/2025 15:11

Me and my boyfriend are expecting our first baby and the way my parents have reacted makes me feel like I’m having a teen pregnancy (I’m 33, been with partner for 5 years who they love)

since telling them at Christmas they have been really weird about it, they say their excited but I’ve had multiple conversations with my mother who keeps asking me how “committed” my partner is and “why hasn’t he proposed to you yet” - I’m finding out their quite traditional and even though I say we have plans to get engaged / married quite soon, it’s left a very bitter feeling between us.

Its pretty common to have a baby before marriage but she says she “feels” for me which made me feel horrendous and upset.

has anyone else experienced people being dicks about having a baby before marriage?

so disappointed and I think they seem miffed too

OP posts:
Mumtobabyhavoc · 30/01/2025 20:52

"Prancing about?"
"Behaving foolishly?"

How utterly patronizing. Way to infantilize OP. 👍

Bouledeneige · 30/01/2025 20:54

It sounds traditional and judgey and it really shouldn't matter. But there's truth in the fact that women who are married are much more legally and financially protected particularly if they reduce their salary and pension prospects. When you have the joy of a new baby on the way you don't really want to think about that but once you have a child you do realise more your reliance on a partner and feel your vulnerability.

I say that as someone who divorced whilst my DC were very young and managed perfectly well on my own. But the protections were very important in that scenario.

Geordie01 · 30/01/2025 20:56

Oh dear, clearly offended a pearl clutcher and got reported. You ok @devastatedagain hun?

Rossettes · 30/01/2025 20:57

@Oli16 Register Office, £56 (England), 29 days notice and you need to live in the district. What have you got to lose? Suggest it to your boyfriend/partner and see what he says.

wigsonthegreenandhatsforthelifting · 30/01/2025 20:59

Praying4Peace · 30/01/2025 20:46

Cynical, business minded response!

Practical though!

Marshbird · 30/01/2025 20:59

pitterypattery00 · 30/01/2025 20:34

I have told DD (who's only 17) that if she wants to have children with someone it's really important they get married first.

I would tell my daughter that she should prioritise her education and her career so that she is financially independent (irrespective of whether she wants children or not). Financial dependence on someone else is a precarious situation to be in, married or not.

And if you are the higher earner/have more wealth than your partner then divorce can be financially devastating - as happened to my relative who had to give her abusive ex husband a lot of money. Marriage does not automatically protect women.

Get married if you want, but make sure you understand the legal context you're entering into and be wary if you're the higher earner.

I divorced after 30 years. Main breadwinner- STEM, retired at senior level, so independent and prioritised my education and opportunities . On paper with higher wealth in marriage.

Exh developed mental ill 10 years into marriage and it was a mix of couldn’t and wouldn’t work, or claim benefits for last 15 years of our marriage. I divorced for emotional abuse as a result of his illness.

so yes, I had to “give” my husband a lot of money. BUT it wasn’t MY money legally, it was our joint money and assets. It was based on law of “fair settlement “ based on both our future needs. And it was fair. By god it hurt when I realised when starting divorce process, but divorce settlement has NOTHING to do with past behaviour. It is purely financial. After I figured it out, and what I’d be left with, I accepted it slowly as the result of leaving the security and benefits of thst marriage law that had also ensured our kids had legal and financial security when growing up.

would I have married those 30 years earlier if I had known that it have “cost” me fiancnailly? . Given we had kids. Yes. Because, despite working full time after maternity leave (6 months all those years ago), my pay was penalised for many years. We were dependent on his salary during that time. Without the law that would have given me fair settllement based on my future needs, I’d have been royally screwed if we’d split at that point, and without that they’d probably had more debt so less money to invest in pensions etc.

I also recognise that over 30 years of marriage our joint assets were accrued jointly. It’s not just down to who is earning what, it is about a bunch of other stuff. When he wasn’t working we moved all savings into his name so we weren’t paying tax, I moved some shares I got form company into his name to protect form future capital gains etc etc. once he no longer worked I could/ had to work bloody long hours and get promotions in my career to ensure we kept roof over our heads. He did a resoanqble anmoujt in the house, despite being ill, to keep on top of things and our teenage kids to allow me to do that, And now, some years post divorce, my pension does reflect that opportunity his illness perversely allowed me.

just becuase one partner is higher salary, it doesn’t mean it will stay that way, PARTICULARLY for women who have kids. No women can have it all, like some men do, salaries and opportunities will get hit during child rearing ages even where care is jointly split. That’s lost opportunities and unconscious bias that leads to gender pay gaps - alive and well and kicking still. It is naive to think thst women have reached equality in workplace even now, even if she prioritises her education and career. If you want to ensure that, don’t have kids. simple. And sure, yes, if you’re not having kids then less point to marriage, until you’re facing retirement and death.

Seamless11 · 30/01/2025 21:02

I don’t see the issue at all. I have been with DP for about 20 years and have a toddler. It never crossed our minds to bother getting married.

We do have a fairly even split of assets though in our own names so no great imbalance financially.

Having said that the government’s changes to IHT and pensions means that we’ll have to get married or have a civil partnership before April 2027 otherwise one of us will end up with a huge tax bill as we both have very large pension funds. We’ll do it discretely and probably not even tell anyone. It is very much just a tax saving move. We already committed to each other a long time ago.

Marshbird · 30/01/2025 21:02

Crazybaby123 · 30/01/2025 20:20

Personally l think it is nicer and more meaningful if there are kids involved, the very people that are the most involved in this union of two people. A young couple getting married, I generally think, what a song and dance about absolutely nothing. Always a good day out but I honestly think it is weird having a big special day to declare your love. Just do it daily, to each other. Don't have to make a show of it.

You seem to be confusing a wedding with marriage.
2 entirely different things.
and you can get married, without a song and dance wedding. A cheap liscence and dash to registry office with 2 random strangers will do the legal and ficnail bits needed.

Marshbird · 30/01/2025 21:05

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 30/01/2025 18:52

I don't think that is correct. Next Of Kin isn't a legal term and DD can give her partner's name rather than a relative's. It's really about being the main contact. Back in the day, a hospital would have wanted the name of a spouse or blood relative, if any.

Nearest relative is used in medical settings. mental health act .

EdithBond · 30/01/2025 21:07

Praying4Peace · 30/01/2025 20:49

Is this for real? What a nasty post with despicable choice of words.
I'm surprised this post wasn't deleted

And imagine the reactions if a man who chose to live off his partner’s earnings had this attitude towards marriage: you better marry her so you can have half her assets, pension etc if she wants to end the relationship.

Marshbird · 30/01/2025 21:07

Tubetrain · 30/01/2025 18:55

Name one.

The law that defines “fair settlement”
fairly fundamental in marriage even though oddly in the bits of marriage act relating to divorce, which is when it comes into play.

Whippetlovely · 30/01/2025 21:08

Praying4Peace · 30/01/2025 20:49

Is this for real? What a nasty post with despicable choice of words.
I'm surprised this post wasn't deleted

It was sarcasm!!! If you read the previous posts you will see I am an unmarried mother myself.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 30/01/2025 21:10

KatyaKabanova · 30/01/2025 17:56

So "don't listen to the haters" was in reference to her parents? Not posters?
Ok. 😊x

Come on...

Bouledeneige · 30/01/2025 21:10

I do know someone whose partner died suddenly and as they were unmarried she's faced a huge inheritance tax bill and is now having to sell her house.

LittleBearPad · 30/01/2025 21:11

Don’t give up work or go part time.

Tubetrain · 30/01/2025 21:12

Marshbird · 30/01/2025 21:07

The law that defines “fair settlement”
fairly fundamental in marriage even though oddly in the bits of marriage act relating to divorce, which is when it comes into play.

Sorry I completely misread your post! I thought you said protections available, to unmarried women...🤦‍♀️

Praying4Peace · 30/01/2025 21:14

Whippetlovely · 30/01/2025 21:08

It was sarcasm!!! If you read the previous posts you will see I am an unmarried mother myself.

Thanks, So am I and have been on the receiving end of all sorts of prejudice and nastiness.

FindusMakesPancakes · 30/01/2025 21:19

Crushed23 · 30/01/2025 20:14

The answer is to not give up your career and make yourself dependent on a man. Not to get married willy nilly.

I earn more and have more assets than any man I have ever dated. I'll be damned if I risk that by getting married without a prenuptial agreement / in a country where pre-nuptial agreements aren't enforceable.

Have a 🥇

I was the higher earner when we got married, so didn't take a long career break for children. My husband then had an unplanned career change and is now the higher earner of the pair of us. My advice is not based on me or you, it is based on the wider population.

Not all women earn enough to justify working after having children because of childcare costs, or the children have additional needs etc. If a parent remains at home, it is still usually the mother, because biology.

Plus, many, many women actually want to be at home with their children and believe that their partner will look after them. Unfortunately, a significant proportion of men find they don't like playing second fiddle to children or a younger woman catches their eye and they move on. Without the legal protection of marriage or a civil partnership, they will be shafted if the relationship falls apart. Because those men are not the ones who look after their exes.

Zone2NorthLondon · 30/01/2025 21:24

congratulation's on happy news
It is unfortunate that your parents are a bit flat & underwhelmed
You’re in a stable happy relationship, you may or may not get married.
Discuss finances and expectations now, and that it’s a joint endeavour
Discuss childcare arrangements eg nursery ,parents,CM or you both share

Childcare costs shared proportionally to what you earn

graffittimonkey · 30/01/2025 22:27

As a (relatively young) widow who has made friends/connections with lots of other young widows/people whose significant other has died suddenly, I have to say my life was made considerably easier by having a marriage certificate compared to those who didn't.

I got to keep my home, pay less tax, my DH's pension, had automatic parental authority (a bit more obvious for a mum, not so for an unmarried, brand new dad) and was the first point of contact for the coroners, funeral directors etc.

I've watched my new friends have to fight for parental rights, their homes, finances, or even to attend the funeral of the person they loved and sadly not always win.

Death can happen in an instant and when you share a child there's even more to consider.

If you die in childbirth (highly unlikely, but possible) wouldn't you want your DP to have automatic parental responsibility for your baby? Or would you want his first days as a father, grieving the loss of his loved one, to be spent sorting out legal paperwork?

If you both love each other, why not just marry to keep things simple?

Ppzd · 30/01/2025 22:36

mydogisthebest · 30/01/2025 20:05

Tacky is the word I would use

You weren't there, how would you know?

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 30/01/2025 22:38

Whippetlovely · 30/01/2025 21:08

It was sarcasm!!! If you read the previous posts you will see I am an unmarried mother myself.

Irony easily gets lost on social media!

Ppzd · 30/01/2025 22:42

Moveoverdarlin · 30/01/2025 20:09

Sweet, but I think what a song and dance for a couple that have been shacked up for years and have a few kids already. It’s not the same as attending a wedding of a couple that are yet to embark on building a family together and have all that in front of them.

I find a couple who is clearly committed to each other, having already built something together, have a child, have been through some ups and downs and want to celebrate that love through marriage with their family and friends for more years to come, an incredibly beautiful thing. Not "sweet". On the other hand, I find it sweet and very eaay for young couples who've known each other 5 years or less to say they'll love each other forever. It's easy to make that promise when the love is young and you're young and all that.

Ppzd · 30/01/2025 22:51

Whippetlovely · 30/01/2025 20:33

Because you've got bastard children how terribly common. Your partner is going to get bored of you and leave you destitute. You have no glittering career and couldn't possibly cope on your own. You might have to live on the streets offering your services. Get married immediately!

🤣🤣🤣

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/01/2025 22:52

devastatedagain · 30/01/2025 15:19

I think it's a bit embarrasing to be 33, in a long term relationship and pregnant with no marriage proposal. She is right to question his commitment.

Maybe he will propose! Or maybe he is saving up for baby gear instead of a ring and a wedding
Op was baby planned?