Whooping Cough Vaccine 2023

[Princess2022]

Hi ladies

Since the past few days I been thinking so much about whether to take the whooping cough vaccine or not.
I read so many things like women had stillbirths and felt less fetal movements in their pregnancy. This vaccine isn't tested on pregnant women either.
If I don't take it and my child suffers from Whooping cough I will regret and If I get the vaccine what if something goes wrong. I already suffered a miscarriage, I don't want to take any risk.
I'm going to go crazy thinking about what to do. Midwife asked me if I will be doing it I told her I will think about it.
I seen videos where Newborn are suffering from the cough and its really scary. But I don't want to lose my baby no matter what 🙁.
Can anyone tell me if they had reduced movements of baby after taking it or stillbirth?
I'm struggling to decide what to do.
Please be kind 🙏

@VictoriaBlossom thank you! Wow that’s a bit scary.

@Sallyh87 I mean, it could be nothing.
But in my lifetime, women have been told to take paracetamol over aspirin.
Aspirin holds pretty much zero side effects especially in pregnancy.
And autism seems to be at an all time high as well? Might be a coincidence- I'm no healthcare professional

The ideal time to take the vaccine is at a time where you'll hit maximum immunity as close to birth as possible.

I think it takes a couple of weeks after a vaccine for you to build up the antibodies, so a couple of weeks before birth is probably ideal.

Since no one knows when delivery will be as you could go into labour prematurely, they recommend it earlier so that people who go into labour early or have to deliver early for whatever reason aren't missed and their babies are still protected. This means it's often recommended from around 20 weeks.

But if you gave birth at exactly 40 weeks, the best time to have the vaccine to give your baby maximum protection would be more like at 38 weeks.

"Aspirin holds pretty much zero side effects, especially in pregnancy" is categorically untrue.

Low dose aspirin can be recommended by doctors, but you should ask your doctor before taking it.

Here's some text from the Mayo clinic, for example, on higher dose aspirin use in pregnancy. I'm sure other sources of information are also available.

www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/pregnancy-week-by-week/expert-answers/aspirin-during-pregnancy/faq-20058167

"Higher doses of aspirin typically are not recommended during pregnancy. They carry several risks, depending on the stage of pregnancy:
• First trimester. During the first trimester, higher doses of aspirin may raise the risk of pregnancy loss. Taking a high dose also could raise the risk of a baby having medical problems at birth, called congenital defects.
• Second trimester. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), advises pregnant people not to take medicines called nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), after 19 weeks of pregnancy. Aspirin is a type of NSAID. Taking NSAIDs could cause rare but serious kidney problems in fetuses. That can lead to low levels of amniotic fluid. And that can cause more problems for the fetus.
If you need to take low-dose aspirin during pregnancy due to a medical condition, don't stop taking it at 19 weeks unless your health care provider tells you to do so. Ask your provider about the benefits and risks of aspirin in your situation.
• Third trimester. Along with the other risks, taking higher doses of aspirin during the third trimester of pregnancy raises the risk that a vessel in the fetus's heart will close too soon. If you have to take aspirin during the third trimester, you may need medical appointments often to check fetal health.
Use of high-dose aspirin for long periods of time during any part of pregnancy raises the risk of bleeding in the brain of premature infants.
If you need a pain reliever while you are pregnant, talk to your health care provider. Taking something other than aspirin, such as acetaminophen (Tylenol, others), may be a better choice."

@VictoriaBlossom yes we are! My due date is around 20th Oct! Thanks for the book recommendation, I'll have to order it.. nothing like a bit of light reading is there 🤣 also unvaccinated against Covid and very glad I didn't..!

@ironorchids mayoclinic also advise paracetamol is safe for pregnancy.
Non for profit but sponsored by Pfizer..... like anyone should listen to their opinion

@SillyOldBear3 it is very eye opening. There's also a lady called Nikita starck who's an incredible doula. I follow her on telegram and social media. She's a great person for knowledge and to take the scariness off the healthcare system

Sigh. Please don't take aspirin at painkilling doses after about 28 weeks of pregnancy. It can affect the level of amniotic fluid and this can have consequences for the baby's lungs. Take advice from doctors, not random crunchy mums

This appears to be simple trolling.

That clinic was just the first hit on Google if you search for info on the effects of aspirin in pregnancy.

The existence of extra feral blood vessels that need to be kept open til birth is common scientific knowledge.

If Pfizer said gravity makes things go down when you drop them it wouldn't mean gravity isn't real. I'm pretty sure you know that though as it is reasonably obvious.

What's a clean blood lifestyle? 😂

NSAIDs like ibuprofen and aspirin can prematurely close the ductus arteriosus.

This is a vessel in the heart of a foetus that bypasses the lungs so that the foetus gets oxygen from the placenta in utero while the lungs are full of amniotic fluid. It needs to stay open til birth and the baby is breathing and getting oxygen from its lungs. It usually closes within a day or so of delivery.

The midwife who delivered DS1 called in sick with whooping cough 6 hours after he was born. Thankfully I'd had the vaccine.
Obviously anacdotal but I met a couple of other mums as we went through baby groups who were also affected. Again all had had the jab and all babies were fine.

@ironorchids sorry you feel that way x

@sugarspices free from spike protein

@Princess2022 I’m a midwife. I haven’t known a single stillbirth that’s been associated with the whooping cough vaccine! I have however known babies that have died from whooping cough.

It’s obviously a personal decision but the vaccine is well tested, has been used for a long time and has a lot of evidence supporting it.

Thank you each and every person whose been messaging on here and giving advice 🙏
I haven't been checking on here for few days don't feel well. Having itching all over the body and very bad backaches.

@Madwife123 exactly. And the main reason whooping cough is now uncommon is the vaccine!

Hello, if you are in later pregnancy you should contact your midwife for both headaches and itching- you might need your blood pressure and bloods checking

There's two excellent books for those interested:

Vaccines: Making the Right Choice for Your Child: A Parent's Guide by Richard Halverson

The Vaccine Friendly Plan - Dr Paul Thomas and Jennifer Margulis

Very informative, gives aluminium free alternatives to certain vaccines, and gives you the pros and cons of all childhood vaccines.

Be warned - going off NHS vaccine schedule is expensive!

Hello
Yes I am doing bloodtest every 2 weeks coz one of the levels of liver function test is raised. They given me tablets and gp gave lotion but nothing is working. I'm 19 weeks now. The Itchiness is making me itch soo badly. I heard people usually get this after 30 weeks pregnant but I'm suffering now.

The level of aluminium in vaccines is less than that in breast milk and formula so "aluminium-free alternatives" aren't really necessary.

It's rather about what is absorbed. There's aluminium in lots of things that are edible but we don't absorb very much at all in to our cells after it's been through the digestive system.

Anyway, the books are just there for information for anyone that's interested. They're very balanced I think. They are supportive of almost all childhood vaccines with just a couple of exceptions which are very well explained.

@twoundertwowho thanks for these recommendations - just ordered Richard Halverson's book.

@SillyOldBear3 let me know if they're any good. I wonder if they'll be pro HPV vax

@Madwife123 you can't extrapolate your experience over statistics. Just because you haven't seen it doesnt mean it does not happen

Most people commenting base their decision on a) doctor said its fine b) my kids turned out fine. Remember, the number one cause of death is medical negligence.

@ironorchids yes I heard that recently about aspirin, how it's actually not as safe as some may think.