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Alisha32 · 23/12/2021 14:00

Is anyone unvaccinated and pregnant?

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Are your children’s vaccines up to date?
RoseAndRose · 28/12/2021 18:06

I joined this app to get support during what is the most worrying time, not to end up feeling awful

You have had a rest deal of support on this thread. Do not confuse 'support' with acritical endorsement of the riskier option for your baby and you

Scirocco · 28/12/2021 18:07

The vaccine itself doesn't leave your arm, so it can't cross the placenta. What it does is essentially show your cells a blueprint of a recognisable feature of COVID-19 infection - your immune system can then prepare defences against it, so that it can respond if it encounters the feature again.

Kind of like how in Star Wars Episode 4 the Rebel Alliance was able to blow up the first Death Star because they had the blueprints and could see from those how to defeat it.

surprised12 · 28/12/2021 18:10

@HacerSonarSusPasos

You ask how do we know that there will be no side effects years from now on babies whose mothers got vaccinated.

But let me ask you this - how do we know there will be no lasting damage or side effects layer on on babies whose mothers got Covid during the pregnancy? We already know covid causes preterm birth. Isn't it likely the effects of the infection could be far more reaching than that? We don't know this either, although it's a distinct probability, but somehow that doesn't concern you at all, does it?

And think of all the experimental drugs you would be subjected to if you caught covid while pregnant. Covid treatment protocols change all the time are are still trial and error with newly developed drugs and therapies. Would you question how new and untested those treatments were when your life is on the line? Or is it just the vaccine that you deem "new" and "not thoroughly tested"?

Surely you can see the cognitive dissonance in that!

Well - if something happens to me, I'm sure that will make you happy by the sounds of it - you'll be able to sit on your high horse and say 'I told you so'

I haven't said anywhere that I think it's not been tested enough - I was being honest about the thing that worried me from having the vaccine.

There is not one person on this app that would deliberately put their babies life at risk - we are all just trying to do the best thing we can.

Apologies for not being first in the queue for a vaccine, but in my mind I have every right to hesitate and get advice before I do so.

I wish I'd never posted on this thread and just waited to ask my midwife these questions - it would have saved me the upset.

Inabitoftime · 28/12/2021 18:15

@physicskate too many armchair experts who don’t understand the vaccine and make up their own opinions on it. Science doesn’t work like that. At this point I think mumsnet should be deleting posts that spread misinformation and lies even if the poster truly believes them.

ayylauren · 28/12/2021 18:16

@Farrowblue

My best advise to you is to stay active, ensure you boost your immune system with nutritious food and don’t stress yourself out. Gather as much information yourself as you can so you can make an informed decision yourself. Don’t go onto mumsnet for information, the majority of people on here spew nonsense, 99% of which has no legitimate evidence.
There's a hell of a lot of women on here who personally know cases of women who have contracted covid, had their babies delivered via c section whilst in a coma, and not lived to meet their baby. Hardly "nonsense".
HacerSonarSusPasos · 28/12/2021 18:16

I haven't said anywhere that I think it's not been tested enough - I was being honest about the thing that worried me from having the vaccine.*

And I'm just pointing out that it doesn't make sense to worry about vaccination effects years down the road, but not about the potential lasting damage of Covid infection, when the truth is we don't have much data on either. That was your main objection to the vaccine.

AutumnAnn · 28/12/2021 18:29

My daughter was born in June so I was pregnant for a lot of the lockdowns, I'm still unvaccinated, i do have multiple underlying health conditions but my pregnancy was completely healthy, my daughter was born at 39 weeks, completely healthy, she's my 2nd child, No one in our household is vaccinated and non of us have ever caught covid.

dittheringdoldrums · 28/12/2021 18:48

@surprised12

Can I ask a question without getting slammed - and it's just a genuine question. How do we know (I'm no professional or expert) that there won't be any longer term effects on our babies from having the vaccine during our pregnancies. Yes, it's great to get through the 9 months and have a safe and healthy baby. But how do we know for sure that when they are 2,3,4,5 years old - something won't come to light that was caused by the vaccine??

It's personal choice IMO, I avoided the vaccine because I've been trying for a baby, and have read a lot of articles about womens who's fertility has seemingly been effected by the vaccine. Now that I am pregnant, those worries change into what if I effect them in later life with the vaccine?
We can all think 'what if', and I'm sure if something happens that I potentially would regret not having the vaccine....
I have already had covid, so I do think I have some immunity currently, and work from home so have limited exposure to contracting it.

Each to their own, but I do plan to get some more advice from my midwife and GP to decide whether I will get it at some point.

Can you link to the articles that suggest the vaccine have directly affected their fertility?
Inabitoftime · 29/12/2021 11:57

@surprised12

How do we know (I'm no professional or expert) that there won't be any longer term effects on our babies from having the vaccine during our pregnancies

Vaccines only have short term effects. There is no plausible mechanism whereby the vaccine could impact a child years down the line. As you said you are not an expert so it’s difficult for you to understand. However the scientists who are experts do understand hence why they recommend the vaccine in pregnancy

been trying for a baby, and have read a lot of articles about womens who's fertility has seemingly been effected by the vaccine

There is no plausible mechanism through which the vaccine can affect fertility. This theory originated with a conspiracy that the vaccine was designed to cause mass sterilisation of humanity. Many women have had changes to their periods as a result of the vaccine. Your period is not indicative of your fertility.

Scirocco · 29/12/2021 12:06

@dittheringdoldrums

There's no clinical evidence of any long-term impact on fertility and no plausible mechanism by which the vaccines could have such an effect.

I think the reason for the concerns about this is that a small number of women have reported disruption of their menstrual cycle in the few months following vaccination. This isn't a new phenomenon - it can occur with many vaccines and with many situations in which people are mounting an immune response to something. The basic explanation is that the body is focusing on the immune response, so things like reproductive cycles don't have the same priority for a little bit - once the body has figured out the immune response, normal service is resumed. This can also happen with flu vaccines, vaccines for travelling abroad, mild infections, etc... It can be frustrating for people TTC but it's not a lasting obstacle. Most people don't experience it at all, and people who do tend to find their cycles are back to normal in a couple of months.

COVID, however, does have effects on fertility for men and women, and can linger in tissues for a long time (recent data suggests it can still be detected after a year!). One of the receptors it uses to gain entry to cells is widely expressed in reproductive tissues. COVID infection can cause temporarily reduced production of functional sperm, temporary reduction in AMH level (a marker of ovarian function), etc. While these effects are also considered likely to be temporary, they can be much longer-lasting and there is much less data about how they resolve.

Basically, vaccines = no evidence of lasting effects on fertility although a small number of women may have altered cycles for a couple of months; COVID = evidence of effects on fertility which seem to resolve in time but we need more data to know the longer-term effects.

Flowersandthings · 29/12/2021 12:32

I was hesitant OP but I got mine done. My best friend who was unvaccinated nearly died after she had her baby (went in with covid, had the baby, got really sick) and there are countless stories like that. I delayed to the end of the first trimester. It was maybe irrational...but there you go.

dittheringdoldrums · 29/12/2021 20:28

@Inabitoftime and @Scirocco, I wonder if@surprised12 will come back to counter your posts with all these articles she's read about covid affecting fertility. I suspect not.

dittheringdoldrums · 29/12/2021 20:28

[quote dittheringdoldrums]**@Inabitoftime* and @Scirocco, I wonder if*@surprised12 will come back to counter your posts with all these articles she's read about covid affecting fertility. I suspect not. [/quote]
@surprised12

Dottyteapot · 30/12/2021 12:45

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-59817276

Todays news- this is heartbreaking to read, another baby left motherless due to her being unvaccinated.

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