Unvaccinated

[Alisha32]

Is anyone unvaccinated and pregnant?

@AllSinging

Bloody hell! It’s amazing how people have opinions on other peoples decisions! Since when has it been okay to be rude over someone’s medical information? Never! Everyone has the right to make their own decisions based on the research they have done. Just because someone hasn’t had the Covid vaccination, does not make them an antivax ffs. I didn’t have the test for TB antibody prior to falling pregnant which means that I possibly may not have immunity, are you all going to hate on me!? At the end of the day, it’s still a vaccination. It really pisses me off. Stop creating divides between people and ultimately being rude to women who have made their own decisions, which they have a right to.

Would you say the same about a woman who smokes and drinks during pregnancy? Or are we supposed to not have an opinion on that decision either???

No. This week I am getting my booster and then will have had all 3 during pregnancy

Well I was pregnant during the first wave as were many other women and the vaccine did not exist then. I did not feel particularly fearful and there was not huge news stories about great numbers of pregnant women contracting covid and dropping dead, so I don't think it would be the worst thing you could do to be unvaxxed.

On the other hand, you're much more likely to get covid these days as we're not locked down and it's rife in the community, albeit mainly with mild symptoms. It's a risk to remain unvaxxed, just like anything in pregnancy, and you've to make your decision based on what level of risk you can comfortably live with. I'm pregnant again now and vaccinated but I'm likely not going to get the booster.

[quote Inabitoftime]@Alychloe apologies please disregard my previous message. I just saw you referred to doing your own research outside the ‘mainstream media’ 😂😂😂[/quote]
Funny you should mention that, since when I asked her to share her sources with me, @alychloe sent me this article, which proves the opposite of what she was claiming 😂

jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784193#.YcjXIPzgvq4.twitter

A COVID-19 vaccine was received within 28 days prior to an index date among 8.0% of ongoing pregnancy periods vs 8.6% of spontaneous abortions (Table 1). Spontaneous abortions did not have an increased odds of exposure to a COVID-19 vaccination in the prior 28 days compared with ongoing pregnancies

So pardon me if I'm skeptical about her medical credentials if she has such a poor comprehension of a medical study.

If you're going to spew antivaxx silliness, at least fully read your sources first!

@HacerSonarSusPasos completely different! Smoking and drinking in pregnancy and having a vaccine which lets face it isn't really doing what is says on the box and has not been around for very long is two completely different things, also it is people like you and all the other pushy mums on here that makes me firmly want to stay unvaccinated

[quote reremum2b]@HacerSonarSusPasos completely different! Smoking and drinking in pregnancy and having a vaccine which lets face it isn't really doing what is says on the box and has not been around for very long is two completely different things, also it is people like you and all the other pushy mums on here that makes me firmly want to stay unvaccinated [/quote]
I was simply pointing out that you were being disingenuous to feign surprise that it's acceptable to have an opinion on other people's choices. Because most people would not hesitate to pass judgement if it was any other risky behaviour, but vaccination status is somehow taboo and very much different? No, it isn't. No matter how you spin it.

And don't try to suggest I am in any way responsible for your foolish choices in this matter.

[quote reremum2b]@HacerSonarSusPasos completely different! Smoking and drinking in pregnancy and having a vaccine which lets face it isn't really doing what is says on the box and has not been around for very long is two completely different things, also it is people like you and all the other pushy mums on here that makes me firmly want to stay unvaccinated [/quote]
Go you @reremum2b put yourself and your baby at risk of hospitalisation! That’ll show those pushy mums 🙄

There's a lot of data now that demonstrates they are safe in pregnancy (if anyone mentions thalidomide which was many decades ago when science wasn't as it is now), and increasing data to show the risk to pregnant women. I'd guess like anything else people think it won't happen to them, or that they'll be fine if they do catch it. It's selfish to put your unborn baby at risk because you don't understand data or 'trust' science, but it is someone's right.

[quote reremum2b]@HacerSonarSusPasos completely different! Smoking and drinking in pregnancy and having a vaccine which lets face it isn't really doing what is says on the box and has not been around for very long is two completely different things, also it is people like you and all the other pushy mums on here that makes me firmly want to stay unvaccinated [/quote]
How exactly is it 'not doing what it says on the box'?
The whole point is to reduce symptoms which I firmly believe it is. Especially as someone who caught Covid at 33 weeks pregnant, double vaccinated and had bare minimum symptoms whilst my friend who also caught it had to be on oxygen monitors because she hadn't been vaxed 🤷🏻‍♀️

@surprised12

Can I ask a question without getting slammed - and it's just a genuine question. How do we know (I'm no professional or expert) that there won't be any longer term effects on our babies from having the vaccine during our pregnancies. Yes, it's great to get through the 9 months and have a safe and healthy baby. But how do we know for sure that when they are 2,3,4,5 years old - something won't come to light that was caused by the vaccine??

It's personal choice IMO, I avoided the vaccine because I've been trying for a baby, and have read a lot of articles about womens who's fertility has seemingly been effected by the vaccine. Now that I am pregnant, those worries change into what if I effect them in later life with the vaccine?
We can all think 'what if', and I'm sure if something happens that I potentially would regret not having the vaccine....
I have already had covid, so I do think I have some immunity currently, and work from home so have limited exposure to contracting it.

Each to their own, but I do plan to get some more advice from my midwife and GP to decide whether I will get it at some point.

How do you know they new biscuit you tried from the shop whilst pregnant won't affect your baby in years to come? How do you know taking paracetamol for a headache whilst pregnant won't affect your baby?

How do you know what literally anything you are ingesting, doing, acting on won't affect your baby in years to come?

I'm always baffled at the people who so strongly question what's in the vaccine but happily eat/drink/take other things and believe the ingredients in them

@surprised12 - we know that there is no effect on the foetus because the vaccine never leaves the muscle in your arm. It doesn't enter the bloodstream and it certainly doesn't cross to the placenta.

It's only antibodies that may pass to the foetus. This can happen from being infected with covid 19 while pregnant too, but with the hugely lower risk of mortality or morbidity (which is already reasonably low, but unpredictable and random).

[quote physicskate]@surprised12 - we know that there is no effect on the foetus because the vaccine never leaves the muscle in your arm. It doesn't enter the bloodstream and it certainly doesn't cross to the placenta.

It's only antibodies that may pass to the foetus. This can happen from being infected with covid 19 while pregnant too, but with the hugely lower risk of mortality or morbidity (which is already reasonably low, but unpredictable and random). [/quote]
The vaccine doesn't leave your arm?? This has confused me even more - how does it protect you from covid if it doesn't leave your arm??

@surprised12, it doesn't need to leave your arm because it just needs to be detected by your immune cells so that they can learn to produce the right antibodies for this pathogen.

From the CDC website:
The mRNA will enter the muscle cells and instruct the cells’ machinery to produce a harmless piece of what is called the spike protein. The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19. After the protein piece is made, our cells break down the mRNA and remove it.

The fact that you don't know that shows how little you've actually researched...

@surprised12 - isn't that the whole point???!?! You and I don't and can't know as much as experts. We go by their guidance and consensus.... not by the google doctors or 'pushy mumsnetters' 🙄 but by what people who do this all day for their whole lives say.

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html

You are advocating against vaccination when you don't have a clue how they work. Irresponsible.

The mRNA vaccines do not contain any live virus. Instead, they work by teaching our cells to make a harmless piece of a “spike protein,” which is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19. After making the protein piece, cells display it on their surface. Our immune system then recognizes that it does not belong there and responds to get rid of it.

What a horrible thread this is.

@surprised12

What a horrible thread this is.

How so?

I hope you all feel good for being judgy and awful to someone who literally asked for advice.

Your posts say not to use Google, I'm not speaking to my midwife until tomorrow, I asked a question and get jumped on - where am I supposed to start getting information from when your all so awful to people who genuinely don't know.

I joined this app to get support during what is the most worrying time, not to end up feeling awful.

I found out I was pregnant just over 1 week ago, how can I be branded as 'irresponsible' for not having a vaccine yet that I know nothing about.

Awful people.

@surprised12 I don't know if you've seen my earlier post to you, but if you haven't, I'd suggest looking at the RCOG website. They have lots of reliable information available which might help you come to a decision.

where am I supposed to start getting information from when your all so awful to people who genuinely don't know

From the professionals whose main aim is the safety and welbeing of mothers and newborns:

www.rcog.org.uk/en/guidelines-research-services/guidelines/coronavirus-pregnancy/covid-19-virus-infection-and-pregnancy/

You ask how do we know that there will be no side effects years from now on babies whose mothers got vaccinated.

But let me ask you this - how do we know there will be no lasting damage or side effects layer on on babies whose mothers got Covid during the pregnancy? We already know covid causes preterm birth. Isn't it likely the effects of the infection could be far more reaching than that? We don't know this either, although it's a distinct probability, but somehow that doesn't concern you at all, does it?

And think of all the experimental drugs you would be subjected to if you caught covid while pregnant. Covid treatment protocols change all the time are are still trial and error with newly developed drugs and therapies. Would you question how new and untested those treatments were when your life is on the line? Or is it just the vaccine that you deem "new" and "not thoroughly tested"?

Surely you can see the cognitive dissonance in that!

That was for @surprised12, btw

[quote Scirocco]@surprised12 I don't know if you've seen my earlier post to you, but if you haven't, I'd suggest looking at the RCOG website. They have lots of reliable information available which might help you come to a decision.[/quote]
Thank you - I've saved the link to have a read through x