TTC graduate sweep stake... Greedy or Honey next?!!

[fettleandbabyfettle]

as suggested by honey!!!

be thinking of you at 1.20pm greeds! my money is on you beating honey by the way!!

xxx

Great news, Mrs!

Sleep well all!
xxx

Thanks for your words Greedy - your explanation made perfect sense!!! would it also explain why she screams blue murder in the pushchair/pram/carseat Thing is, DD1 was EXACTLY the same, so don't know why I'm stressing about it - it's just the way I breed 'em i guess! It'll all be sorted in 4.5 months anyway (DD1 came out of the bath one night at 9 months and was from that moment on, a changed baby!)

Mrs - good news on the scan! Sucking fingers - sweet!

I made two fatal errors yesterday. I told you lot that Isla was only waking once in the night again, and i told DP how proud I was that Isla has only had one cold so far (maybe that's cos we don't leave the house though ).... so guess what? Never seen such a crusty snot-filled nose poor thing, and as a result, up at 1.30 and 5.30 [groan] Just goes to show, you must NEVER say these things out loud!

Catching up

Chooster ? I know we have spoken about your worries about your DH?s impatience with DS1 before and that it upsets you I suspect that I am the one, rather than my DH who will ?lose the rag? I so hope I can stop and think how counter productive it is ? both of my parents have short tempers and we quick to shout and smack, I don?t want to be that type of parent is the toddler behaviour book helping? Poor Theo with more jags Nicer up here today but chilly

I meant to ask, is anyone having their baby given a BCG? My sisters and I got these as babies because we lived in risk countries and my nephews have had them because of their vicinity to Heathrow. I think I would like Beanie to have one seeing as we are going to the BVI and Spain when s/he is so young and because TB is on the increase again but I haven?t researched it properly yet.

Honey glad to hear things are calming down with the bleeding really good point you made about making up in front of kids, my folks always did the arguing in front of us and the making up behind closed doors meaning that we worried ourselves to sleep thinking they?d get divorced Dexter sounds like he?s thriving!

Iampg ? sorry about the sad funeral I know what you mean about being in an emotional state though, I was in tears in the post office queue today as Westlife?s new video for ?Home? was on the TV (without sound!) I was so embarrassed! I feel bad for implying the NCT teacher was narrow minded she actually sent me an email today saying ?I completely understand your well-thought-through decision to go to St John's for your birth. I'm so pleased you've been able to reason it out so clearly and make the decision that it best for you. I think you hit the nail on the head on Sunday when you said that it's not only a matter of choosing a suitable place to give birth -- that you can give birth anywhere if you have the right resources (assertiveness, support, etc etc.)? might have been helpful if she?d said that in the class though! can we do the massage from the outside?! No wonder you have a short fuse in those living conditions ? how long until things are a bit more sorted?

Greedy ? as if I would send you to dodgy websites! interesting about the CO

Fettle ? glad things worked out will with the chat with DH and that Daddy is back in DD?s good books

Bodkin ? can I ask a stupid question? how did you find out that Isla likes to sleep on her front? Can she roll over now? (I know nothing) hope Isla is feeling better soon

My message yesterday should have said ?above average? still measuring about a week ahead and above 50th percentile

Firsty, Buggymad, KitKat, Ready, Rah and Seaside ? if you are all out there, hello

Oh Rah ? couldn?t find your email address

Mrs - not a stupid question at all! Well, put it this way, when she was really tiny, she slept any old way for the first 2 weeks (happy on her side, back, in my arms etc.etc.) but after about 2 weeks, she just would not settle any other way except if I put her on her tummy. My DD1 was exactly the same - they were both pretty colicky and I think the pressure on their tummies made them more comfy. Also, DD1 and now Isla - both very sicky babies, and I worried about them choking on vomit. It was not so long ago that we were ALL put to sleep on our tums, so I decided it was the best thing to do. We are not smokers, nor is the house very stuffy (old house, loads of draughts ) so I'm prepared to take the risk. it's not for everyone though, I know.

started on 'operation through the night' last night!!! marcy woke up at 2.30 after taking 7oz milk at 11pm so i knew she wasn't REALLY hungry, so i just tried to settle her without milk!!! ended up settling her and then she would wake up after 15mins or so so i would settle her again and she would drop off for 15 mins again! gave her some water about 4am and then finally gave in and gave her some milk about 5.30am! makes me sound really mean i know but she only took 2 oz when i did give her milk and then at 7am wasn't hungry at all so i know she didnt really need it in the night. i know this prob seems weird to all you BFers but when you can SEE how much they are drinking its different. she is gaining weight SO fast that i know she isnt going hungry! anyway..........i was basically up from 2.30 till 5.45 so i am KNACKERED today! serves me right hey for being so selfish! i will try again tonight though, and then wait and see what happens on sunday night, but i am not sure its going to work!!! i am getting desperate for a full nights sleep though! i am not good when i am constantly knackered. i sound horrible dont i? guess if i doesnt work i will just have to stay knackered!

bodders - at least you know the end is in sight with isla being unsettled. maybe once she can sit up she will be able to entertain herself a bit more?

mrs - glad your scan went well. you seem to be having lots of scans, is that because of your blood thing or are you paying for these extra ones?

what i meant was she is gaining so much weight each week that it isnt going to hurt her dropping a feed, did that make sense?

I think you're absolutely right Greedy. It does become habit for them to wake up, rather than really being hungry. Is she about 6 weeks now? I would think she should be able to go 7 hours without a feed, so go for it, especially as she is not exactly going to waste away! I don't wake Isla to feed her in the evening - just let her sleep until she wakes herself. i've found in the past if I do wake her to feed at say, 10.30 she just gets into a pattern of waking every 3 hours then. So I just leave her and she'll go from 7 through til at least 2am, but generally more like 3 or 4. Have you tried not doing an 11pm feed to see how long she goes? It sounds like madness, but you might be surprised! That way, if she does go through til 3 ish, if you get to bed early enough, you can catch a block of about 5 hours. Then you might be able to push that night feed later and later until she's going all the way through. Just another suggestion to try anyway. I think I'll carry on doing the night feeds until she's properly on solids (about 7 months) and then do what I did with DD1, which is basically, get the earplugs in and leave her to howl! None of this softly softly approach for me, i'm 'ard as nails

Yes - can't wait til she's sitting properly. We're doing a lot of "propping" at the moment in her inflatable playnest, with various cushions, and that keeps her entertained for all of 5 minutes...

Just back from NCT workshop, lots of food for thought as always a couple brought in their 2 weeks old baby girl to tell us about their experience to date ? she was gorgeous!!

Bodkin ? I was certainly a tummy sleeping baby when I was one, guess we all probably were!

Greedy ? hope you have more success with operation through the night yup, the scans are due to my ?condition? just one more now at 36 weeks ? 20/12

Hi everyone - need to do a catch up but too knackered from Xmas present wrapping!

We had our full day NCT yesterday - really good - such a nice group of people DH and I are enjoying them and they are certainly informative.

Feeling OK - bit anxious about Dave - I cannot figure out what position he is in but all my kicks are low down in leg/hip/groin area - I think he may be transverse rather than breech. I have virtually no movements above the belly button level so am worried he is too small/too low down/ amniotic fluid is too low etc etc - irrational I know

Iampg - So sorry about funeral hon {{hugs}}} I hope you and DP have given each other lots of support. Sympathising with the building work still - I have booked a date for carpets so must get work done here at our house by then! (Dec 12) arghhh! BTW I know exactly what you mean about feeling like you have been kicked in the fanjo!! - Mine is not like that all the time but quite often at some point during the day it is?? what's that all about!

Mrs -Good news about the scan hon and glad NCT teacher made it up to you - I am so confused about it where to have Dave still - we visit mw unit and hospital this week. Everyone keeps talking about how my experience is important but I cant help thinking it isn't really?? As long as me and Dave are safe I am not too bothered about "my experience" is that wrong??? I am sure I will not be making the decision until I go into labour probably!! Interesting thought about the BCG - I have not had one actually

greedy - good luck with "operation through the night - phase 2"!!

Bodkin- interesting about Isla's sleep positions - nice to have a more relaxed approach I think as first timers we can get so overtaken by "guidelines' -grrrrr.

Right - too tired - keep making mistakes - will be back soon for remainder of catch up!! - hope everyone gets some sleep tonight

Night night

Hi everyone, I hope you are doing ok.

I am just lurking for now because I've had some brownish dishcharge and period pains. Although lots of postings seem to suggest that you can go on to be fine after having this I am very nervous particularly as I still have minimal symptoms. Am trying to book in for an 8 week viability scan to see what's what but feeling a bit down about it all. Still should be very happy that I know it's possible to be pg which is a step forward from before.

Anyway enough about me, now I've found the thread again I can pop in and say hi and see how you are all getting on.

Aw, City - sorry to hear you're having some worries. How far along are you? I definitely had both of those symptoms with both of my pregnancies, and things have turned out fine, so try not to worry too much. It can usually happen around the time your period is due, so have a look at your dates and see if it could be that. I had some light brown bleeding and pains at about 12/13 weeks as well, so it can go on a bit throughout the first trimester. Fingers crossed everything is ok for you

Greedy - I just had to post again to clarify that I didn't mean that you were doing the softly softly approach - more the general consensus on Mumsnet as a whole which seems to be to co-sleep and have your baby snacking away on yer knockers all night long I'm pretty sure you are as hardarsed as me when it comes to getting them to sleep through! In fact, I am pretty close to stopping night feeds now, because last night she was a total pain. Woke at 4am (very good, no complaints there) but then it was like feeding a baby orangutang. Legs and arms everywhere, couldn't have swallowed more air if she'd tried and eventually threw the whole lot up again. So I'm starting to think she's just waking out of habit now, because when she is genuinely hungry she feeds pretty well.

Hope you all had good weekends

Also City - I never really had many early pregnancy symptoms either - sore boobs and a bit more hungry than usual were the only ones for me to start with. What do your boobs feel like if you give them a bit of a squeeze (I'm not a perve, honest ) if they feel a bit tender, that's a pretty good sign.

Oh city - am sorry you are worried, it really taks away from the early excitement doesn't it. Like most of the ladies here I didn't start really getting symptoms until probably about 6 weeks and then it seemed to build up. Fingers crossed everything is just fine but I think we can all understand why you feel the way you do at the moment.

Greeds - dont think you are mean at all. After all Marcy is your third so you do know what you are doing . I think as her mum you know her best and know what she needs / doesn't need. And like you say when they are bottle fed you can see just how much liquid is going in there... Good luck tonight (or was it last night??) Either way hope you are doing OK?? I was up myslef from about 1.30 until 6 ish this morning first with DS2 needing fed, then DS1 who just couldn't sleep, then DS2 who needed fed ( he probably didn't but I just wanted to settle him quick as I was TIRED!) then DS1 again then DS2 as he did a massive poo... Phew!!!!! Am knackered!!!

I'm with you Bodkin on night feeds - Whenever Theo has fed at 10 or 11 in the evening he ALWAYS wakes again after 3 hours, so I just let him go for as long as he can and its normally a good 8 hours or so. Except he has done his first (yes FIRST!!) through the night!!! Hoorrraaayyyy!!! It was after his injections on wednesday and some calpol but he went through til 7.15am. So injections and calpol every days from now on then .

Hey Mrs and Seaside - Glad to hear the NCT classes are going well!!! Nice to meet people in the same boat. We were the people who returned to another NCT class MrsMc when Max was about 2 or 3 weeks old and it was lovely to see then all coo-ing all over him - I was very proud!!! . Sorry for not returning your call, have been away for the weekend at my folks with no phone charger!!!

Anyway, thats the door bell.... back later

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Hiya all,

City- hope things settle down for you and you get a scan soon, fingers crossed that all is well.

Poor old Dexter has got an awful cold... was up most of last night cos he cant breathe properly and cant feed for long cos he cant breathe when he is sucking . I feel so sorry for him, it's horrid not being able to explain to them why they are feeling ill... he looks so sad, poor man . Also he has this gummy eye that just isnt getting better- Fettle, I remember Toby had the same- did you get something from the GP? I have been squirting him with breastmilk and cleaning with boiled water, but it's still gunky.

I am feeling better though, bleeding seems to have stopped (apart from the odd spot).

My SIL had her 22 week scan a few days ago, and a couple of cysts were seen in baby's brain- said it could be a marker for something, or nothing... horrible for her having to wait for 4 weeks to have another scan. Anyone had experience of this before? She is being amazingly philosophical about it all at the moment, but it must be worrying her.

Seaside- wrapping xmas pressies already! That is organised . Glad you enjoyed your NCT class. I think that when I had my first baby I was just like you about the birth. Didnt have any expectations of the 'experience'... just wanted my baby and me to be ok. I think it was only with Dexter that I wanted to have a truely postive birth experience, perhaps because he may be my last baby. I remember having a bit of an arguement with my sister who was PG at the same time about her 'birth plan'... saying that we didnt know what to expect and the only important thing was the safe arrival of baby. I still think this is the most important thing. My sis was a bit upset with me for belittling her plans, but she later agreed after 24hrs of labour and an emergency C section that you cant really plan birth.

Oh I am going on a bit, sorry!
Got to go pick up DC now, lots of love to all
xx

Not that I am against making a birth plan, very useful, but it is important not to get too rigid an idea of what you want to happen, cos it may well not happen that way... am I making sense???

hi ladies

greedy - your not a twat!!! oh god i feel bad now i hoped at 10/11 months id see oscars eyes light up seeing all the flashing lights and big smiles when he plays with the wrapping paper (of course i know he is soo not gonna be interested in what pressies he gets) but you all have reassured me that he will react to xmas which is really all id hoped for. glad operation "through the night" is in progress, i really hope it works for you!

fettle - glad you had a chat with dp about the shouting and he has taken your views on board. sounds like toby is letting you get some more sleep during the night too which is a bonus!!

hi seaside - sorry you are worrying yourself over dave, im sure if anything was wrong with daves size or your amount of fluid it really would have been picked up by now. he still has time to change position so dont stress yourself out hun xx are you actually calling him dave? as i said above about the kitchen, as soon as thats fitted which dp thinks it will be the following weekend we should be pretty much finished downstairs just in time for xmas so turkey is back on the menu for us - not pot noodle which we joked about!! after the new year dp will be working on oscars room so fingers crossed the nursery will be finished by the time he is here, although as long as the bulk part of the work is done im not too fussed about that as he will be in with us to start with. sounds like your building work is getting there too now you have the carpets ordered. regarding the fanjo football - i tend to just get that at night and first thing in the morning but during the day seems easier.

cityangel - nice to hear from you but sorry you are concerned about lack of symptoms and discharge be positive hun as already said the discharge could be just related to the time of your period aslong as its not bright red blood. my first pregnancy i had all the symptoms going and i lost that beanie but with this pregnancy i didnt even get sore boobs and sickness until later on, the only thing that kept me sane was all the positive tests i had! keep your chin up xx we are here if you need a chat xx

firststar - hello!! glad work has been good to you and i hope tys jabs go ok this week xx

honey and chooster hello to you and dexter and theo xxx hope you are all ok xx

bodkin - so pleased the CO was a bit of a help to you in more ways than one - that must have been one hefty wallet your dh has been carrying around - glad you helped him shift the load although id have tried to bag a new outfit out of him to as he was in the mood for spending i hope islas snotty nose is clearing up poor thing.

mrs - glad the nct leader ironed things out with an email. i havnt even given a bcg a thought, i have had one but i have not had it mentioned at all to me throughout my pregnancy. keep us posted on what you decide.really pleased your scan went well, do you get pictures everytime you have a scan too? our living conditions are slowly easing up, we still cant cook but downstairs is progressing rapidly. our kitchen arrives on the 7th dec i cant wait! will post pics when its all finished.

argghhh i hope i have sorted this post out ok i have just copied and pasted the wrong parts and all the posts got muddled up sorry if its all gobbledeygook!!

we are all fine here still working hard on house but getting there slowly. still havnt heard back from my midwife yet which is concerning me a little as its always a cover mw and i really need to to talk to mine who is off due to unforseen circumstances i hope at my 32 week check nextweek that whoever see can sort this homebirth lark out for me and get the ball rolling.

did any of you take raspberry leaf capsules before labour or considering it?

and whats arnica all about? i have heard a few people suggest it.

well time for tea now - cheese sandwiches mmm

Hey ladies

Hi Seaside I?ve been wrapping as I go along too! Glad you are enjoying your NCT classes and the people there too. Try not to worry about Dave hon I have never had kicks above the belly button either and Beanie has always been head down so far with his/her body to the left or to the right with legs flipped over hence the low kicks, I am sure it?s better than suffering the rib kicks. That said, they still have plenty of time to get into a good position, my consultant told me on Thursday not to even think about it until 36 weeks as you just can?t tell. Hope your tours go well you are totally right, at the end of the day what is important is that you and Dave are fine but I guess, there are degrees of that and hopefully, you?d be fine wherever you were to give birth, I think it is a question of instinct at the end of the day.

Cityangel ? thinking about you hon, the first weeks are so hard, sending hugs. Try not to worry, I had spotting and cramps at your stage too. Hope you get the scan for reassurance, come and talk anytime, many of us have been through this too. I didn?t get symptoms beyond sore boobs until 12 weeks or so and then I was pretty sick for a few x.

Bodkin ? sorry Isla was so active in the night! LOL at you asking about CA?s boobs, of course we know what you meant

Chooster sorry you had a bad night with your boys LOL at the injections and calpol to get through the night I can just see you inspiring the NCT newbies with Max

Hey Firsty, busy lady hope it?s all going well

Honey Poor Dexter so glad you are feeling better though. Your poor SIL I have nothing to draw on to help with at all, I so hope all is fine though. Agree with you about Birth Plans, it?s more the thought and understanding of what does and can happen that is useful than setting anything in stone ? I guess it?s a case of getting your head round it and then your body can follow suit

DH and I decided yesterday to cancel our Doula. Three reasons really, firstly, financial, it costs a lot and if we don?t really need to do it then it?s better to use it for other things but the two most important points were 1) she wasn?t going to be available for the whole ?birth period? and we hadn?t met or discussed alternatives and I didn?t like the idea of an uncertainty on the day, I?d rather know for sure that it?s just DH and I, does that make sense? Also and positively, 2) DH and I are beginning to feel that we can face together anything that is thrown at us and I do think he?ll be a fabulous support

Hi

Just thought i would drop in and tell you im having a little girl, after the 3 boys! i am very shocked still as i only found out on thursday. baby really wanted to show us

Hope all is well.

well, operation 'through the night' has been half a success!!! marcy woke last night at 4am but didnt want feeding at all. i actually tried giving her milk straight away and she kept pushing the bottle out so i just cuddled her and grinned at her stupidly for a while ( she was giving me the most amazing smiles and how are you supposed to ignore them and do the whole 'no eye contact, no stimulating' thing hey!) and then put her back down. so she still woke up but only to grin at me! she has caught kiki's cold today though so i reckon i could be up all night tonight with her anyway !!!(marcy, not kiki, although probably both of them if i get unlucky!)
kiki did just ask me to sleep in her bed with her tonight so i could look after her and so she could kiss and cuddle me all night!!...........sounds cute, but not if you saw the amount of snot pouring from her nose!!! but she doesnt normally ask me that, so she must be feeling a bit rough!

city - i know its prob not much of a consolation, but i have bled with all 3 pgs too. and this time it was lots of blood and clots, the works. i was convinced i had miscarried but i hadn't. but then on the otherhand i know bleeding can mean bad news so i am not saying dont worry. is there an EPU near to you where you can get a scan before 8 wks?

bodders - my dh does the 11pm feed so that is why we are keeping it up. with my ds he started slleping through from 11 - 7am and then a few weeks later me and dh had friends round and had too much to drink so couldn't be arsed to wake him up at 11pm and left him to see what time he would wake up in the hope that we would have sobered up a bit and he just slept through till 7am. so i know what you mean about being suprised, sometimes they do surprise you dont they?! we actually did EXACTLY the same with dd1 and she went through then too, so i am hopeful of a repeat again this time!!

chooster - i love your method of getting theo to sleep through.................. thats one i havent tried yet, jabs and calpol!!!

honey - sorry about sil, how scary for her and how crap having to wait to find out whats going on. fingers crossed for her. sorry little dex has a cold too ( do you ever call him dex? i find myself calling marcy, 'marcy moo' all the time, i just dont seem to be able to stop myself...........my other two were 'ellis McPellis' and 'kiki cockaleekie'!!!!! still are most of the time actually! poor kids hey!
so dexter 'may' be your last baby hey? that DEFINATELY means you will have another one!!!

seaside - i agree with honeyapple on the whole birth plan thing. dont get too set on wanting everything to go a certain way or get too hung up on a birth plan cos then you might be disappointed when it doesnt go according to plan. a general birth plan is better than a really detailed essay of a plan! my friend who is a mw told me that if they see a birth plan that is too long or detailed they just laugh at it and ignore it !!!

crossed with EVERYONE!!!

iampg - arnica is for bruising and is meant to help your bits recover after the birth! its a herbal remedy, but a very well researched one that works!

mrs - i am sure cancelling your doula is the best move! you seem to know everything there is to know about giving birth and dh will be really clued up too, so i am SURE if anyone can face it together its you two! and i dont even know you!! but i KNOW you will be fine!! save your money for cute baby clothes and wine once the babies born!!! you have a lot of merlot to catch up on!!!

hey scorpio - FAB news!!! girls are great!!! ( mind you, boys are too!!!) you can go and start buying some pretty little pink numbers now!!

Hi girls

I'm on my own again tonight, so very quickly on here, as both little angels are asleep - not holding out much hope that Toby stays asleep for long. He doesn't really finally settle until between 8-9pm. Given up waking him for a feed when I go to bed, as is the same with others, I've noticed he actually goes longer if I don't wake him. Hoping for another relatively good night tonight?! not saying anything outloud, as I've learnt from Bodder's mistake!!!

Anyway, quickly what I can remember from my quick scan, I'll catch up properly if he doesn't wake immediately!!

Honey - I was given chloramphenicol eye drops for Toby's eye. The infection spread to the other eye pretty quickly and with hindsight I wished I'd just treated the other eye prophylactically! I was also told to wash his eye with salt solution (I think 1 tsp in 1 pint of cooled boiled water, but do check that out with someone!) It was pretty horrible doing it to him - he really didn't want to open his eyes, so we had to force him. Particularly in the middle of the night (you have to put the eye drops in 4 times a day, so have to do a middle of night application, but luckily he was waking around 12-1am at that time regularly!). Hope everything else is going ok with Dexter - how are DS1 and DD taking to him?

Firsty - so good to hear from you. Glad to hear that going back to work has been better than expected, but still really hard I bet! How's big little Ty getting on? Rolling over yet? You've already started weaning haven't you? Well giving him rusks, or has my brain completely left me now! Realised that we must have weaned DD pretty early as she was eating carrot puree on her Christening Day which was mid to late August, so she must have been 4.5 months - seems really early now to me, but I must have known what I was doing at the time!!

Greedy - I hope the fact we've not heard from you since Saturday doesn't mean that Operation through the night has left you totally exhausted! I really wouldn't have the energy. Toby's done 6/7 hour stretches recently and both he and my boobs are so desperate to feed, that I'm pretty sure that he wants it! How's DD1? Is she still playing up, or back to her angelic self?

Mrs - probably a good decision re the Doula. So glad that you are feeling more confident re your birth. I think you'll be absolutely fine. Nothing can prepare you for your own personal labour experience as everyone's birth is entirely different. Both mine were very different, although had similar parts, such as the drip etc. Can't believe how soon it is getting - what's your actual due date again? It's very early Jan isn't it? I'm going to miss it - I'll have to try and log on lots while I'm away! Glad the NCT teacher came to her senses - she obviously went away and thought about it all, if she sent you an e-mail afterwards.

Seaside - I'm sure Dave is fine, but do mention any worries to your MW. You should be able to phone for advice in between appointments too, if you are really worried. Best to get reassurance if necessary. Having said that I felt most of my kicks down low, but I did have full somersault-type movements that did involve my whole stomach, but I think later than you are now. Glad you're having good NCT classes. Do I remember correctly that you've had to join classes quite far from home? Do any of the couples live near you? I'm really suffering from having moved in late pregnancy and not knowing anyone round here with similar aged babies. I've met a good few mothers from DD's school who are all lovely, but most are a bit older and completed their families with their now 3-4 yr olds. I have rung our local NCT group, but the local bumps & babes coffee morning doesn't run regularly and everything else Toby seems to be a bit young still to join. Apparently it is not normal to be wanting to be out and about while your baby is still so young!

Iampg - sorry your MW is being so crap! Never tried raspberry leaf anything, I'm afraid. I've heard arnica mentioned, but only be people having elective/planned ceasarians - assume it decreases swelling/bruising etc if you take it then. not sure how it would help with vaginal births. I remember those kicks down-below. Felt like he was trying to kick his way out at times! But he was head down - MW said that it was likely to be his head bouncing on my pelvic floor - pretty weird feeling I remember!

Scorpio - great news on the girl - can thoroughly recommend them - although I'm really enjoying my boy this time around too!!

Cityangel - as everyone else has said - try not to worry, although having had 2 mcs myself I know how difficult that can be! Brown blood generally is better than red blood, but I've had good and bad experiences with both red and brown blood in all 4 of my pg. The lack of symptoms at this stage really doesn't mean anything. If I was ever worried that my boobs didn't seem to hurt anymore, I put on a slightly too small bra for the day and then revelled in the reassuring agony when I took it off at night. I didn't feel sick or anything til around 8 weeks time around. If you have a local EPU try and get an early scan. Some places are self-referral, others you need to go to your GP first, but most will offer you a scan if you've had any spotting. Also don't worry about period pains, totally normal to feel them at this stage. It is just your uterus and ligaments expanding. I was terrified at the start of this pg as I had really bad period pains for the first couple of weeks and just thought that was bad news.

Chooster - well done Theo on sleeping through the night - although I think injections and calpol is a bit extreme!! Just realised that Toby has his 2nd set of injections 2 days before we fly to France and his 3rd, 3 days before his Christening. hope he's not badly affected by them. The first set seemed to affect him the day after, when he was really grizzly and warm all day - although calpol helped him calm down. Might see if I can move them forward by a day, just to give him another day to recover before his first flight. Anyway, how is he otherwise? how you are getting on? how's DS1's behaviour? Is he getting any better? I think I've said that DD is much happier currently - still has her moments though!

Bodders - how you and your girls doing? Any change in Isla since the head-squeezing?! Toby's a side-sleeper, not quite on his tummy and does tend to roll onto his back when in a deep sleep with his arms thrown above his head in that "I surrender" pose!!.

Actually that reminds me, I've been meaning to tell you all for ages, but most of the babies on here will be too old, but you pregnant ones take note! My paediatric nurse friend (Marcy's mummy!) told me a secret trick for settling babies. When you put them down in their cot/basket once you've settled them in your arms, if you hold the side of their head and put your other hand on their tummies, they will generally resettle themselves. It was amazing watching Toby, as he half-woke up and tensed himself and then relaxed visibly and fell back to sleep as you just supported him in this way. Very useful tip to have been given! luckily toby has just found his thumb over the weekend and now if he wakes up, he stuffs it in his mouth sucks away and falls back to sleep - never had a self-settling baby! Find it a bit weird! But he does still need quite a bit of help going to sleep in the evenings - hope he gets better. We've still not started on a proper evening routine, as we're waiting until we're back from holiday in January.

We're all well here, although all fighting yet another winter illness! Toby is so cute when he coughs and sneezes, but his poor eye has been watering all day and DD has been complaining of a sore throat and her voice has gone on holiday apparently!! Still manages to make quite a bit of noise though even though she is very croaky! Toby is feeding better again and the screaming does seem to be easing. Haven't used the gaviscon for a while, which is good. He's growing out of 3-6 month babygros and vests, so he's like DD and is going to be tall, but don't know why I'm surprised at that. They don't measure babies round here, so I don't actually know how long he is.

Well - you can tell, he hasn't woken up yet! So i'm off to make a drink and then try and do some tidying of the sitting-room. In a fit of madness DH and I decided to throw a party next weekend, just an afternoon type of affair on Sunday to meet our neighbours, but we've invited other friends who live in a 30 mile radius as well, so how have about 35 adults, 8 1-8 year olds and 3 babies to entertain and our house is in a state at the moment. Just heard it is due to be pouring with rain, so can't even use the garden! Sure it seemed like a good idea at time!

Take care all
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oops that was a mammoth post and I crossed wiht your Greedy in the meantime!!

Toby is waking now as well!

Glad OTTN had gone well Greedy! I feed Toby in the dark by the light of my mobile phone to latch him on, to avoid any nightime eye contact!!! Couldn't not smile at him, if I saw any - he's been so smiley this afternoon, which is lovely!! not the most smiley baby in the world normally, probably as he's asleep so much, but he has been more awake the last few days!

Right, really must go now!!!
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Blimey Fettle - that was an impressive post!
Glad to hear your DD is more like her old self again, and Toby sounds positively angelic, settling to bed at 9pm of an evening at this age! I think Isla was up and feeding/screaming until about 10 weeks. Great news about the thumb sucking too - Isla does sort of suck hers, or her fingers, but i'm not sure if it's just a teething thing atm. What she really likes doing is reaching out and grabbing a bib, or a muslin that I happen to have left lying next to her and having a good old chomp on that! Good luck with your "meet the neighbours" party - I'm sure it will be great, if a little exhausting!

Chooster - what a result on the jabs/Calpol combo! Funnily enough, Isla slept for 2 hours in the buggy after hers (she normally only catnaps in it whilst it is moving, waking the minute it slows/stops) so it must make them sleepy i guess, but other than that, no other side effects, which was a pleasant surprise.

Greedy - OTTN is producing some good results then! Funny what you say about pet names for the babies (love Kiki cockaleekie ) Isla gets called Isla Bila, Isla Delilah, Baby Boo Boo (DD1s name for her) and miserable little sh*tbag (my special name for her )

Firsty - howdy there! Glad to hear work is not too stressful and you're coping with things well.

MrsMc - That's lovely what you said about your 2nd reason for cancelling the Doula - Go Team McJnr!!

Iampg - good news that the kitchen will be ready in time for Chrimbo - mind you, I'm quite partial to a Pot Noodle!

Honeyapple - that's terrible about your SIL, what an awful wait to have to go through. Hope things are ok for her. Sorry to hear Dexter is snotty - it's grim for them isn't it.

Scorpio - fab news that you're having a pink one! Congrats! Girls are great!

We've got another CO session tomorrow, not that we've seen any improvement since last week, but I feel strangely (and annoyingly) optimistic that it will turn her into a lovely chilled out little baby that I might be able to take out in public Will let you know how it goes.