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'BREECH WATCH' !!

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Hopeitwontbebig · 06/08/2007 21:16

So who's breech at the moment and how many weeks are you?

I'm 33+1 and I don't reckon this LO will turn!

Will keep you updated

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MrsMar · 22/08/2007 17:58

Nettee... It could just be me being bloody minded! It is wierd, I might just give them a ring at the start of next week and see if they agree with not seeing me until 38 weeks. I think if there's any question of the position I'd rather do something about it before it's too late, ie 38 weeks.

Meanwhile I'm on my hands and knees with bum in the air... blimey I'd forgotten how uncomfortable that position is! My ribs feel like they're going to split apart and my stomach is practically coming out of my mouth!!

orangecat · 22/08/2007 21:01

Had PC problems for the last 2 days, but wanted to ask again if anybody can recognise where my baby is now. It has definitely moved, as head is no longer on the right under my ribs and bump has changed shape. Got v excited thinking it had turned, then had kicks really low down Now can't feel anything hard below ribs, and movement all across the middle/ low down. Might he be transverse?

Haven't got another midwife appointment for 2/3 weeks and am feeling v impatient to know!

I still would recommend people consider ECV. I must say I had exactly the same thoughts about c-s first time around - was happily thinking that i had the perfect excuse to have one! In the end I did try the ECV, which was absolutely fine. No need at all for gas and air, and more discomfort than pain. They did say in scan there was loads of fluid and baby average size, so suspect this helped.

Having been throught normal delivery, I would now do anything to avoid a c-s!

dal21 · 23/08/2007 09:08

Here is a question for all you ladies with bubs still breech. Have been reading up on why babies are breech and the complimentary medical people link it to anxities in the mother. i.e. fear of birth, not wanting the baby to arrive etc.
I really dont think that is the case with me at all.....does anyone else have any of these feelings?

Sorry if random question - I normally am very open minded about complimentary medicine and think it has a lot to tell us, but think this one is a little wrong....

dal21 · 23/08/2007 09:48

here is a really comprehensive link on breech for those interested...is an australian website but has lots on breech births on it.

breech births

Hopeitwontbebig · 23/08/2007 12:46

Thanks for that dal, I'll have a look at the link in a minute. I don't think there is any rthym or reason as to why babies are breech, I know lots of people who have had one ceph baby and one breech etc.

MrsMar, hmm, I know what you mean, sometimes it's really hard for the midwife to tell my palpation alone what position bub is in, I was actually quite surprised at how sure they were when they examined me on Tuesday, all the other examinations I've had have been along the lines of, 'we think' the baby is still breech, what do you think. In other words, sometimes Mum is the best person to know. From what I've read, the head is normally quite hard, and the bottom is soft, so if you're still feeling a hard lump under your ribs, doesn't that mean bub is still breech, also surely our bump would change shape if our baby turned. It's interesting that you, like me, have still got an 'inny'. I'm convinced that if this baby turns my belly button will pop out like it was in both my last pregnancies.... hmm 'button watch'!

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MrsMar · 23/08/2007 13:13

thanks for that dal, that website is really informative, esp the explanations of the different types of breech positions. Although I'd read them elsewhere before they never seemed to make sense before, seeing those pictures really helps. I think a complete breech sounds the most plausible to me as I'm getting slightly gentler more tickly sensations slightly above the harder kicks, which I guess are his hands. I've just been to coffee with four other girls from my ante natal class, they're all around the 38 week mark and say that their kicks are under their ribs. It just made it seem much more likely to me that if nothing else, the baby is in a wierd position, even if his head is down, so are his feet!

Hopeitwontbebig · 23/08/2007 14:24

MrsMar did you read the bit about if your baby is in a posterior position it's harder for them to do an ECV, which makes sense I guess.

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Alfie72 · 23/08/2007 16:42

Excellent website Dal21- thanks for the post.:O

MrsMar · 23/08/2007 17:59

I did HIWBB... I would have thought that he's facing forward though, maybe I'm wrong, but the big kicks are just above my pubic bone (on my bikini line) I assumed if he was facing backwards, with feet against my back iyswim, I wouldn't feel the kicks so strongly. I've said it before, I'll say it again, I'm hopeless at this ! I'm so unaware of my body!!

dal21 · 23/08/2007 18:33

My pleasure - glad you guys found it as useful as I did. The part i didnt get was that if a bub is on the small side - why would they recommend a csection? I thought, surely the fact that it is smaller will make the delivery easier? Now understanding that the bottom/ stomach slip through a cervix before it is dilated enough to let the head through makes it easier to understand.
Docs get such bad press for recommending csections in breech situations and I think this gives some background on why they make that recommendation. Based on some of that info, they wouldnt be doing their job if they didnt!
Where has the backlash against csections come from?

Alfie72 · 23/08/2007 19:59

Hey dal21...Well, I don't want to have a c section ( I had lovely visions of a water birth at home a couple of weeks ago !!) but at the end of the day, I am up for anything that doesn't distress the baby and myself at the end of the day, I have tried everything natural so far to get my little one to shift !!
I don't know why C sections get such a bad press currently in the UK, it doesn't offer us mums much in the way of reassurance does it ? Both types of deliveries have their pros and cons..
I am aware in other countries that c sections are viewed as part and parcel of obstetric care.
I really think it's what suits the individual isn't it ?

Hopeitwontbebig · 23/08/2007 20:14

MrsMar, that is a posterior position, ie back to your back. Mine is in that position too.

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ejt1764 · 23/08/2007 20:35

Hiya dal - the reason for the backlash against c sections for breech births is that the latest research (with a bigger sample size) has contradicted the previous breech trial talked about on that (fab) Australian site.

One of the problems is that now, women are not given the correct information - it's assumed that they'll opt for a C Section, when it's not automatically necessary.

Having said that, as a vbac pg woman, I'd not be happy having a vb for this breech baby - as I know where I got stuck last time .... hence the desparate measures to get her the right way up ... or should that be down?

Holly29 · 24/08/2007 09:51

Hello - can I add myself to Breech Watch? (and can we have some red swimsuits a la Baywatch printed up?!)

Am 35+1 and my wee one has been breech forever and it was confirmed that he still is as of last night. I am booked in for an ECV in 2 weeks but have to have a scan first to make sure that he is not in a scary position...

Your posts here are so helpful. I am off to read the Australian website now. x

MrsMar · 24/08/2007 15:42

HIWBB - I think so, I'm so bad at this but judging by the big kicks I'm getting out front I reckon he's got his back up against mine and he's facing forward. It would explain why my tummy button isn't sticking out yet, as I would assume the pressure of the spine against the abdominal wall would push it out. I also thought that if he was facing back, his kicks would be to the back and I wouldn't feel them so much. I could be totally wrong though... had loads of squirming today, but still all movement is on the under side of my bump. Got something hard digging in to my sternum when I sit badly and slump (which is too often, naughty me!)

Hopeitwontbebig · 24/08/2007 18:53

Welcome on board Holly! Not another one of us September girls!

Are you guys finding it really hard to eat at the moment? I'm finding it quite frustrating because I'll make something, sit down and not eat much of it

I suppose the upside is that I haven't put on as much weight during this last stretch (compared to my last two pregnancies

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diddle · 24/08/2007 21:43

welcome holly, not sure i'll fit into a "breech watch" swimsuit.

HIWBB - i can honestly say that i#m having no problem eating at all, especially my personal favourite at the moment, meringue nest with strawbs, rasps and cream yummy!!!!

Alfie72 · 24/08/2007 23:10

Yep Ihopeitwon't be big- I try and stuf my face but the little breechie lies on my intestines so i am full in about 3 minutes...the joys of an upside down baby.

Hopeitwontbebig · 25/08/2007 13:29

Thought I might update our list

Alfie72
Holly29
Hopeitwontbebig
MrsMar
ejt1764
dal21
orangecat
Nettee
toadstool
did dle
bex44
betsycoe
horace
soontobeamummy

Is that us all present and correct?

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Mrsjaffabiffa · 25/08/2007 13:38

hello everyone,
I haven't read the whole thread sorry but just wanted to add. In our May 07 antenatal thread at 34 weeks 12 of us were breech.

Some of them didn't turn until as late as 37 weeks but ALL the babies turned and arrived naturally in the end.

Good Luck to you all.

toadstool · 25/08/2007 14:54

Mrsjaffa, thank you so much! It's good to know that there's hope for them shifting!
I'm getting fluttery movements up top and kicking movements further down, but the hard bump under my ribs has moved downwards... can't begin to work out what it's up to!

ejt1764 · 25/08/2007 15:37

Am adding my edd onto the list ... nice to know where we're all at!

Alfie72
Holly29
Hopeitwontbebig
MrsMar
ejt1764 - 2nd October
dal21
orangecat
Nettee
toadstool
did dle
bex44
betsycoe
horace
soontobeamummy

Annie75 · 25/08/2007 18:55

Re positioning, my baby was extended breech (legs flexed and by the head - you can see how she came out on my profile!) and I felt hiccups down by my bikini line on the right and her head was clearly under my ribs as I could feel it when I pressed in. A nice suggestion by the midwives for why my baby was breech was that I had strong stomach muscles which were holding her tightly in place. I've spoken to some other women who were also fit and ended up with breeches for their first. It's a flattering theory, anyway! Another one I heard is that more babies are breech because we spend a lot of time sitting at computers so there is less room in our pelvises.

Meant to say that it's worth knowing where your placenta is for the ECV. Mine was anterior and it meant that the consultant couldn't really grab her head and bum properly to move her, though I guess that's not always the case.

The reason there was a move towards c-sections for breech births was because of the Term Breech Trial - the largest study into breech deliveries 7 years ago. It recommended that planned c-sections were safer than planned vaginal deliveries, and all consultants were advised to offer them for breech babies. But... the trial was revealed to be flawed for a number of reasons - more here: www.radmid.demon.co.uk/breechbanks.htm.

Although I ended up with a c-section, it's not something I'd choose if I knew I could have given birth naturally and I don't regret trying that route having found the right medical support. It is, after all, fairly major surgery and I know I'd much prefer to have been up and walking straight away after my birth. You end up in hospital for longer, on painkillers, unable to move around easily for your baby, complete with bad wind and support stockings! Having said that, it certainly has its place with breech births and is generally recommended as the safest way to deliver breech if they don't progress by themselves. And I'm recovering really well.

Alfie72 · 25/08/2007 20:38

I'm still hanging on in here ejt1764 !! I reassures me to be on this link, it's like a proper breech support network.
Annie75- I like that theory re- the stomach muscles, I may start using that as the reason now !
My mum tried to reassure me tonight by saying " maybe there isn't enough room in there as you are only small " !!! Thanks Mum !!
The m/w the other day just told me I maybe had a strange shaped pelvis....charming !!
Mrs Jaffa- thanks for the message of encouragement !!

betsycoe · 26/08/2007 14:18

Hi Annie,
it's interesting reading your description of your pregnancy.

I also have a very small bump, can clearly feel the baby's head by my ribs and feel hiccups quite low down. I've also wondered if my stomach muscles have been stopping the baby from going head down (I'm a long distance runner and find it really difficult to relax my abs).

In theory I've got 5 weeks for the baby to turn but I'm convinced she will stay breech!

I'm also planning a trial of labour at home if she stays breech but it is good to know that recovery from the cs has been quick in your case