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'BREECH WATCH' !!

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Hopeitwontbebig · 06/08/2007 21:16

So who's breech at the moment and how many weeks are you?

I'm 33+1 and I don't reckon this LO will turn!

Will keep you updated

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Hersetta · 07/08/2007 15:30

MrsMar,

my Lo turned breech sometime after the 20 week scan at which she was head down and I used to get loads of kicks down low - but these were actually punches. Now as an extended breech they are all up high by my waist and ribs as she kicks, punches and head buts me on a regular basis.

MrsMar · 07/08/2007 15:45

Hi hersetta... thanks for that. I'm starting to believe the doc and the mw when they say he's ceph. I was just a bit concerned that if it was his bum I could feel just under my ribs, the kicks were awfully low. Maybe my little boy is going to be a long jumper I won't make my mind up until I've had my 36 week appt. That's the (only) downside of having a very normal pregnancy, I've only been scanned twice, 12 weeks and 22, so no idea what he's up to!!

Hersetta · 07/08/2007 16:00

I guess if your LO was a footling breech you would get kicks down low but most likely is that they are head down and it's punches you are feeling.

Having had a couple of scans recently and been told in detail where and how baby is laying I can now tell the difference between her head and her bum. Her bum is much bigger probaby due to the fact that her legs are also squashed right in front of her as well. Head is a nice neat hard ball whereas bottom is much bigger and a bit squishier (like her mum I guess!).

dal21 · 07/08/2007 16:04

are hiccups any clue? when this one gets hiccups then they are really low down (same as they have been all along) and at a scan at about 26 weeks - bub was defo breech position.

Hersetta · 07/08/2007 16:18

My breech LO has hiccups a couple of times a week and they are all up high - waist height which I assumed is because this is where her chest is.

dal21 · 07/08/2007 16:26

how odd hersetta. what you say makes sense and I was thinking last night surely if bub is stil breech, hiccups should be higher up.
oh well - will know a week weds what position LO is in.

lizziemun · 07/08/2007 16:40

MrsMar

My LO head is at the top (sometimes), as i can move it quite freely and quite narrow but when it bottom is nearer the top it doesn't move freely and is a lot bigger iykwim.

Both the midwife and the consultant could see the baby as when i laid on the bed it was very obvious as to where the baby was by the lumps .

Hersetta

I am only trying the ECV because my Lo is not staying in the same position and is still moving.

MrsMar · 07/08/2007 16:48

I'm not sure if I can feel hiccups from my LO. There are definitely some tiny gentler more rhythmic movements but they're also quite low so maybe I'm totally barking up the wrong tree!

Serves me right for being such a porker, I can't tell the difference between the different bumps and lumps! It feels really hard the bump under my ribs but maybe he's got a very firm bum (hmm scrap long jumper... how about ski instructor? )

Hersetta - the movements on my cervix are really hard, could that still be his hands doing that? Ok another career change, boxer perhaps? He's definitely got a serious punch if he's ceph hehehehe!

dal21 · 07/08/2007 16:52

i have just read somewhere that hiccups mainly effect the head - so if I am feeling them that far down hopefully baby is head down. And this one gets hiccups a few times a day (mainly before i am going to bed bless it) But am feeling really strong movement lower down, hardly any up top - not sure if they are kicks or punches. Oh well - still not far along enough to worry about it yet. Am just intrigued!

Hersetta · 07/08/2007 16:54

Don't worry mrs - I'm a porker too !

Had to have a growth scan just because they couldn't feel baby properly through my flabby tummy - good job too as midwife though she was head down and turned out she was breech. I myself can only feel where baby is laying when I lay flat when I go to bed at night.

When my Lo was head down the punches in my pelvis were very violent - sometimes made me jump out of my seat - a right Mike Tyson.

dal21 · 07/08/2007 16:58

thanks for that hersetta - glad to know that punches can be quite hard too! am feeling slightly more relieved but will still make sure i sit on my birthing ball just incase! they are such fab inventions!

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Hopeitwontbebig · 07/08/2007 16:59

I was wondering the other day about hiccups. I think my LO is lying in a posterior position with her head under my ribs on the right hand side. It made it difficult for my obstetrician to tell by feeling, but the scan confirmed this position. Mostly the hiccups are fairly high up on the right, the other day they felt really low down, but they're back to being high up. I'm sure I'd feel it if this LO turned to ceph?? It's an above average sized baby.

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Hersetta · 07/08/2007 17:00

Lizzie,

Consultant did make me feel a bit guilty about turning down the ECV - but I've never wanted one. Ever since a saw a couple on TV - he did say though that it looked worse than it is but mind was made up. My little one doesn't really move positions very much - most she seens to do is swivle to face left or right and so all the kicks I feel change as well from the left to right. No lateral movement at all - probably due to the fact that she's a big girl already. COnsultant did say there was no point in doing an ECV on me past 37 weeks as baby would have been far too big to turn by that point.

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Hopeitwontbebig · 07/08/2007 17:02

just read your post dal, that's what I was wondering was jerking mostly (the head)

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Hopeitwontbebig · 07/08/2007 17:03

Hersetta, I'm going to turn down an ECV too if it's offered.

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MrsMar · 07/08/2007 17:14

Hersetta - I'm sure you made the right decision, my doc says from 37 weeks most babies won't change postion no matter how much pushing and shoving you do!! If you're having another big baby HIWBB then I'm sure the 37 week thing applies even earlier.

I guess I'm barking up the wrong tree with the breech thing, it must be all that scrubbing the kitchen floor on my hands and knees that did it!!

lizziemun · 07/08/2007 17:16

Hersetta,

I would have turned down the ECV, if the LO was static, but it can almost go head down but then stands back up.

I will be nearly 38 weeks when they do it, so if it doesn't work then i think they will do a c-section the following week as dd came at 39 weeks and weighing 9lb 4oz. So i don't think they will let me go any longer.

lizziemun · 07/08/2007 17:19

Mrmars

It's funny how different hospitals are, the one i'm at don't try and turn babies before 37 weeks and prefer to do them at 38weeks so that they are less chances for the baby to turn back.

MrsMar · 07/08/2007 18:16

it is wierd isn't it? as I think I mentioned further down, my pct won't even attempt a vaginal delivery of a breech baby either, whereas I've heard that others are happy to do so.

loler · 07/08/2007 18:29

My hospital won't even scan me before 37 weeks - will only turn after 38 weeks because of chance of it turning back. Met someone with a 10 lb 8 oz new born last week who was successfully turned at 38 weeks - she said is wasn't too bad an experience - and as it was her first she must have good stomach muscles!

I'm getting lots of hiccups in top right (last time saw MW it was breech and back to back ) - sister was laughing at tummy from other side of room at them earlier.

Getting movements only at top very little at all at the bottom.

Considering that there is only a 4% breech birth rate am hoping that a lot of us August babies will have a huge shift!

ejt1764 · 07/08/2007 18:30

I have to say (just adding my 3p-worth), that hospital protocols don't necessarily mean that you have to abide by them ... the very fact that there are pcts willing to go for vaginal delivery of breech babies shows that there is no medical reason for not attempting it.

What I'm trying to say is that even if your pct says that they don't do v delovery for breech babies, if you refuse C section, there is basically nothing they can do about it.

There have been precedents in the past where pcts who are not happy with their staff deliving a breech baby are willing to pay an independent midwife who does have experience of breech deliveries ... they problem is often that the staff don't have the experience, leading to a spiral of not being able to do it (if that makes any sense ...

What I'm trying to say (albeit in a rambling way!) is that if you want to go for a vaginal delivery of a breech baby, it is up to you ... not your consultant!

ejt1764 · 07/08/2007 18:31

sorry - just realised there was a total overuse of italics in that last post ... was trying to be emphatic!

BHANNAE · 07/08/2007 18:32

Well I went to my scan this aft and baby was breech as I expected. As it was a growth scan I was in there a while and baby repositioned itself in transverse lol so obviously plenty of room in my overstretched womb for a bit of wiggling.
Good luck to those ladies waiting for a turn.
Im crossing my legs until my section date as my consultant said I can have a natural delivery if I go into labour again before that date and not sure how a transverse gets out

toadstool · 07/08/2007 19:33

Bhannae, my DD went transverse at term, and they said they would do a CS. BUT when my waters broke, she'd moved head-downwards and they were able to give her a quick nudge into the opening of the pelvis (with a scanner), so I gave birth naturally. So it's not irreversable!

Alfie72 · 07/08/2007 21:37

I'm 32 weeks and have started moxibustion treatment ( special acupuncture) as my baby is breech. The therapist starts early ( 32-34 weeks) so the baby has enough space to manoeuvre. I will let you know how I go. I have had a whole disco going on in my belly since I started !! My baby was getting a little bit too comfy and not moving that much in the day so It's been really cool to have more movement. I definately would plump for the ECV though, anything to prevent a C section unless I need to of course

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