Noisy toddler next door

[Sukie272]

I live in a small flat and my next-door neighbours have a toddler who is about 2. This child seems to stay up all night as well as most of the day- he screams, cries, yells, bangs toys on the walls and runs around their flat constantly, until around 3am.
The walls are very thin, so he wakes me up repeatedly. After 6 months of being woken 4-5 times a night (the sound of him running on hardwood floors sounds like someone is hamnering nails into the floor) I complained to landlord. He agreed this level of noise at night is unacceptable and spoke to the family. For a few weeks the noise calmed down and they seemed to make an effort to keep him away from the partition wall at night, but now the noise is unbearable again.
I've tried politely talking to the parents (who are Eastern European and don't speak much English), I've also put leaflets under their door about SureStart and other sources of help. At times I bang on the wall in desperation. I just want some peace and quiet!
Is it normal for a 2-year-old to cry for several hours every day, and to run around screaming for hours at a time, several times a night? I'm worried he may be being abused/neglected... should I contact Social Services? The parents rarely take him out of the flat, so maybe he is just bored?
I'm in first trimester of pregnancy and currently off work sick, so I can't escape the noise even in the daytime. I feel so angry that these people let their child cause such a disturbance! Earplugs make little difference, and I can hear him in every room in my flat, even though my bedroom is not next to the partition wall.
What can I do about this? Does anyone have a similar experience?

Sleep deprivation is that absolute pits as you will soon find out, OP and for that you have my utmost sympathy. You do come across rather oddly in your posts - can't work out if it's patronising/smug/possibly on the edge due to not having slept properly for a while!! My advice would be to move if at all possible - sounds like an unsustainable situation. I'd probably cool it on the leafleting front unless you're prepared to do it in person rather than popping them under the door, and yes, I did read that you'd left your details on a card . FWIW both mine were good sleepers and we did use the SWMNBN method and fortunately for us it worked v quickly. The trouble is that trying to give advice to a load of people who haven't asked for it when they are already parents and you're not, just sets you up for a bit of a pasting. Good luck with your baby, have fun, chill out a bit and try to move.
your posting style is v similar to MrsC. Just saying

Avon
Op is already suffering from sleep deprivation. Caused by someone else's child.

Yes and I have said she has my utmost sympathy

I have rtft dear. And concluded correctly that you are the queen of assumption making. Hth.

Dear? So very PA

So why did you post that first line of your message with the "as you'll soon find out" crossed out?

I don't understand. Op is going to suffer some sleep deprivation when her baby comes along. I doubt this is news to her. Her post is about the sleep deprivation she is suffering right now!

Amantes I'm astounded you can call anyone PA!

What information are you party to that others on this thread are not Amantes?

If you think otherwise, why not ask those who have called it, rather than me, Mintyy? Because I don't disagree with them but I can't speak for them.

Amantes... what a strange, cryptic thing to say. You seem to be making a lot of desperate bids for attention today!
This is in addition to the many vulgar, spiteful comments you keep aiming at me... Eg what sort of person keeps telling a new mum-to-be she should 'never consider having more than one child' as she 'won't be able to cope' with the first?! On a pregnancy forum of all places! You also claimed I was unable to cope with 'previous children' (you misunderstood my comment about having lived with a family... they were not my children... but that is beside the point. And FYI, they were lovely kids and I did not have any difficulties coping with them!)
You also seem to take pleasure in frequent malicious name-calling.

Amantes... your repeated attempts to inflame a response, goad, disrupt the thread, seek attention and curb the sharing of useful information between other forum members leads me to one conclusion. From the content of your posts, your personality traits also seem to match the 4 noxious personality traits typically associated with this type of online behaviour.
Perhaps you should find a real-life outlet for your aggression, instead of disrupting a forum with attempts at flamebaiting.

Dear? So very PA

You think so? Really? Maybe you need to take a good look in the mirror yourself dear.

Enjoy your biscuit

You are only intending to have just the one child, aren't you, op? Because there's clearly nil chance of you coping with a pregnancy and subsequent children, is there?

..or even previous children

Meaning: How would you cope with a subsequent pregnancy and your current child to be, at the same time? How would you cope with any possible noise and dusturbance, when you can't cope with noise from next door?

This is in addition to the many vulgar, spiteful comments you keep aiming at me... Eg what sort of person keeps telling a new mum-to-be she should 'never consider having more than one child' as she 'won't be able to cope' with the first?! On a pregnancy forum of all places!

See above. Nice try though, yet again.

You also claimed I was unable to cope with 'previous children' (you misunderstood my comment about having lived with a family... they were not my children... but that is beside the point. And FYI, they were lovely kids and I did not have any difficulties coping with them!)

See above. I'm sorry for you that you were unable to understand my post. Your confusion seems to have caused you unnecessary angst. I hope this has provided you with your required level of clarification

This has got to be a joke thread???

Op its pretty shitty you are being kept awake- being pregnant and shattered isn't fun. I can see how frustrating it must be. I love sleep and I'm hideous it I don't get it.

But one thing that comes across in your posts is your 'know it all attitude - because you have read a few book or been around your friends kids. Your posts are smug and provoking - which is why I don't believe in this thread. Nobody can be that much of a dick... right? Considering your kept awake all night why are you not resting now? Instead of arm wrestling on here?

by the way.. Are you MrsC ? I'm wondering that now too......

Meaning: How would you cope with a subsequent pregnancy and your current child to be, at the same time? How would you cope with any possible noise and dusturbance, when you can't cope with noise from next door?

Its much easier to cope with noise that you can control, then noise from inconsiderate neighbors that you can't. Maybe you are the ops neighbor, that would go someway to explaining your defensiveness and poorly considered debate.

Please do clarify my 'defensiveness'

Interesting issue you raise though, Dancing, because the point I, along with many others have tried to make throughout this thread, is that a child's noise cannot always be controlled sufficiently for life to be entirely peaceful and sometimes, even remotely peaceful.

As I said way, way back, I have been fortunate and my children have been peaceful at night. However, it is not beyond my comprehension, that some children aren't. It is normal for them to go through phases and those phases can take many forms, high energy at night and sleeplessness being one.

I am not the ops neighbour. My neighbours are lovely

Allingoodfaith... Why am I 'arm-wrestling' on here instead of sleeping? Because the child next door is screaming at full volume as he runs back and forth, crashing into the partition wall with each lap and pounding on the walls with his toys. Based on my experience of the last 6 months, this behaviour will continue until around 3am, probably punctuated by fits of crying, enraged shouting and loud bangs as though he is jumping off furniture. If I'm lucky there might be a few quiet intervals before 3am, but these rarely last more than 10minutes at a time. Unfortunately it's impossible to sleep through such a racket, even with earplugs. Working on a DIY project would probably create less noise.

It's a shame you find my posts 'smug' 'provoking' and 'know it all' but such a judgemental opinion is not of much interest to me. They are merely your perceptions, and fortunately there are plenty of people on here who don't share your views.
Calling someone a 'dick' because you don't like their style of writing... come on now, how old are you?

Am I MrsC? No.
Are you another of Amantes' sock-puppets? Most likely.

Please do clarify my 'defensiveness'

Sorry, I can't really be bothered to go through all your posts and do that for you. Maybe you have a look back through them instead and figure it for yourself.

Interesting issue you raise though, Dancing, because the point I, along with many others have tried to make throughout this thread, is that a child's noise cannot always be controlled sufficiently for life to be entirely peaceful and sometimes, even remotely peaceful.

In the scenario that the op describes, its extremely likely that strategies could be put in place to minimize the disruption.

You have been on the thread all day. Get some rest. Your obsessed !!

Interesting first post mrsc

Good night! >

Quite detached or completely detached?

Amantes... By attempting to 'explain' you are digging yourself an even a deeper hole

You seem very interested in how many children I plan to have, and you seem to have made another inaccurate assumption:
'So, you are only intending to have one child then almost certainly for the best'

I prefer not to share my personal plans with you. But however many children I have, I'm confident in my ability to be a responsible parent, to find solutions to problems, and to live in a way that doesn't impact negatively on my neighbours' wellbeing.

Oh God! I am dreading the day my 7 week old DS reaches the terrible twos. I know I will be like the OPs neighbours and he will rule the roost. DH and I will be hopeless.