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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE · 29/05/2014 17:35

I hope everyone suffering from the Horrors of Hyperemesis will find this thread useful as a source of support and information.

There's no TMI on here - can't be by definition - and nobody should feel ashamed of moaning as much as they feel the need to.

MOH's wonderful website is full of useful information on this illness:
sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos/
Another invaluable website is:
www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk/
If you need help in obtaining medication, this phone number is
brilliant:
024 7638 2020

Lastly, the NICE guidelines on treatment are useful:
cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy#!prescribinginfosub

I would like to thank Everyone who has given such invaluable support and advice on this and on previous threads.

Remember when you are at your worst, 'This Too Shall Pass'. It really will.
So many women on this thread have thought they couldn't get through this, but they did.

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mrsnec · 27/06/2014 07:25

Lovely pics! I love the orange jerseys too!

Hi Mrs G and welcome, I can't offer you much advice as I'm an ftm and not at the stage you are but I'm sure one of the others will be along soon I know a few of them suffered quite badly still in the later stages.

Fraggle I agree sometimes the distraction is good. Can't decide if a train journey is worse or not. Has there been any pattern to your sickness lately that'll help you decide? Can somebody stand in for you at the service? I've been looking into godparents by proxy as our parents were already talking christenings and dh's chosen godparents refuse to fly over here. The god-mummy guilt would be good practice and the parents would understand. I'm sure you'll make the right decision.

Oakla your holiday sounds lovely. My parents live in that part of the world I think it's the only part of England I miss!

Meerka · 27/06/2014 10:27

Hello mrsGembles

Oh daer you are one of the unlucky ones :( Im very sorry but ondanestron is the strongests of the drugs they give out, except steroids which is very rarely given except in cases of severe dehydration and malnutrition.

They could look at upping the dose maybe. Some people here have been on ondansetron the whole preg and can say what doses they have been on. Sometimes also people find a combination of drugs helpful, such as ondansetron with metoclopramide or promethazine or prochlorperazine.

I woudl say go back to the doctors simply in order to ask, and also to let them know that it's getting bad again. It's worth it because ... well, the last few weeks of a preg are heavy, no getting away from it, and you need all the support you can get.

At this stage im sure you've found out most of what works for you already food-wise :s But the advice given is to eat a little whenever you can, not big meals (Im sure you know that by now!). It's well worth looking at the links Lucinda gives in the OP, there's a raft of useful info on the top two sites in particular. some eating advice is given here on the preg sickness support site.

Are you actually vomitting a lot again? or is it mainly the nausea?

Oh, and the irritating old thing people tell you to 'rest, rest rest' im afraid is actually true. the nausea nad vomitting do get significantly worse if you overdo it (or if you're unlucky, do anything at all except lie in bed).

We're always here, inching towards the end of the misery ... and actually getting a baby at the end of it, which is somehow all too easy to forget when you're growing huge but are endlessly sick!

(and oh, the only use of ginger in severe cases of nausea is to relieve tension when too frustrated; insert up nose of well-meaning-but-ignorant person suggesting it)

Meerka · 27/06/2014 10:33

just a quick question for the graduates: do you ever feel sick again when breastfeeding? I keep getting a surge of quite powerful sickness usually when feeding, which is much worse if short on sleep. I'm not exactly complaining because I know how very, very much worse it can be but all the same it's not very pleasant. Does it go away over the months? (I dont remember this from after the first HG preg but that's all a total blur anyway).

LucindaE · 27/06/2014 10:36

mrsGembles Welcome, sorry that you are suffering so horribly and so late on, this sounds like full blown nasty Hyperemesis full term -and Meerka has already given such great advice I can't improve on it. Some women on here have been on Ondansetron and Cycldezine and B6, I think - but I'm no expert about meds. Some say a cocktail of medsl helps, reluctant as they were to take so many meds, and they're proven safe together. At this stage, I'm sure you're armed with kesostix from a chemists to check on dehydration if necessary, etc etc. Poor you being a teacher, the most demanding of jobs! I saw the idiotic remark someone you knew made mentioned on your thread! Do go back to GP anyway, and everyone is very supportive on here.
Lottiedoubtie Thanks so much for recommending this thread to mrsGembles.
Waves one wing to everyone anxiously, leaves flapping and clucking. I honestly don't know if train journeys or car ones are the worst. Someone on here a while ago commuted by train every day, having to collapse on the floor sometimes if she had to stand and it was busy. I don't know how she did it.
xx

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Lottiedoubtie · 27/06/2014 11:19

mrsgembles welcome to the thread, tis very nice here and can really help to make the time pass when you're in the throws of this horrible condition.

I had a MW appointment this morning all well so that's today's good news!

Lalalax3 · 27/06/2014 11:48

Went back to the GP is morning and our new tactic is meticlopramide 3x a day and 150mg ranitidine 2x a day. We shall see...

SomeSunnySunday · 27/06/2014 12:02

Lovely baby pictures people! Great to be reminded what is in store for us at the end of all of this.

mrsgembles welcome, and I hope that your new meds make a big difference. I'm afraid I have no practical advice as previously my HG has cleared up by 20 weeks (only 15 weeks with this pregnancy, so desperately hoping that the same thing happens), but even sickness for that long has been enough for me. You have my sympathy.

I'm so impressed with those of you who are teachers and considering still working. There's really nowhere to hide for you! I only worked through my first pregnancy, but even then spent most of my time hiding at my desk, and couldn't do much client facing work (I am was a solicitor).

Fraggle, that's a hard decision to make. If you're anything like me, some days a big trip would be just about manageable, and others here no way. I never know until the time how I'm going to be feeling.

Flowery how are you? I've been thinking about you.

Lalalax3 · 27/06/2014 12:07

SomeSunnySunday I tried working but am currently signed off. Just can't manage the tube commute across London in hot weather, managing a room full of 25+ inner-city teenagers all day AND nausea and vomiting. Too much!

SomeSunnySunday · 27/06/2014 12:10

Any one of those on it's own would be too much for me, mrsgembles !

Georgebythesea · 27/06/2014 12:24

Hi peeps,
Welcome to new people,so sorry to hear you are feeling so rough,it's very supportive here.
Love the baby pics!
I had a pretty traumatic 24 hours as was in agonising pain in my side and ended up in hospital overnight(on a busy antenatal ward with lots of women going into labour),got 2 hours v uncomfy sleep then ultrasound showed I have hydronephrosis rather then a uti where your urinary tract is blocked by baby and so your kidneys and tubes get v inflamed.It's so painful and not much they can do.Feeling so so fedup,it seems like one thing after another.Im 26 weeks and just starting to improve from HG and now bedbound again :(

Oklahoma · 27/06/2014 12:41

George it just feels like one thing after another - poor you. How long do they think it will last?

MrsG welcome (but sorry you have to be here). Nothing to add really, just lots of sympathy.

kalidasa · 27/06/2014 12:55

MrsG - I was like you, the vomiting ratcheted up again from 30 weeks. Towards the end I thought I would end up in hosp yet again but actually I didn't. I found ranitidine made a big difference in those late stages, plus avoiding being at all tired or stressed. Easy to say I know!

Meerka - YES! So glad you say this, haven't found anyone else. I felt sick and dizzy with let down every time, horrid. I have to say I didn't enjoy breast feeding at all partly for this reason.

Terrible day yesterday. Because I wasn't sick first thing they refused to put the steroids up and said I had to try coming off the drip. Needless to say by the evening I was vomiting and this morning my ketones were back to 4+!! So now they have FINALLY done what I wanted them to do on Monday and put me back on 20mg steroids so I can eat. I'm back on the drip too. Still on 8mg of ondansetron by IV three times a day, but it's just not enough.

Obviously not going anywhere yet, hoping for Sunday discharge now maybe. Poor DS and DH are really beginning to show the strain.

BabyButton1 · 27/06/2014 13:00

Hi All

Just checking in again. Hope you are all doing ok today?

MrsG Welcome, hope you are feeling a bit better today. I've been taking Ondansatron 8mg for quite a white now and can take up to 3 a day when it's really bad. I found they worked the best for me out of all the meds. Sounds like they have got you an a good combination. Hope they are working for you :-) ?

AFM- i've had a fairly OK week and now 18 weeks. I've only taken 1 tab a day for the last few days and I've managed to get by. I've even tried to eat a tiny portion of whatever DP is eating at tea time...although i've been sick not long after. I think I felt baby kick for the first time on Wed just after One Born Every Minute...he/she gave 6 proper strong kicks.

Anyone had stabbing pains in lower pelvic area? Im assuming its stretching but its very uncomfortable.

Trondheim · 27/06/2014 13:20

Hi all, just got my bfp for dc2, had hg whole pregnancy last time, though it wasn't as bad after 20 weeks (I think, going to check diary). Hoping it won't happen this time but as my mum had it all 3 it seems unlikely. Didn't get any drugs last time and lost 2 stone, would like to avoid a repeat if possible..

HenriettaTurkey · 27/06/2014 15:00

Well, back from my first day of phased return. Got up early to make sure I got some breakfast before I set off, but promptly threw it all up.

Was at school for 4 hours. Longest 4 hours of my life! My hip was killing and I felt so ill...

Back home now watching the tennis, and trying not to dread Monday morning too much, when my next half day is. Weirdly, school's idea of a half day seems to include putting me on a double lunch duty, which would've meant I was in from 8.30-1.30. The school day ends at 3.30 - so to me that was too much.

I told them my hip was unable to tolerate an hour of duties so early into my phased return (true) and left at the start of lunch - 12.30. I feel a bit guilty about it, but not sure I'd have coped with the journey home otherwise.

I can't believe how much the day has taken out of me, though. So exhausted and back on the marmite on toast diet, as it's all i can stomach right now.

BabyButton1 · 27/06/2014 15:58

HenriettaTurkey Im assuming you are a teacher too? How long are you on a phased return for? Does this affect your pay and school insurance? Mr Doctor mentioned a phased return to me if i feel well enough in a week or so... she wasnt sure it was the best thing due to he nature of our job but wanted my thoughts. Hows your head with a phased return? (million questions sorry)..

Sorry you are still feeling pretty sick x

Thanks

HenriettaTurkey · 27/06/2014 16:58

Hi, button

Yes - another teacher. Afaik with phased return I am considered at work, so pay isn't affected. My head's not dealing with it too well, tbh. I feel worse than I have for weeks. Will have a long hard think over weekend and see what Monday brings.

It's a 3 week & 1 day p.r. Starting today, ending at the end of term - by which time I should be doing full days on m,w & f, with 2 rest days. This looks unachievable to me at the moment.

If this doesn't work I will reluctantly take pregnancy sickness as this doesn't count towards sick leave or pay. If they are reasonable & let me so less I may be able to get through it; if they are rigid with the phased return it may be too much.

Fraggle31 · 27/06/2014 17:37

henrietta sorry that you're feeling rough after being back. I'm due to go back to work next week and am worrying abit about the consequences of that. I have to have occ health agree to a phased return before it is allowed so, I have a meeting with them on Tuesday afternoon (work in healthcare). I'm already worrying about the combination of the journey and the workload. But I figure if it doesn't work then I will return to sick leave although obviously don't really want to. It's very hard re: return to work especially when you can't really know how you're going to feel until you start. I hope you have a better day on Monday

Fraggle31 · 27/06/2014 18:29

Can I ask a quick question about metaclopramide to those in the know? I've been on it for nearly 4 weeks or so and just tried to obtain a repeat prescription from my gp surgery (the gp that's been dealing with me till now is away and the request is being dealt with my another gp).....he has declined to issue it because he says it should not be taken for more than 3 days. I've had a google around and actually found that the nice guidelines say for no longer than 5 days.........has anyone else taken metaclopramide for longer than this and experienced any difficulties with prescription? Should I really have stopped after 5 days? I tried calling the PSS but no answer as is past 5pm. I only have enough metaclopramide to last till Tuesday (although do have some cyclizine I could use instead)......

Thanks

Meerka · 27/06/2014 19:19

Hi Trondheim, welcome and congratulations! lovely to hear.

Good luck that you might avoid HG this time! but in the case you don't, then please do go to your doctor and ask for meds. Have a good read of the links that mother Hen posted at the top. The NICE guidelines in particular are ones that doctors are supposed to listen to, they are the governmental good practise guidelines and do recommend meds early on to avoid the worst of HG and to ensure you can live your life normally as possible.

if we can help in any way then do post here, or just if you need to moan. Feel free becaues HG is horrible and letting off steam helps - and we all understand, all too well.

kali very glad you are back on the steroids, I hope tonight is better.

george i hope the pain goes soon ...

fraggle people have had metoclop. prescribed for way longer than 3 days or even 5.

It's a good med but you do have to be a bit careful with it. There is -no- danger to the baby from the research I did, but if you are very unlucky there can be side effects for the mum. If you get twitchiness, restlessness, prickly skin or involuntary movements then you need to go back to your doc fast and almost certainly not take it any more. However, these side effects are not common and it's very effective for some people. From what I've read, and Im not a doctor but looked into this in some detail, anyone can take it for considerably longer than 3 days! the Preg Sickness Support line should get back to you if you left your number and give you fuller advice.

Meerka · 27/06/2014 19:23

fraggle where is the link to the NICE guidelines that say only 5 days, if you can find it again, please?

Fraggle31 · 27/06/2014 19:38

Meerka cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy#!prescribinginfosub:5

I finally got a call back from the gp after I got annoyed at the receptionist telling me she didn't know why but that he just wouldn't prescribed it, and offering on other suggestion when I asked how I was supposed to manage once the prescription ran out (her suggestion was well, wait an extra day and then your usual dr will be back - helpful). Anyway, he said it's because there was an alert which stated it can have cardiac affects therefore no longer than 3 days use. I apologised for seeming difficult but I was just worried about not having something else in its place if that's the case. Php has given me a new prescription for cyclizine (I was on this before I started the stemetil) so we'll see how that affects how I'm feeling.........I won't be impressed if it goes up the spout again!

Fraggle31 · 27/06/2014 19:39

That should say cardiac affects on the patient not baby

kalidasa · 27/06/2014 21:01

Fraggle I was on meto for several months at max dose last preg but I did develop neurological problems which were quite bad in the end and I am now considered allergic to it. They stopped when I came off it but there is a risk that they don't and you are stuck with the twitching which is why you should keep an eye and report anything quickly.

Unfortunately in this preg I developed similar - though milder - probs v quickly with both cyclizine (which was fine last time) and stemetil (which they tried instead of the meto), so I can't be on either. They weren't doing anything much for my sickness so it's not a disaster but it is annoying as I suspect I will never be able to take anti histamines etc for eg travel sickness now without having these probs. I suspect that the meto experience sensitised me in some way.

On the other hand the HG this time has actually - unbelievably - been worse than last time so far despite all pre emptive drugs so perhaps being pregnant makes you over sensitive anyway. The cyclizine was actually making me vomit each time when they took me off it!

As meerka says these are useful drugs and these probs are relatively rare so I would get some expert advice but not worry too much. The benefits may outweigh the small risks in your case if it works well and you are showing no symptoms of any prob. All these drugs seem to be fine for the baby.

Meerka · 27/06/2014 21:03

gaaah i cant view it, only available from the UK and im not in the Uk ( and not sure how to sneak my way along the dark lanes of the net to pretend I'm there).

fair enough if there's a recent alert, in the later stages of preg apparently they can get a bit worried about people's hearts as you're pumping so much more blood around than normal.

There's a lot of other options than cyclizine tho; pyridoxine, promethazine, prochlorperazone, domperidone are the main ones. Maybe the doc can considre some of them ... though yeah sometimes it can feel like educating the doctor and they don't necessarily take it well! have you maybe got an advocate you can take with you?

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