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Depressed about sex of unborn baby

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nutcracker · 21/03/2004 14:46

A friend of mine is very concerned about her sister who is expecting her 3rd baby. She has 2 dd's and longs for a ds. At her scan last week she was told that the baby is almost certainly a girl.
My firend said that since then her sister has been very deperessed and getting her to talk about the baby is very difficult. My friend is worried that her sister will now reject or have alot of trouble bonding with the baby when it arrives.
I just wondered if anyone else had experianced this.
I have never been bothered either way about the sex of my children. I have 2 dd's and when pregnant for the 3rd time i really didn't mind what i had.

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dinosaur · 22/03/2004 11:13

I have two boys and I am getting quite sick of people saying to me things like "Oh, come on, you MUST want a girl this time" and basically refusing to believe me when I say that I'd be delighted to have another boy. But I have been shocked at how widespread this attitude seems to be.

I usually shut them up by pointing out, like Jimjams, that boys are four times as likely as girls to be autistic, so from that point of view alone it would be something of a relief to have a girl. That reminds them that, as several posters have pointed out, there is rather more to having a child than what sort of genitals it possesses.

MrsGrump · 22/03/2004 11:15

Sometimes it's not worth the stress to stay in these discussions, Piglet.

Beety · 22/03/2004 11:15

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dinosaur · 22/03/2004 11:18

I'm beginning to get some insight into it Beety...

Beety · 22/03/2004 11:20

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piglit · 22/03/2004 11:20

MrsGrump - you are right. I have learned my lesson.

nutcracker · 22/03/2004 11:29

Blimey, i didn't expect this..

I have spoken to my friend this morning and apparently other members of the family have noticed her sisters reluctance to speak about the baby since the scan. One of them has now suggested that her reason for wanting a boy is that she is jealous of their dads relationship with my friends little boy (her nephew). From what i can gather, after 3 girls born into the family, he was very pleased when my friend had her little boy and does spoil him alot.
I think that she would love for one of her kids to have such a close relationship with their grandad.
I still don't think this quite justifies being depressed about it, dissapointed, upset for a while yes, but not depressed.

That is the main reason that i started this thread, as myself and my friend were struggling to understand.

The more worrying thing is that my friends sister has suggested that she will not give up trying for a boy.

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aloha · 22/03/2004 11:39

Counselling? To regard your daughters as mistakes along the way to getting a boy really does seem awful IMO. Could anyone mention anything to her mum about how her dad's favouritism of the boy is making for family discord?

aloha · 22/03/2004 11:41

The issue seems to me one of competitiveness with her sister and probably some unresolved feelings from her own childhood and her relationship with her father. It is upsetting that this is affecting her feelings about her own children.

motherinferior · 22/03/2004 11:49

In many ways, I dreaded having a girl. I was, and in some ways still am, terrified of replicating various mistakes my parents made in bringing up me and my sister. OTOH I didn't want to know the gender in advance anyway - I feel quite strongly that many people tend to start projecting the idea of a person onto the unknown, with expectations about gender playing a strong part in that.

I got two girls, and can't imagine anything better.

nutcracker · 22/03/2004 12:00

Aloha - Their mom passed away when they were in their teens.

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ScummyMummy · 22/03/2004 12:15

I take your points absolutely Jimjams and I can quite see why you can't relate to this particular concern, I really can. I too sometimes meet people who don't appear to do self-pity even in the most desperate seeming circumstances and I have certainly felt that as a wake up call to be very thankful about my lot in life and I am. I think your response here is a lot about you being the wrong audience, in a way. I think that as the mum of a child with autism your incredulity- even anger- at the idea of being upset at a child's gender is the right response for you both rationally and emotionally. I do think I understand what you are saying a bit and share your feelings a bit.

However, and fundamentally, I just don't think people's feelings always work in the way you- and lots of others- have suggested on this thread. Something that is worrying and/or disappointing or depressing us can't always be rationalised away with the thought that there are others worse off or that our worries are trivial in the general scheme of things, I believe. And there is self-evidently always going to be someone worse off. I remember one of my teachers (who was quite elderly, had a lovely wife, grown up healthy successful kids) being absolutely prostrated with grief when his really very elderly mother died- he took weeks off work. It happened only a short time after my own mum had died suddenly and very prematurely and I was still numb and raw with my own grief. I'm ashamed to remember that I felt quite unsympathetic towards him in a way. I remember thinking quite coldly- he's the lucky one here, he's had his mum for years and years and years, she was an old woman who'd had a good innings, he had time to say goodbye, he should get over it, it's life that old people die etc. Part of that was my own grief talking and part of it is still objectively true for me: rationally I think it IS probably "worse" to lose a parent at a young age than have them live till 90. BUT- I am still ashamed of my coldness in hindsight because the bottom line is that we were both bereaved, both in pain and neither of us could help how we felt about our losses. We missed our mothers terribly. Full stop. I needed time and sympathy and love to come to terms with my mum's death and I'm sure he did too.

IME you really can't heirarchisize (is that a word?) human pain/disappointment and tell people that their circumstances dictate a certain (positive) response and that any other (negative) response is wrong. Jimjams- (I hope you don't mind me picking up on your Annie post- tell me to f off if you do) would it really have helped you to find strategies to encourage your wee boy into your friend's house or come to terms with the fact that it's an upsetting situation for you if someone with a more profoundly disabled child had posted telling you to thank your lucky stars that he can go out at all? Or if someone living in a 14th floor council flat with no outdoor space had posted to say at least you've got your own garden to take him out in (if you have- just an example)? I would have been pretty upset on your behalf if someone had posted that type of thing, to be honest, because it seems so intrinsically unhelpful to tell someone that actually they shouldn't be feeling the way they're feeling. Just because someone else is worse off or feels differently doesn't make your feelings null and void, surely? If you're feeling awful about something you still have to find ways to feel better, to try and solve problems that are solvable, to come to terms with problems that aren't- whether by ceasing to see something as a problem or just living with it as best you can. This is true whatever the "objective" size of the problem and whether people are dealing with bereavement, depression, disability, illness, a bad day, an evil boss, an offhand husband, a messy house, being told you're having a son not a daughter or vice versa, misbehaving kids, boredom with motherhood, whatever. It's important to get your tone right and find the right audience but I think one of the best things about life is that we can deal with things we find very difficult in the context of talking to our sympathetic loved ones and friends. And to be a bit corny, that is one of the things I really love about mumsnet- no matter how small or large the problem there's room enough for everyone to receive the suggestions, ideas, support, sympathies, ((hugs)) s and laughs that I've come to know and love, because there's such a wide range of lovely people with different experiences and insights.

katierocket · 22/03/2004 12:25

good post scrummymummy but the woman in question is not posting on here therefore those who feel her response is out of proportion to the situation are able to state their opnions without upsetting anyone. I would still say the same thing if she was posting on her BTW but probably just in a less direct way.

Jimjams · 22/03/2004 12:26

Scummy- maybe its people's way of dealing with it. I can see what you mean. However for me- yes that wake up call really does work. Whenever I start complaining about my lot I have a mother who tells me to stop being ridiculous and there's a lot worse out there. And then I do feel slightly ashamed and ebarrassed. And to be honest although I do still feel pissed off about the whole friend's house thing, just seeing Annie is enough for me to stop and think how lucky I am- and it does make me snap out of it. It stops the self-pity, if not the anger.

It sounds as if the woman concerned has family issues, but at the end of the day which would she prefer dead boy or live girl? Putting things as balck and white as that works for me.

However I take your point and think you are right about the wrong audience thing. This is why I don't venture into the NT world very often (outside mumsnet :-Here I can say what I think- in the real world I come home seething.......)

bossykate · 22/03/2004 12:44

that's a blinding post, scummy, thanks.

nutcracker · 22/03/2004 12:46

JimJams - Excuse me for being thick and ignorant, but try as i might i cannot figure out what NT means. I know i'll kick myself when you tell me

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lou33 · 22/03/2004 12:48

neuro typical, nutty.

nutcracker · 22/03/2004 12:52

Oh thanks Lou. I won't kick myself though cos i wouldn't of got that in a million years. To be used instead of saying 'normal' then ????

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hmb · 22/03/2004 12:53

I don't think that anyone would begrudge this woman the help that she needs to rationalise this issue. If she has problems in her past that have led her to this situation then she may well need help in deeling with them. The grandfather should realise that his behaviour is making life difficult for this woman. That I can accept needs to be taken seriously. But the issue itself is not a problem. It is part of every day life. What this person needs is to understand that it doesn't matter what sex her child is.

I can sympathise with her overall situation but having the wrong sex child is not a problem. Are we such a society that has to have it's every need filled?

hmb · 22/03/2004 12:54

The longer I live the less I believe in 'normal'

Gomez · 22/03/2004 12:55

But Katierocket what about the MNs who have or do feel the same as our 'theoretical' case? How do you imagine they are currently feeling?

Jimjams · 22/03/2004 12:58

NT means neurologically typical nutcracker. PC way of saying "normal".

Can I just clrify one point scummy (and others). I don't think other people's problems need to be placed in a hierarchy. I don't really have a problem with someone talking to me and moaning about their child's inability to pronounce s or l or whatver- after all I can probably suggest where they go to get help.

However I do think that looking outside our own front doors at other people's lives is a great way of maintaining a sense of proportion and truly understand what's important in life. Maybe that's easier to do if you've lost something quite big. I don't know. I don't think its a requirement and I certainly feel very humbled watching anything about the 3rd world on TV. It doesn't take away my problems but it does change the way I view them.

FWIW I think anyone who manages to have 3 kids without any problems at all should be bloody grateful, not miserable becuase they're not the gender they planned. IF someone really does feel like that then I hope for their sakes they don't really get the wake up call. it can happen to anyone.

Jimjams · 22/03/2004 13:00

Did add but somehoe deleted something very similar to hmb's post about the family issues.

katierocket · 22/03/2004 13:07

But Gomez you can't say nothing opinion wise on MN because of worrying about whether someone might have gone through a similar thing. Of course you need to be sensitive particularly about certain issues, but I don't think anyone on here has been insulting about what this woman is feeling just saying that some perspective is required.
I agree with jimjams that looking at the situation of others doesn't change how you feel but does put them in a wider context that can maybe help you come to terms with whatever is a problem to you.

hmb · 22/03/2004 13:09

At the risk of personalising this and making an idiot of myself I'm going to post the following. I realise that some people will see this as a way of inversely 'showing off' but it isn't how I'm writing it.

I went to work on Monday and I was worried as we are about to face an OFSTED inspection, I was mildly worried that dd isn't doing as well as I'd like in school, I was worried that ds has very mild asthma.

I came home from school to find a message from my mothers hospital, phone them ASAP. Today I have to help to decide if my Mothers medication should be raised to control her pain, and in doing so end her life.

All day Monday and Tuesday it was all I could think about. My worries about OFSTED were put fully into perspective. I hugged my kids and thanked god for their good health.

Wednesday dh came home from work and told me that he has been diagnosed with Leukemia. All of a sudden all I could think of was ,'My god, he is going to die. He is the love of my life and I am going to lose him'.

But life has to go on. Thank god, I've still got my kids to love and hug, he is OK for the moment. Thankfully his is not one of the worst cases of Leukemia, and with luck he may live for many years.

All of a sudden OFSTEAD isn't a worry. Life can be shit, but it has to go on. We have to cope with what it throws at us, and there are times when you have to stop sobbing and get on with it. I'm sorry but having the wrong sex child is not a problem.