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Is my girlfriend attempting to get pregnant or ensure she is taking the pill at the right time ?

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JustACoupleOfQuestions · 01/04/2014 23:55

I've been seeing a girl for a few months, we get on great. She is very keen to have a kid, I am not at the moment. She has told me she has gone on the pill, which I believed. However, I attempted to log onto Amazon today and realised she had left herself logged on. I saw three purchases back in Jan :-

Conceive Plus® Fertility Lubricant
Clearblue Digital Pregnancy Test Kit with Conception Indicator
Clearblue Digital Ovulation Testing Kit Inc. 20 Test Pack and 2 x Pack of 10mlU Pregnancy Test Strips

Now, the first one worries me, as does the second. The third could be to determine when she should take the pill. But the Test Pack?!?

My guess is she is trying to get pregnant without me knowing. Am I missing something about being on the pill ?

I would appreciate your comments.

Thanks.

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CrimeaRiver · 03/04/2014 20:30

OP, prob worth checking first that she is actually using this stuff. I had no idea about TTC, about tests and kits and lube... I bought all of these things months before I was ready to use them, just to read the instruction booklets and get educated. (Turns out they have expiry dates, should have just googled, but I didn't even know the internet was so chock full of all the relevant information!). Maybe your GF is as idiotic as I was?

quietlysuggests · 03/04/2014 20:54

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duchesse · 03/04/2014 21:06

NRTFT, but if you're worried, OP, then wear a bloody condom! Has anybody said that yet? Also why are you with a person you don't trust? Also, didn't we have this thread a few months ago?

eddielizzard · 03/04/2014 21:11

gross betrayal of trust. i can't see how any relationship could survive a deception on this scale.

i can't see any scenario that she could come up with that would explain this away. and no, i don't believe anyone would buy these products for someone else.

good luck for this weekend.

Boogles91 · 03/04/2014 23:09

The poor bloke could still wear jonnys but she might have tampered with them lol my advice would be furst talk to her in a calm manner as much as its angering or upsetting you. And 2ndly dont have sex without a jonny on, but make sure they are your own not hers. As shes already gone to the trouble of tampering with the lubes etc, so peircing a few jonnys wouldnt be a problem to her. Hope you get the answers your after and manage to sort your relationship out. X

Newlywed2013 · 13/04/2014 12:10

Curious to know how this turned out!!

Sho1988 · 13/04/2014 13:35

Pill wise you don't need any ovulation kit to tell you when to take it. Some have a pill where you take it with no break or like myself, well use to take, you have it for 21 days with a week break and as long as you stick to how your meant to to use it there is no need for fertility lubes and ovulation kits. Sorry but if she's sneaking around like that then it rings alarm bells!

TheCrackFox · 13/04/2014 13:46

Well the Op will clearly gave to dump her as HD will never 've able to trust her again.

However, I would say, after being in a relationship for a couple of months you can't really know her properly. I am always astounded (including DH in this) how quickly men will handover the responsibility for their own fertility. It is incredibly stupid.

Anon14 · 13/04/2014 17:19

Incredibly curious to see how this worked out x

Kiki2408 · 14/04/2014 10:33

Any news??

JustACoupleOfQuestions · 24/04/2014 10:43

Well, I suppose I had better come back to this forum and give you an update.

I waited until the end of a long weekend with her to bring this up. I would say I was more disappointed than annoyed.

We shall get the worst one dealt with first. She had tampered with the lube. She had opened an old bottle, decanted the purchased lube and swapped the contents.

Now, I know her and I know her relationship with her parents, especially her father. I am pretty much 99.9% sure she would not want to disappoint him and getting pregnant outside of marriage would do that. It is this main reason, and the way she is, her thoughts, ideals ect. I don't think she was actively attempting to get pregnant. Perhaps she's made some darn stupid decisions, esp. without discussing with me. But, some of her motives was that she didn't want to heap any more pressure on me, knowing that she wanted kids and I was not sure yet. More, I was not sure yet with 'her'.

She has been in three relationships in her life (three long ones) and now at the age of 39 having met me had thought, yes, I think this could work. We do have a lot in common. Same beliefs ect. Both parents both sides of our relationship still together ect. So, we both come from stable backgrounds.

She had been a tad resistant about going on the pill due to her age and a bit naively not wanting to effect her chances of conceiving later, if we had decided to do so. I get this. She had been to the doctors to discuss, after doing endless searching, god, she searches and researches things to the n'th degree. Not just on this subject, but pretty much everything. Always for the good.

Now, the lube, which she feels really bad about. She didn't want to use normal lube, as she was not sure if it would effect her fertility. I had ignorantly assumed it would just effect my sperm, but I didn't know, and still don't. I just know it, assists if spillages occur. No, it's not a contraceptive and I don't view it that way either. But she didn't and being at a delicate age, she didn't want to effect her chances.

Equally, the ovulation test kits were because she felt happy with me and wanted to know if she was actually capable of conceiving. So, I get that too. I did suggest the odd logical of going on the pill and then testing to see if you're ovulating, esp. if the pill was going to effect such things, or effect the way in which the ovulation test works.

The test kit. Was because she was a bit late on a few days. Knowing her, a few days would be one day. She's not a nutter, she just over analyses and worries.

So. What was the outcome.

We spoke (ok, I spoke initially) pretty calmly. And she was pretty upset too, not in a 'found out way', but in a 'now I look at all of this, I see how bad it looks way'. The book was a no-go, just a suggested book by amazon based upon product purchases. I get that. She has since told me about talking to her boss at work about the situation. Who's response was to burst out laughing about how impressive the whole situation seemed.

I'd then taken a week off to think about things. We then had last weekend together, and went away. Every day, apart from the last we had quite awkward moments, not arguments, ok, they were but about nothing, other than underlying issues. So, this meant on Monday we talked for another 6 hours about everything.

So, I was able to further explain my concerns and also identify where other things were going wrong in the relationship. The bottom line being, we shall give things a go.

She needs to come off the pill and determine if she is ovulating, as her first test said she was not. Because then that will answer some of her questions.

Equally to nip in the bud some of the other things that were going on in our relationship.

But then, if this does not work, know we have tried our best - as we get on REALLY well. If it does not work, then we will both feel like we have tried.

Oh, and before this all happened, we had booked and paid for a 3 week holiday, so, we might as well do this. I'm happy with that. It's always better going on holiday with someone than your own.

We shall see what happens.

As a little bit of a back ground. I rent property out. I've seen lot's of potential tenants and I can figure them out within a few minutes. For this reason I never do credit checks or take references. In 22 years of doing this I've only been wrong twice. So, I can determine people and their characters pretty well, or at least I think. That's what I base my opinion on the girlfriend with.

I've dated other girls, and she's the first in the past 2 years who have met my parents and only the 3rd who've met my parents in my life. She's also the first whose parents have ever met mine.

I'm pretty sure life is not simple. It does have ups and downs, but you can't jump at the first bit of rough.

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Annarose2014 · 24/04/2014 11:55

OP you sound very reasonable. However, please know that at 39 she will be wanting to conceive within the next year.

I speak as a 39 year old pregnant with my first. For me, it was now or never, even though I was slightly ambivalent (in other words, had I been a man, i would have waited a few more years until i felt fully "ready"). But we women don't have that luxury. We know full well that if we leave it till 40/41/42 we may miss our boat.

Indeed, for all i knew i may already have been too late at 39. Its for this reason your gf is making sure. At her age, it's logical.

However, please realise the timescale you're dealing with here, as I don't think you do - or rather she has been vague about her timescale, saying "in the next couple of years" so as not to terrify you (further) and you're buying it.

Please realise that somebody who is tracking her ovulation at 39 years old is getting ready to have a baby SOON. She cannot wait. She was not on the pill, she was using fertility lube - FFs, even Amazon thought she was trying to conceive!

You don't mention what contraception you both have now agreed on going forward. I think we can all agree the pill isn't right for this relationship. I think we can also agree that condoms are risky - they can split, and if she's tracking her ovulation she knows what time of the month to ride you like Seabiscuit.

To be blunt, OP, you're going to be a Dad within a year. That is something i hope you consider as an option if you like her so much, and are obviously willing to deny any purposeful shadiness on her part.

By the way, you may be a good judge of character, but you are basically painting her as some naive ingenue. It's all a big "Ooops! My Bad! Gosh, that must look terrible from the outside!" At 39, with all this research and planning she's done, I assure you she is not.

JustACoupleOfQuestions · 24/04/2014 11:58

So, we shall see what happens.

Otherwise, any well balanced slim mid/late thirties ladies in Hampshire ! Me, 47, 6' 4" fit, attractive (honest), self financing, and well balanced -Unless on a slippy log :-)

Perhaps the pregnancy forum isn't the best place to look for that. As I want no kids yet :-)

All Photo's accepted !

Right... I'm off to walk the dogs.

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eurochick · 24/04/2014 12:03

I don't buy her explanations. You don't ovulate on the pill so there would be no point to ovulation testing whilst on it. Lube has no long term effect on fertility. If you are having condomless sex with her, be aware you could be a daddy soon.

Annarose2014 · 24/04/2014 12:06

OP, if you want no kids yet (and by "yet" I'm presuming several years, if ever, and thats ok) then this relationship is not right for either of you as you want different things in the very near future.

You may be well suited personality-wise, but fundamentally incompatible life-wise.

I would think twice about the holiday. Better a lost deposit than giving the wrong message. Holidays always scream "we are so adorable together!" and disentangling afterwards is twice as emotionally charged. (Take it from somebody who was dumped shortly after a romantic getaway to Paris! How I wish he'd been man enough to admit he was dubious and just let the deposit go!)

Annarose2014 · 24/04/2014 12:07

eurochick it seems she wasn't even on the pill, it seems.

DPotter · 24/04/2014 12:19

I agree with euro - the whole point of the pill is to stop ovulation and after coming off the pill, ovulation can take a little time to kick back in so I'm not surprised she wasn't ovulating first month off. And as for the lube story - nearly spat my tea at the screen.

You're being played Just - sorry but I really think it's so.

You may be an excellent judge of character in the Property market but women of a certain age who are broody enough to swap contents of a lube bottle (have you tried to take the lid off - bloody difficult on mine) I would respectfully suggest are a closed book to you and you should seriously consider slowly walking backwards out of the room - unless of course you want children with someone who would con you into pregnancy.

If you swap the genders around here what do you think the collective response of MN would be ? I think rape would be a word which would be raised quickly & often.
Best of luck

fuzzpig · 24/04/2014 12:22
Shock

I think you are far too trusting not to have dumped her TBH. But I'm a suspicious typex

gymboywalton · 24/04/2014 12:22

you're going to be a daddy!!! very very soon!

for someone who considers themselves a good judge of character, you are being very naive-unless deep down you do want a child but just don't want to face up to it.

Ohbyethen · 24/04/2014 13:29

I didn't have anything to add that hadn't been said when this thread first appeared. I was struck by how calm you seemed to be about such a monumental and possibly life changing attempt to deceive.

I have to agree that your conversation and conclusion contradict each other. She's a woman who researches and plans, even starting from a point of no school sex ed a mere 10 minutes with the fertility resources available now would mean most reasonably intelligent people could probably bluff a clinic interview. In fact I have had more useful and in depth conversation about hCG testing, LH levels and ovarian misbehaviour with MN than my GP.
That doesn't tie in with the rather lame explanations you have received, they speak more loudly of your level of knowledge and what she could slip under your radar by being very sincere.

If you have truly seen contrition and you believe she fully accepts how contemptible her premeditated actions were then best of luck to you. Unfortunately you don't have to look far to see there are women who firmly believe once there is a pregnancy then the deceit, previous reservations and possible future issues will be overridden and that gambling with the lives of everyone involved is completely worth it.
If she doesn't accept your no means no and not 'No, but if it happens I'll stand by you, finance you and provide your happy ever after' then your holiday is a green light.
If you don't want to end the relationship because you don't find this a deal breaker then I strongly suspect you will be informed of a pregnancy within a year - because she hasn't got the time to wait for you to be ready, she knows deceiving you has no long term repercussions and her pay off is worth the risk.

ChicaMomma · 24/04/2014 14:16

She's 39, you're 47- shit or get off the pot.. Dont waste any more of your time with her if you dont want kids- and dont waste any more of her precious tick tock time either. Simples. She went about it all wrong though- trying to dupe you into getting pregnant.

BTW, 2 of my close friends trapped a man this way- by their own admission- they both had happy-ever-afters (so far anyway). Wouldnt be my cup of tea but there you go.. the biological clock does strange things to a woman.

ohthegoats · 24/04/2014 14:45

I can't help thinking this is a troll. No one could be that naïve, surely?

moggle · 24/04/2014 16:50

ohthegoats I don't think it's naive - why would a 47 year old man with seemingly no interest in kids have any idea that things like OPKs and fertility lube even exist?! My DH didn't before we started TTC. I find it completely believable (but agree with recent posters that her explanations are tenuous).
ChicaMomma says it best - OP, don't spend much more time in this relationship if you don't want kids. Let her try and find someone to have a baby and relationship with, or find a willing sperm donor through proper channels (eg a clinic!).

Darksideofthemoon88 · 24/04/2014 17:51

OP: This is ridiculous. You stated quite clearly that you don't want kids 'yet'. Your gf does want them - and soon. Even if she's not entirely sure she wants them in the next year, she's extremely likely to want to start trying - she's 39 and our fertility typically starts to drop after 35 and further still after 40. She may not have many fertile years left, and conception doesn't always occur within the first few months of trying. If you genuinely don't want a baby soon, you need to either have the conversation and leave your gf so you can both find someone else who better shares your respective life plans, or you need to agree on using contraception for the time being, and accept that either it may be too late for her by the time you're ready, or that you may have to agree to have a child before you're ready.

Brodicea · 24/04/2014 18:06

I don't want to sound harsh as you seem on the whole reasonable, but one thing that stands out to me is the flippant and non-committal tone in which you continue to talk about her. You clearly don't fully believe her story, are going on holiday with her grudgingly because it would be better than going alone, and joke about looking around for someone new - your heart is not really in this, and it sounds to me like you're stringing her along a bit in order to have a partner for company.
If she's telling the truth and she's just testing her fertility, then she wants a baby sooner than her vague 'a couple of years'. If you don't want that, let her loose now.

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