How will the abolition of mums and dads effect us and our babies?

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Does anyone else mind not being recognised as the mother of their baby, if the law changes, maybe in the new year, with the marriage changes?
Will mumsnet have to rename itself as LegalParentAnet?

Sled, I knew I liked you.

Oh, I got deleted. OK. Shall I try to make my point politely?

There is a very Daily-Mailesque logic to this:

Fact: a minor footnote in new law adjusts the wording of birth certificate from mother/father to parent A/parent B

DM headline: OMG!!!1!!!!!!! THEY'RE ABOLISHING MUMS AND DADS!!!1!!!!!!!1!!!* If you don't agree then YOU DON'T LOVE YOUR KIDS and WANT TO ADOPT THEM!!!!!

Tsk, epic bold fail.

Where did singing come into it? I'm only allowed to sing in the car. By myself. or with DS who can't talk yet to protest

Because rephrasing a previous personal attack as a statement is cheating

On a parenting site as diverse as Mnet an opening post and opinion like the ops is is either very very stupid or very very calculated and nasty.

If it is stupid. Than it is likely the op may not see sense and will only focus on the horrible mean mummies insulting them - once your post is deleted you can point out it wasn't actually that offensive and was mostly true.

If it is calculated and nasty than you are giving them a lovely Swiss cheese thread that that can manipulate to their will.

The op is however offensive to non biological parents and gay people. and thankfully this sort of attitude is not on, on put up with on Mnet. Nor should it be.

ok I'm confused by this thread. I was so engrossed I have just boiled dry the pan I had my expressing stuff in my house now smells of melted bottles. I guess that makes me Bad parent z

@EmpressOfTheNorthPole

Sorry if I sounded whiney but serious question. On her webchat Justine said it was ok to put 'Your post makes you sound like an arse and here's why.' That's why I told Fanjo to rephrase.

Can you sing, Rebecca?

erm, my singing is fabulous after lots of wine

YY, Justine did say that, however, Fanjo's post did not just say 'Your posts makes you sound like...' it clearly overstepped the line.

Oh. OK.

If we give you in that case, will you make up a song (or get someone else in HQ to make it up, we don't mind) and sing it to us so that State can call her baby Jesus and give the New Messiah to the world in his cabbage van?

OliviaMumsnet's thinking about it but BethleHelenMumsnet chickened out.

Honey, you're sounding very sensible today.

WiththeDude - Is that true? Have I massively failed my kids by being straight?

Hmm, that's a tricky one regarding 2 female parents, the baby being the egg from one and carried by the other - who would be Parent A? I can't see this legislation helping a whole lot tbh.

I can only assume they'll both be very very happy being called Mum

Empress - it happens occasionally. It's really quite concerning, if I'm honest.

It must be.

Going by what it sounds like drakes get up to, I can see the same drake being Parent B to an awful lot of Parent As.

Parent A is the birth mother and Parent B is the other one, whose DNA it is doesn't matter. Even if the non-birth mother is the genetic mother, she's still Parent B

I'm assuming this because right now, if two mums are going on the bc together, the birth mother goes on as the first parent always, pretty sure about that anyway

Two dads, I have no idea, maybe they get to pick?

Where is HotHeadPaisan when you need her? She linked before to a study which showed that children of same-sex relationships were as well adjusted or perhaps better adjusted than children of heterosexual parents. I will try to find it on my own!

HoneyDragon, can you clarify something. You had a typo here:
"Because I swear Justine gets stroppier every year and I really don't want her to follow through on her annal threats to shut down over Xmas "if we don't bloody well behave".

Did you mean annual threats or anal threats? Cos, you know, one has an entirely different meaning from the other.

I think it might be partly dependent on whether she makes the threats on a Friday.

Chip - either way they are both scary!

Really wish I hadn't seen this thread. OP you could not have been more offensive about adoptive parents if you had tried.

Your ignorance of adoption is breathtaking.

I have decided I want to be parent Z. That way, I get to be the fun parent with no responsibilities for vomit or lice or worms or for cleaning a tub full of paint out of the carpet.

Mmm "Thats why legal parent As go to Iceland"..doesnt have the same prawn ring about it.

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Angels, that's the thing, her posts make her sound as if she IS ignorant. And self-contradictory - see SledYuleCated's post upthread. In almost the same breath she calls adoptive parents heroes and talks about being "reduced to their status*. As a gay mum I'm also offended but her posts really do make her sound as if her opinions are honestly not worth our getting worked up about.

Actually, this is the sort of thing my MIL goes on about. After ds3 was born she came over with a present for him and then said "chip and MrChip, I have a petition here for you to sign, it's about protecting families"
Had a look and it was a piece of homophobic anti-civil-partnership rubbish!
I refused to sign it and told her why.
She acted all bemused and asked why I didn't want to protect my children. I asked how exactly gay people marrying would affect my children unless they were gay? In which case it would be a good thing.
There are people out there who think there should be a hierarchy, with biological parents at the top, adoptive parents just below and gay parents at the bottom. All very will so long as you're the one at the top.

My mum died when I was little and my dad was therefore both Mum and Dad to me. So does this now make him Legal Parent BA? In which case should I buy him a load of gold jewellery and tell him to start being afraid of flying???

Fuck. Ing. Hell.

When I first saw the length of this thread I avoided it. I wish I'd stayed away now. However, I think I can help with a bit of translation of the OP.
What she meant to post was:-

"I hate gay people. I am better than gay people and I am better than adoptive parents, whether gay or otherwise. Discuss."

She'll have us all goosestepping around the place and referring to the Master Race before long. I repeat: Fuck. Ing. Hell.

Stow- you missed off the bit where the OP implied that step parents could steal the children of the biological parents (or at least the legal rights in respect of them) in the world's strangest game of pass the parcel. So I think you also need to add "I am better than step parents and anyone who separates and has a new relationship"