How will the abolition of mums and dads effect us and our babies?

[kfca]

Does anyone else mind not being recognised as the mother of their baby, if the law changes, maybe in the new year, with the marriage changes?
Will mumsnet have to rename itself as LegalParentAnet?

I clicked on the thread expecting to hear that all babies would now be grown in glass beakers and raised by officials in white coats. 'Legal Parent A' seems a bit of a non-issue in comparison.

I am going to insist dd calls me "legal poopoopants A" from now on and that she refers to her father as "Legal weeweehead B" and some official gravitas to the toilet humour name calling.

On a more serious note: who do you think is more deserving of the title mum op? Is it a) the birth mother of 6 week old baby who beat the her so badly around the head that she now has profound learning difficulties or is it b) the woman who adopted her and loves her, provides for her and protects her from all harm????

There was a very similar thread a month or so ago from someone called Dopish and as a non-biological lesbian mum, I got fairly worked up on it.

This time, I'm going to reminisce about a Pride march I was on around 10 years ago. There was a twat standing there with a placard saying something like GAY'S WILL ROT IN HELL.

Well, obviously I couldn't let that pass. I walked straight up to him to put him right.

As he realised I was heading for him, he drew himself up, clearly ready for an argument and I said...

"That apostrophe's wrong."

He didn't say a lot after that.

Kfca, the apostrophes in your second post are wrong.

I'm going back to the Puddle before I start getting annoyed with you.

@Empress, I think I love you.

Goodness that ComRes poll was bad.

Well I have sat and read all 10 pages, hoping I had not missed the crucial legislation that explains how my status on a form would change my parental rights, and low and behold it appears to be the figment of an extremist imagination.

So to conclude, I don't care! I am parent A, DH may feel a bit peeved that he has been down graded to parent B, but he probably wouldn't notice.

I have however wondered how same sex couples complete things like birth certificates, so parent A and B as aposed to mother and father would reduce that complication I imagine (please correct me if I am wrong on this, I am ignorant when it comes to completing parent paper work, PFB has not yet arrived!)

The issue is that as same-sex couples can't have their own babies, the >99%of couples who can would be reduced in law to the same status as adopted parents, and many like me are deeply, deeply, deeply unhappy about that (regardless of what colour, sex or sexual orientation our children are).

This has been really helpful for me, especially from those who say they would rather have civil partnerships open to all, (and leave marriage to us throwbacks). Cheers, feel much happier.

I'm off to a thread about dyslexia now, to see if I can find a remedy for myself.

Why does it effect you that all parents have the same status irrespective of who gave birth to the child?

A parent is a parent and should have the same rights no matter what the family set up is.

Nothing will change for you, a lot will change for families which have set ups out of the 'norm' and those changes will be very positive.

Strange how you keep on claiming so many people agree with you yet I haven't seen one person come close to supporting your rants.

I will ask again, but I'm not holding out much hope, and evidence to show that mums and dads are being abolished?

"The issue is that as same-sex couples can't have their own babies" shit!!!i have two children and am in a same sex civil partnership! Are they alien babies???

As it is the law is thus. A child conceived in a civil partnership after April 2009 is considered to have two legal parents.

My partner had to adopt our children as they were concieved prior to 2009. Their new birth certs say mother/parent and father/parent

I think any new legislation won't take anything away from any parent. A parent is a parent. Whether you call yourself mum/mamma/bawbag...well that's up to you isn't it. You will still be a legal parent and probably a bawbag

REDUCED in law to those of adoptive parents?

Whaaaat?

Same sex couples can have their own babies. Maybe not biologically with their partner (please correct me if in-vitro might fix that), but they can have children. HTH.

I have come across homophobia like this before (though mostly on the internet), but what amazes me, kfca, is your sustained attack on adoptive parents. Do you really think that you will find support for that stance here?

I am more than happy to have the same status as adoptive parents as I don't see that status as any different to the status I currently have as one of DD's parents.

Ah, suddenly it is all clear.

Homophobic nutters clutching at straws to find reasons to be against gay marriage.

Just get over it.

Do you know what matters most? It isn't what a parent is legally referred to as. It isn't who is doing the parenting. It is whether the children are well looked after and loved.

Changing a legal term will not affect you.
Other people getting married will not affect you.
Children being brought up by same-sex parents will not affect you.

And what's more, none of these things are dangerous in any way.

Don't like gay marriage? Don't do it then.
Want children to have a mum & dad? So do it.
Want to refer to yourself a mum? Do it.

Leave everyone else alone

And by the way, there are several thousand 'stranger' adoptions a year. Not a couple of fucking hundred

Fanjo, rewrite and repost that NOW or when it gets deleted it will be gone. Put `Your posts make you sound like a cunt, a first class nutter and a dickhead who should fuck off' and you should be ok.

This thread would be hilarious if the OP's views weren't so offensive misguided.

However he/she has had the perhaps unintended effect (note the correct usage ) of making hope that any legislation ensuring that family units that are different from the "norm" are protected and clarified in the law is brought forward

The fact that there are intolerant horrible misguided people like the OP just proves how necessary legislation is.

Any suggestion that my parents are somehow lesser because they aren't my biological patents, will result in a kick in the arse from me.

I don't miss, or really give two fucking hoots about my biological parents. They aren't my parents. My parents are the couple who parented me, who put the effort in and who have been there for me for the past 26 years, and who continue to be there for me.

There is little I could write at this point which wouldn't end up with me being deleted so I will just wander off now I think. mutters about how offensive it is to use the phrase REDUCED to the status of adoptive parent and the irony that if I said what I wanted it would result in my deletion