How will the abolition of mums and dads effect us and our babies?

[kfca]

Does anyone else mind not being recognised as the mother of their baby, if the law changes, maybe in the new year, with the marriage changes?
Will mumsnet have to rename itself as LegalParentAnet?

It seems from what has been said that adoptive parents have the same rights and status as biological parents whose children haven't been adopted by other people anyway.

This is perfectly reasonable. I don't feel my status is reduced because other people can apply for the same status in different circumstances. They're not suddenly going to be applying to adopt my DS (even though they must surely want to as he is lovely, he is still legally mine) so it's not taking anything from me.

The issue is that as same-sex couples can't have their own babies, the >99%of couples who can would be reduced in law to the same status as adopted parents, and many like me are deeply, deeply, deeply unhappy about that (regardless of what colour, sex or sexual orientation our children are)

Jesus wept, just when you think you've heard it all. Reduced to the same status as adopted parents????

Though you have to laugh, I don't know any parents that have been adopted. Most people adopt babies or children.

I think what I find really :( is that there are still people around who are as bigotted and prejudiced as kfca appears to be. But I suppose I should really feel sorry for him/her - to have to live in such a narrow minded bubble.

What makes me :) is that, when asked the straight question (no pun intended!), 64% of Scots agreed that "same-sex couples should have the right to get married". I'm glad I live in a country that is tolerant of other people's choices. :)

Am I missing the point?

does it matter?

I assume we won't be required to ask out children to stop calling us mum and to call us Legal Parent A instead.

Hello, Legal Parent A (or will it just be A for short?) What's for breakfast?
Toast, Legal Offspring A. Tell Legal Offspring B to brush his teeth

In the home, we'll be mum. At school, at the doctor's - everywhere at all times in our day to day life, we'll be mum. (or dad. or whatever)

It's just on forms and stuff like that?

I honestly don't see the problem.

Actually, there is a lot of evidence that children do better with two lesbian parents.

But, the homophobes get a bit hysterical when that is suggested.

Why is it, whenever any minority group are given the same rights as the majority, do a few people complain that the majority are being dragged down? It doesn't make any sense. Though it shouldn't surprise us, happened with every rights movement in history.

Right you lot.

It's advent. This usually means an increase in really stupidly out of order Ops. Such as we have seen here.

This does not mean however you have to get yourselves deleted. Can you please get your point across within the guidelines.

Because I swear Justine gets stroppier every year and I really don't want her to follow through on her annal threats to shut down over Xmas "if we don't bloody well behave".

Let utilise this thread to practise our staying within the guidelines skills - then we will be prepared for the rest of the holiday nutters.

although I am pmsl at in no mood for nobheads

Eh? I don't understand. There is no 'reducing' to level of adoptive parents. The adoption order gives them the same legal status as a biological parent.

Isn't this Legal Parent thing more designed with surrogacy in mind? For eg if your sperm came from an anonymous donor and your mum asked a surrogate to use her egg, you can see it gets potentially a bit confusing to define 'mum' and 'dad'.

I can't believe it needs saying, but the least important part of parenting is whether or not you squeezed one out your own birth canal. Sadly, I think for some people, the only thing they can achieve in life of any note is to have a baby, so they start to get awful twitchy if they think that status is jot being sufficiently lauded.

"I can't believe it needs saying, but the least important part of parenting is whether or not you squeezed one out your own birth canal. Sadly, I think for some people, the only thing they can achieve in life of any note is to have a baby, so they start to get awful twitchy if they think that status is jot being sufficiently lauded."

Agreed.

I'm glad I don't live in OP's bubble, I'm glad I live in a country that wants to give equal rights, it is the right thing to do.

I frequently sign school consent forms for ds: I have a different surname to him and they don't ask what my relationship is to him.

Fortunately, they seem to accept that I am his Parent/Guardian/Carer not even sure what the form says

Am and that kfca obviously doesn't have enough confidence in his/her own parenting that he/she thinks that some imaginary change in the law will change her status.

My ds knows who I am the bitch that is nagging him to tidy his room

Sorry HoneyDragon too late, I got myself deleted upthread with my eloquent rebuttal of the OP

Does Justine really threaten to shut down for Xmas?

Who are we against? I'm all confused, is it the duck fuckers, the same sex parents or the sad but heroic parents who've adopted.

I need to know what to get on the T shirts.

I am actually gobsmacked at how ill-informed and ridiculous you sound, OP. I can't type any more due to talk guidelines, but see you next Tuesday.

Djembe - she really does. In the same desperate way we tell the dc's Santa won't come if you don't behave , but lets not test her.

Juno
I think its probably safe to be against fucking ducks if you are not avian.

@HoneyDragon

Right you lot.

It's advent. This usually means an increase in really stupidly out of order Ops. Such as we have seen here.

This does not mean however you have to get yourselves deleted. Can you please get your point across within the guidelines.

Because I swear Justine gets stroppier every year and I really don't want her to follow through on her annal threats to shut down over Xmas "if we don't bloody well behave".

Let utilise this thread to practise our staying within the guidelines skills - then we will be prepared for the rest of the holiday nutters.

yy, wot Honey said, please do take a look at the Talk guidelines and try and follow them, what with it being the season of Good Will an all.

Many thanks to those who reported, please do keep them coming.

But SPsFanjo rewrote her post the way Justine TOLD us to do it.

Why was it deleted???????

@EmpressOfTheNorthPole

But SPsFanjo rewrote her post the way Justine TOLD us to do it.

Why was it deleted???????

Really? [born yesterday emoticon]

Phew - managed to avoid being deleted so far - despite the fact that I find the OP's views totally abhorrent and objectionable.

Such homophobia would be laughable if it weren't so dangerous - especially when it veers into prejudice against adopters and adoptees :( Ignorant at best, verging on hate crime at worst.

I don't know one parent who doesn't object to these changes Could that be because they had you 'explaining' these 'changes' to them? They probably said yes to whatever you were saying to shut them up.

On a more serious note, and purely for interest, I know a couple who have a baby. they are both women, one carried the baby, but used the other's egg, with donated sperm. Who would parent A and B be?

Good grief.

Have all the biscuits been eaten, yet? Or are we starting on the slightly dodgy brownies?

Sorry if I sounded whiney but serious question. On her webchat Justine said it was ok to put 'Your post makes you sound like an arse and here's why.' That's why I told Fanjo to rephrase.

Can you sing, Rebecca?

Hang on. Lets sort something out...

You say adoptive parents are heroes.

You do not wish to be reduced to the level of an adoptive parent.

Therefore, you consider yourself better than a hero.

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HOLY FUCKER DUCKS, YOU MUT BE GOD!! In which case you should be aware that State may or may not be carrying the new messiah but only if MN pull their finger out and start singing