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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE · 04/10/2011 12:53

We need a new thread already.

I hope this thread will give support to those suffering from the Horrors of
Hyperemesis, and that it will help to talk to other sufferers and those who have survived it.

There is no such thing as tmi here - the nature of the illness means that you have to be graphic when discussing it - and feel free to moan all you wish. You have reason to!

I want to thank FluffyWhiteKittens MOH Grumblin LA Caramel NitNat Coconuts Luce Grandma TheOnly and current sufferers MaryLou PearlFeekerry and many others who have been invaluable on the former threads. My apologies to anyone I've rudely overlooked, I daren't keep gabbling too long, or I might put off current sufferers.

Remember, when you are at your worst, the words from the Eastern story: - 'This Too Shall Pass.' It will...

Below is some brilliant information from MOH's website www.pregnancysicknesssos.co.uk. However, if you don't feel up to reading it now, feel free to skip it for now and have a good moan.

Hyperemesis gravidarum (HG) is a severe form of pregnancy sickness which affects between 1 and 3% of pregnant women. Historically, it was mistakenly thought to be a psychosomatic illness and women were treated as though they had a psychotic disorder. This view has been comprehensively disproven by numerous research papers in recent decades, and it is now known to be an illness of organic origin, although its causes have yet to be fully understood. There is a persistent common belief that no drugs should be given to women in the first trimester of pregnancy. This is not true. There are a number of effective anti-emetic (anti sickness) drugs which can safely be taken in early pregnancy. Unfortunately, the erroneous views that HG is a psychosomatic conditions and that no drugs are safe in the first trimester still persists in many places, shockingly, even amongst GPs and midwives. Sadly, many women still come across unsympathetic health professionals who are ignorant of current treatment methods.

How do I know if I have HG?
If you are suffering from persistent nausea and/or vomiting which is preventing you from eating and/or drinking then you may be suffering from HG. With ordinary nausea and vomiting of pregnancy (NVP), the sickness does not interfere with your ability to eat and drink enough, you should not be losing weight and you should be able to continue to care for yourself and your family although you may not be feeling too great. With HG, sufferers often need help caring for themselves, never mind look after their family. The illness can be completely debilitating for weeks or even months. If you're not sure, the HER foundation website who have a fact sheet to help you determine whether or not you are suffering from HG
www.helpher.org/mothers/hyperemesis-or-morning-sickness/index.php

Diagnosis is important as you will inevitably become dehydrated and you will need to be admitted to hospital for IV rehydration. Starvation is another risk. When your body burns fat for energy, it produces chemicals called ketones which can be detected in your urine. You can monitor your levels of starvation using ketosticks, available from pharmacies. You pee on the stick and it monitors your levels of ketones. If levels are high, you should tell your doctor or midwife. If you are worried about dehydration and ketone levels and you can't see your doctor or midwife, you can go to A&E.

Facts and Figures and FAQs

HG is worse in the first trimester for the majority of sufferers, though a significant proportion (10 ? 20%) suffer for the entire duration of the pregnancy. If you have close relatives (mothers, sisters) who have had HG, you are also at significantly higher risk of being a sufferer yourself. HG is the most common cause of hospitalisation of pregnant women in the first trimester.

Is it worse carrying a boy or a girl?
There is conflicting evidence as to whether having a boy or a girl makes HG worse, some studies say boys, some say girls.

Is it worse with twins?
Yes there is evidence that carrying more than one baby makes HG worse.

Will my baby be ok?
Babies born to HG mothers are usually absolutely fine. If you lose some weight during the first trimester the risks for the baby are low as it does not need much nutrition at this time and your body should have enough stores from before your pregnancy. However, if you continue to to lose weight due to lack of treatment or failed treatment, then there is an increased risk of low birth weight or pre-term birth. Studies show that this is a risk for women who are severely ill, are dehydrated for long periods and lose more than 10% of their body weight.

There is also growing evidence of long term health effects in some children born to mothers who suffer malnutrition in pregnancy. In some cases this is not evident until adulthood with increased risk of chronic conditions such as diabetes and hypertension.
For more information see forums.helpher.org/viewtopic.php?t=18 and www.helpher.org/hyperemesis-gravidarum/complications/fetal-programming.php

I've heard that being sick is a sign of a healthy pregnancy, is this the case with HG?
You will often be told that morning sickness is a good sign and you should be happy that you're feeling sick. This is generally the case with normal NVP, however, it is not the case with untreated HG. There is actually a higher risk of pre-term birth and low birth weight. However, continuing to feel sick may be a sign that the pregnancy is still progressing. Some women with HG who miscarried reported that the first sign was that they suddenly stopped feeling sick.

What are the treatments?
Initially you will be advised to use non-pharmacoligical strategies which are similar to the general advice given to any pregnant women suffering from nausea. These include eating little and often, eating protein-rich, low-fat meals, avoiding triggers of nausea such as strong smells and getting enough rest. You can try ginger, seabands (accupressure wristbands used for travel sickness) and extra doses of vitamin B6. Avoid getting out of bed in the morning without something in your stomach such as a tea biscuit or cracker. Some women find that these give relief in the initial stages of HG but they become ineffective once the illness is in full swing.

The next line of treatment is prescribed antiemetics such as phenergan, cyclizine, stemetil and ondansetron. For many women these work well and control the nausea and vomiting enough for them to eat and drink normally and regain some of their lost weight. Many can even return to normal life. You may find that one antiemetic on its own is not effective and you may need to try different combinations but you can discuss this with your doctor. Even with antiemetics, you will probably still need to use coping strategies such as getting extra rest, eating small frequent meals and avoiding triggers when the HG is at its peak. If you are dehydrated, you may be admitted to hospital for IV fluids. Minerals and vitamins can be added to the drip to replace any you may have lost, as well as antiemetics.

Unfortunately, antiemetics don't work for everyone. If they are ineffective, you should be referred to an obstetrician (if you haven't been already) for the next line of treatment, which will probably be steroids. These carry a small risk of cleft palate, but this will be discussed with your doctor. In a small number of cases even this is not effective and drastic treatments such as feeding with a tube directly into the stomach may have to be considered.

My GP is unsympathetic and refuses to prescribe me drugs - what should I do?
Unfortunately this experience is all too common. In this case you should see another GP if possible. You should also ask for a referral to an obstetrician. If you remain untreated and become dehydrated, you can have yourself admitted to A&E for IV fluids and ask to be seen by an obstetrician.

Do alternative remedies work?

Some women are greatly helped by alternative medicine, particularly Homepathy and Acupunture. Some women can claim to have had the illness 'stopped in its tracks' by Acupunture, but success varies between individual patients and it tends to be expensive. These remedies are worth a try if you can afford it but have a back up plan incase it doesn't work.

How long will this last for?
For most women, HG peaks in the first trimester and tails off or disappears completely later in the pregnancy. The usual advice for morning sickness is that it will improve after 12 weeks. The majority of HG sufferers find that it takes longer than this. Unfortunately, some women suffer severely for the entire pregnancy. Others find that it improves, but they suffer from nausea and occasional vomiting until birth. Relapse is quite common especially if you have tried to return to your normal busy life. There is a great temptation to make up for lost time and become very active once you start to feel better, but this very often leads to the nausea returning. You should be very careful about resuming work and normal household activities even if you feel as though you're up to it. Be careful too about stopping your medication, do it very gradually and resume at the first sign of the condition returning. You may have to continue to take it for the entire pregnancy to prevent a relapse.
All I can drink is coke, I'm worried that I'm not eating a healthy diet.

Through pregnancy, we are bombarded with advice about what to eat and what not to eat. Women with HG often find that the list of food and drinks that they can keep down is very small and not at all from the healthy options. For some reason, women with Hyperemesis ofen find sweet and salty foods ie, sweet drinks like coke, and crisps, are more likely to stay down than healthy foods. Their peculiar diet can lead to disapproving comments and the incorrect assumption that this is how they normally eat.
Various women find different drinks acceptable. Coke (often left to go flat) Lucozade, lemonade, milkshakes and IronBru, Dr Pepper, orange squash, apple juice, lime juice, ice cubes made of flat coke or just tapwater, ice lollies and sips of tepid water can help in keeping rehydrated. 

When the illness is at its worst during the early hormonal surges - typically between eight and ten weeks- then it is difficult to retain any liquids and you may need to be hospitalised for rehydration at about this time. 

When solids do become bearable,jelly, tinned fruit, ice lollies, ice cream, crisps, fish fingers, potato cakes, crumpets, soda bread and similar potato based or salty foods have often been found to be acceptable.

The important thing to remember at this time is that it doesn't matter what you eat or drink, the crucial thing is that you eat or drink something. Don't forego something because you are worried that it's bad for you. In a normal diet, too much salt and sugar is bad for you, but when you consume nothing else, this may be your only source of calories, fluid and salt for the day. Instead of berating yourself for your unhealthy diet, congratulate yourself that you have kept something down because your body needs it. If you are able to take vitamin tablets or syrups, then do so but most women find that large multivitamin tablets make the nausea worse. You may be able to get vitamins that dissolve under your tongue which you may be able to tolerate. If and when you begin to feel better, you can start to re-introduce more healthy food.

Will it go away when I give birth?
The good news is that for the vast majority of sufferers the physical symptoms of HG disappear completely as soon as the baby is born. You should be aware though that it is not unknown for the nausea to persist after birth especially if you have been severely ill. If this occurs, speak to your doctor. For women who suffered persistent, long term nausea and vomiting, it may take some time to restore energy levels and nutritional reserves. Moreover, while the physical symptoms may leave, the trauma of HG can leave an emotional legacy for many women, especially when combined with the rigours of caring for a baby. If you have any concerns, speak to your doctor or midwife. Don't feel that you should just be able to pick yourself up and get on with things, if you're having problems you are entitled to seek support.

Will I get it in my next pregnancy and will it be the same?
Unfortunately, having HG in one pregnancy puts you at a high risk of suffering in subsequent pregnancies although it is possible to escape it. Some women find that the HG gets better in subsequent pregnancies, whereas others find it stays the same or gets worse. There is really no way of knowing how your pregnancies will relate to each other.

Can I do anything to prepare for HG incase I get it again in my next pregnancy?
The HER website has a page of advice on preparing for your next pregnancy. forums.helpher.org/viewtopic.php?t=17. If you had medication which worked for you in your previous pregnancy, make sure that you have it ready to take as soon as you feel ill. Studies show that the quicker you get on top of the sickness, the better the medication works. Because HG can start within days of missing your period, see your GP as soon as you know you're pregnant.

Useful sources of information
The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists in the UK have no guidelines on the treatment and management of HG. However, the American College of Obs/Gynae (ACOG) and the Society of Obs/Gynae of Canada (SOGC) have published guidelines which can be found at the following sites

www.sogc.org/guidelines/public/120E-CPG-October2002.pdf 

www.guideline.gov/content.aspx?id=10939

Pregnancy Sickness Support is a UK based organisation run by GPs and midwives with direct experience of HG. They have a helpline which you can call for advice ? if nobody answers you leave a message and a midwife will call you back. They will be able to answer your questions about treatments and they keep a note of doctors around the country who are known to be sympathetic to HG sufferers and are willing to treat it with medication. Their website is at www.pregnancy sicknesssupport.org.uk

The Hyperemesis Education and Research Foundation (HER) is a US based foundation which was formed by HG survivors and has a mission to research the causes of HG and provide information and support for other sufferers. They have links to the latest scientific research and are actively involved in funding research, although you usually have to live in the USA to take part. There are loads of threads on every topic related to HG from women who have been through it, including very useful information about which treatment regimes worked. Their website is at www.hyperemesis.org.
Dealing with well meaning but unhelpful advice

Women with HG are often told by friends and family that it's just morning sickness, a normal part of pregnancy and you just have to put up with it. Many HG sufferers report extreme frustration at being advised to try ginger, dry crackers or eat little and often. Most of them have tried every remedy they can think of to no avail. Because most women are familiar with NVP, there is often an attitude of, well I had morning sickness and I just got on with it. HG sufferers are often left with the feeling that they are whingers and malingerers and that if only they could adopt a positive attitude then they would be fine. This can lead to further depression in what is already a depressive condition. In order to deal with this, it is important that the HG sufferer has some supportive friends or family who can firmly but politely fend off these comments. The sufferer will often have no energy to deal with it herself. If possible explain to the person giving the advice that you are not suffering from morning sickness, you are suffering from a condition called hyperemesis gravidarum.

I have never known anyone with HG. Where can I talk to women who understand how I feel?
There is a support thread on the talk boards here (ask MT to add link) which is run by sufferers and ex-sufferers. There are discussions of practical issues such as tips for coping and medication but the real value of this forum is that you get sympathy and understanding from people who know exactly what you're going through. If you just want to moan or let off steam, you are free to do so and nobody will hold it against you. Comments are also welcome from relatives, partners, friends and carers of HG sufferers. The HER website also has talk boards at forums.helpher.org/. There is also a UK based yahoo group called Bloomingawful at health.groups.yahoo.com/group/bloomingawful/

Finally from me, here's a list of due dates. Do add yourself when you feel up to it.

ElliottsMummy: EDD 25/9/11
Mancbird: EDD 08/10/11
AgBag: EDD 18/10/11
HeftyMutha: EDD 28/10/11
Littlewizz: EDD 6/11/11
CakeForBreakfast: EDD 07/11/11
Marylou: EDD 9/11/11
MotherofPearl: EDD 17/11/11
Eggy: EDD 30/11/11
LadyOTCM: 01/12/11
Diddygirl: EDD 19/12/11
Bensgirl: EDD
Alias: EDD ??/12?11
m1nn1e: EDD ??/01/12
Angel: 16/01/12
Seapie: 30/01/12
Louby86: EDD 17/02/12
MummyMccar: 23/02/12
Feekerry 19/03/2012
Magnum White 26/03/2012
Helibee 25/04/2012
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LucindaE · 04/10/2011 13:05

OK, everyone, I hope?! How is everyone? Mother hen clucks and fusses...
Lucinda
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Magnumwhite · 04/10/2011 13:11

Found you!
having a much better day today thank you. Hope everyone else is x

feekerry · 04/10/2011 13:24

Found you! Great opening information lucinda!

LucindaE · 04/10/2011 13:29

Thank you, Feekerry! Smile Magnum I am glad that today is better...
Lucinda
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MotherofPearl · 04/10/2011 13:31

Well done Lucinda, it worked! Hope everyone is having an OK day. I am trying to work but finding it so hard to concentrate at the moment. I work mainly at home which is great and means I can fit my work around times when I feel least sick, but at the moment I seem to not be able to concentrate at all. Ah well, just 3 1/2 weeks left of work and then I plan to do nothing but laze around! :)

louby86 · 04/10/2011 15:00

Hello everyone! Sorry I disappeared for a little while, finally back at work and struggling a bit, just seem to be sleeping when I get home at the minute and we all know how much worse the sickness is without enough sleep!

Hello to the people who have joined since I last posted!

Off to catch up on the old thread now.....

helibee · 04/10/2011 15:56

Just a quick hi, I am miserable and fed up of throwing up every 30 min today :( jelly has stayed down for 40 min so far so am off for some sleep

theonlyhb2 · 04/10/2011 17:07

well done lucinda on the link! most impressed :) cocoanuts taught you well.

i think it was feekerry who said on the other thread about when it goes.......i threw up once during labour, and when I woke from the anaesthetic after my emergency surgery, I was demanding burger king. Dr's kept asking how I was feeling as they didn't think I was going to make it and I was just amazed at how good I felt! what's 3.5 litres of blood loss compared to months and months of HG? they thought I was taking the piss, but I truly wasn't, I felt amazing (even better after another 2 blood transfusions, that made me realise how bad I had felt the whole time). It wasn't so much the sickness/nausea lifting as the feeling of suddenly being normal and feeling sane in my brain.......then when home from hospital I had so much energy! It last for a few weeks :) Kept being told to rest but this was the best I had felt all year so sod lying in bed resting, get me out of bed and in the fridge!

hugs for helibee xx

LucindaE · 04/10/2011 18:22

Glad people are coming over..T hanks, everyone, Coconuts deserves a medal for teaching me, I am a dunce at IT.
Helibee Poor old you, how horrible, so nothing is any good today, I hope the jelly stays put, daring it to reappear...I hope the sleep helps.Sad Sending you gentle cyber pats...
Louby and Pearl Sympathies over having to work, so exhausting, and teaching, Louby Aagh! But fortunately, you have never been caught short in the classroom?
TheOnly With that blood loss it only goes to show how awful you must have felt before, my goodness...
Lucinda

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fluffywhitekittens · 04/10/2011 18:31

Hellllllllooooooo :)

MOH100 · 04/10/2011 20:37

Been lurking a bit recently, madly busy. Also having problem getting correct specs prescription so getting headaches when using computer. Have to go back to optician...again. Hello to newbies, welcome and hope you're all managing to get help from your doctors and midwives. Smile

grandmaagain · 04/10/2011 20:59

well done lucinda Thanks

spannermary · 04/10/2011 22:47

So...having somehow managed to avoid throwing up all day (amazing - having thrown up pretty much non stop previously), my body seems to be rebelling badly and finding other, delightful ways, to expel things...

It's delightful. :(

louby86 · 05/10/2011 13:34

Finally, after weeks of it being taken to work, I have the laptop to myself on my day off and can catch up!

Thank you for sorting out a new thread Lucinda, you do such a good job of looking after us all Smile

This has been going pretty much since I was diagnosed with HG but have my last (fingers crossed) meeting re: the nasty boss so hopefully from tomorrow I'll be able to go back to my orginal place of work after only spending about 3 days there since July! If it's not the answer I wanted the whole process starts all over again, probably until maternity leave starts!

On a happier note, I'd like to share with you all that we've found out we're expecting a little girl!!

Take it easy spannermary from experience I got how you are describing after over doing things. Had to stop having late nights and attempting to be sociable for a while as I would more than pay for it the next day!

nina79 · 05/10/2011 14:44

I am 27 weeks now, thank god, the hyperemesis faded after 19 weeks and a total of 20 days/nights in hospital over that period. It was actually THE worst time of my life and I am so grateful that it faded and I have now started to enjoy the pregnancy. I do feel that 19weeks really set me back a lot in terms of connecting with the baby/pregnancy emotionally. I lost 2 stone during the HG (went from 11st to 9st) and I have only really started getting a bit of a bump now so its only in the last few weeks that my mind is starting to catch up with the fact that I am actually having a baby, not just being horrendously ill. I feel so sorry for everyone who goes through this and even more sorry for those who have to endure it for longer than I did. I don't think anyone who has not been through it can ever really understand what it is like. What does stick in my mind is those that were really supportive and those that were not. I got little support from work and on most occasions in hospital I was wired up to the drip and at the same time wired up to my work laptop and blackberry, trying to keep up a little bit after not so sympathetic comments from bosses (even though I tried to keep my hospital admissions to the weekend and struggle through the week to avoid the hassle)

Anyway I am so grateful that I am feeling better and pray it doesn't come back at all during the rest of the pregnancy and just wanted to say thanks for the support I got from these forums at times when I needed to spill my heart out (inbetween spewing my guts out), when everything seemed hopeless!

thanks

LucindaE · 05/10/2011 17:43

Nina Thanks so much for coming back on Smile and I am so glad t hat you can belatedly enjoy your pregnancy now. Your experience at work sounds truly horrendous - fancy having to plan your hospital admissions and work when on a drip - awful, truly awful. I don't know how people who have to keep working manage to aovid throwing up over desks, clothes, colleagues, clients - I know I would have.
Louby I do hope it's all been sorted out, and you have no more trouble. Fingers crossed, but are you well enough to return? Fuss, fuss from me...
Spannermary Oh dear, poor you. I used to be good at having it come out of all ways at once, h ow, when not getting enough fluids, I don't know...
Grandma FluffyWhiteKittens waves...
I hope everyone's not doing too badly today?
Lucinda
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LucindaE · 05/10/2011 18:17

FluffyWhite Kittens and Luce I am very touched that you mentioned me on that Thanks thread. I only got to it belatedly, wanted to thank everyone on here for teaching me so much and for those like you who regularly come back to help others - but typically got to it too late, I think, so I'll say thank you here! Thanks Thanks Thanks.

Lucinda
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fluffywhitekittens · 05/10/2011 21:05

Nina, glad you're feeling like you can finally enjoy being pregnant.
Louby :)
SpannerMary :( hopefully that will pass quickly and you can get back to just throwing up!
Grandma, how's things with you and your lovely family?
Waves at Lucinda,MOH, and everyone else.

grandmaagain · 05/10/2011 23:10

fluffy
DD visited today, stayed for tea, and cleared her plate!!!
never thought such a simple thing would make me sooo happy.
GS a little cross as just had first set of injections otherwise fine and thriving.
hope this gives heart to some sufferers,things DO get better.

fluffywhitekittens · 06/10/2011 07:34

:) Grandma

LucindaE · 06/10/2011 19:54

Grandma So nice to hear that about Luce! For sure they do get better,and there is such a prize at the end[smileSmile. I will be envious of you current sufferers in a few weeks/months...
Lucinda
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ElliottsMummy · 07/10/2011 07:23

Hi all, headed to the hospital in a while to serve this lazy little baby with it's eviction papers!! Had a sweep on wednesday which achieved nothing and am now 12 days overdue (so bored of being pregnant now!!!)
Not sure if I'm more excited to meet my baby or more to be headed to the pink castle! HG gave me a reminder yesterday that it hadn't quite finished with me by the dreaded morning bile run and only allowing me to keep my lunch down for half an hour :( but I plan to kick it to the kerb today!!

Hope everyone has an ok weekend and I will update as soon as I can xx

MotherofPearl · 07/10/2011 09:17

Ooooh, Ellliotsmummy, that's great news! Enjoy giving HG a hard, well-deserved kick to the kerb, and of course meeting your new baby! :) Good luck! We look forward to hearing your news. x

LucindaE · 07/10/2011 09:52

ElliiotsMummy All good luck! I was thinking of you. Twelve days, that baby knows how to keep em waitng so as to make an entrance... So Hyperemesis got a last dig in yesterday? We'll organise a cream tea in the Pink Castle...my mother's home made jam on the menu, but I won't say any more because of those still feeling very ill.
I think Pearl next?
Lucinda
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LucindaE · 07/10/2011 09:56

My mistake, MaryLou first and Heftymutha and others...
Lucinda
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