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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE · 04/10/2011 12:53

We need a new thread already.

I hope this thread will give support to those suffering from the Horrors of
Hyperemesis, and that it will help to talk to other sufferers and those who have survived it.

There is no such thing as tmi here - the nature of the illness means that you have to be graphic when discussing it - and feel free to moan all you wish. You have reason to!

I want to thank FluffyWhiteKittens MOH Grumblin LA Caramel NitNat Coconuts Luce Grandma TheOnly and current sufferers MaryLou PearlFeekerry and many others who have been invaluable on the former threads. My apologies to anyone I've rudely overlooked, I daren't keep gabbling too long, or I might put off current sufferers.

Remember, when you are at your worst, the words from the Eastern story: - 'This Too Shall Pass.' It will...

Below is some brilliant information from MOH's website www.pregnancysicknesssos.co.uk. However, if you don't feel up to reading it now, feel free to skip it for now and have a good moan.

Hyperemesis gravidarum (HG) is a severe form of pregnancy sickness which affects between 1 and 3% of pregnant women. Historically, it was mistakenly thought to be a psychosomatic illness and women were treated as though they had a psychotic disorder. This view has been comprehensively disproven by numerous research papers in recent decades, and it is now known to be an illness of organic origin, although its causes have yet to be fully understood. There is a persistent common belief that no drugs should be given to women in the first trimester of pregnancy. This is not true. There are a number of effective anti-emetic (anti sickness) drugs which can safely be taken in early pregnancy. Unfortunately, the erroneous views that HG is a psychosomatic conditions and that no drugs are safe in the first trimester still persists in many places, shockingly, even amongst GPs and midwives. Sadly, many women still come across unsympathetic health professionals who are ignorant of current treatment methods.

How do I know if I have HG?
If you are suffering from persistent nausea and/or vomiting which is preventing you from eating and/or drinking then you may be suffering from HG. With ordinary nausea and vomiting of pregnancy (NVP), the sickness does not interfere with your ability to eat and drink enough, you should not be losing weight and you should be able to continue to care for yourself and your family although you may not be feeling too great. With HG, sufferers often need help caring for themselves, never mind look after their family. The illness can be completely debilitating for weeks or even months. If you're not sure, the HER foundation website who have a fact sheet to help you determine whether or not you are suffering from HG
www.helpher.org/mothers/hyperemesis-or-morning-sickness/index.php

Diagnosis is important as you will inevitably become dehydrated and you will need to be admitted to hospital for IV rehydration. Starvation is another risk. When your body burns fat for energy, it produces chemicals called ketones which can be detected in your urine. You can monitor your levels of starvation using ketosticks, available from pharmacies. You pee on the stick and it monitors your levels of ketones. If levels are high, you should tell your doctor or midwife. If you are worried about dehydration and ketone levels and you can't see your doctor or midwife, you can go to A&E.

Facts and Figures and FAQs

HG is worse in the first trimester for the majority of sufferers, though a significant proportion (10 ? 20%) suffer for the entire duration of the pregnancy. If you have close relatives (mothers, sisters) who have had HG, you are also at significantly higher risk of being a sufferer yourself. HG is the most common cause of hospitalisation of pregnant women in the first trimester.

Is it worse carrying a boy or a girl?
There is conflicting evidence as to whether having a boy or a girl makes HG worse, some studies say boys, some say girls.

Is it worse with twins?
Yes there is evidence that carrying more than one baby makes HG worse.

Will my baby be ok?
Babies born to HG mothers are usually absolutely fine. If you lose some weight during the first trimester the risks for the baby are low as it does not need much nutrition at this time and your body should have enough stores from before your pregnancy. However, if you continue to to lose weight due to lack of treatment or failed treatment, then there is an increased risk of low birth weight or pre-term birth. Studies show that this is a risk for women who are severely ill, are dehydrated for long periods and lose more than 10% of their body weight.

There is also growing evidence of long term health effects in some children born to mothers who suffer malnutrition in pregnancy. In some cases this is not evident until adulthood with increased risk of chronic conditions such as diabetes and hypertension.
For more information see forums.helpher.org/viewtopic.php?t=18 and www.helpher.org/hyperemesis-gravidarum/complications/fetal-programming.php

I've heard that being sick is a sign of a healthy pregnancy, is this the case with HG?
You will often be told that morning sickness is a good sign and you should be happy that you're feeling sick. This is generally the case with normal NVP, however, it is not the case with untreated HG. There is actually a higher risk of pre-term birth and low birth weight. However, continuing to feel sick may be a sign that the pregnancy is still progressing. Some women with HG who miscarried reported that the first sign was that they suddenly stopped feeling sick.

What are the treatments?
Initially you will be advised to use non-pharmacoligical strategies which are similar to the general advice given to any pregnant women suffering from nausea. These include eating little and often, eating protein-rich, low-fat meals, avoiding triggers of nausea such as strong smells and getting enough rest. You can try ginger, seabands (accupressure wristbands used for travel sickness) and extra doses of vitamin B6. Avoid getting out of bed in the morning without something in your stomach such as a tea biscuit or cracker. Some women find that these give relief in the initial stages of HG but they become ineffective once the illness is in full swing.

The next line of treatment is prescribed antiemetics such as phenergan, cyclizine, stemetil and ondansetron. For many women these work well and control the nausea and vomiting enough for them to eat and drink normally and regain some of their lost weight. Many can even return to normal life. You may find that one antiemetic on its own is not effective and you may need to try different combinations but you can discuss this with your doctor. Even with antiemetics, you will probably still need to use coping strategies such as getting extra rest, eating small frequent meals and avoiding triggers when the HG is at its peak. If you are dehydrated, you may be admitted to hospital for IV fluids. Minerals and vitamins can be added to the drip to replace any you may have lost, as well as antiemetics.

Unfortunately, antiemetics don't work for everyone. If they are ineffective, you should be referred to an obstetrician (if you haven't been already) for the next line of treatment, which will probably be steroids. These carry a small risk of cleft palate, but this will be discussed with your doctor. In a small number of cases even this is not effective and drastic treatments such as feeding with a tube directly into the stomach may have to be considered.

My GP is unsympathetic and refuses to prescribe me drugs - what should I do?
Unfortunately this experience is all too common. In this case you should see another GP if possible. You should also ask for a referral to an obstetrician. If you remain untreated and become dehydrated, you can have yourself admitted to A&E for IV fluids and ask to be seen by an obstetrician.

Do alternative remedies work?

Some women are greatly helped by alternative medicine, particularly Homepathy and Acupunture. Some women can claim to have had the illness 'stopped in its tracks' by Acupunture, but success varies between individual patients and it tends to be expensive. These remedies are worth a try if you can afford it but have a back up plan incase it doesn't work.

How long will this last for?
For most women, HG peaks in the first trimester and tails off or disappears completely later in the pregnancy. The usual advice for morning sickness is that it will improve after 12 weeks. The majority of HG sufferers find that it takes longer than this. Unfortunately, some women suffer severely for the entire pregnancy. Others find that it improves, but they suffer from nausea and occasional vomiting until birth. Relapse is quite common especially if you have tried to return to your normal busy life. There is a great temptation to make up for lost time and become very active once you start to feel better, but this very often leads to the nausea returning. You should be very careful about resuming work and normal household activities even if you feel as though you're up to it. Be careful too about stopping your medication, do it very gradually and resume at the first sign of the condition returning. You may have to continue to take it for the entire pregnancy to prevent a relapse.
All I can drink is coke, I'm worried that I'm not eating a healthy diet.

Through pregnancy, we are bombarded with advice about what to eat and what not to eat. Women with HG often find that the list of food and drinks that they can keep down is very small and not at all from the healthy options. For some reason, women with Hyperemesis ofen find sweet and salty foods ie, sweet drinks like coke, and crisps, are more likely to stay down than healthy foods. Their peculiar diet can lead to disapproving comments and the incorrect assumption that this is how they normally eat.
Various women find different drinks acceptable. Coke (often left to go flat) Lucozade, lemonade, milkshakes and IronBru, Dr Pepper, orange squash, apple juice, lime juice, ice cubes made of flat coke or just tapwater, ice lollies and sips of tepid water can help in keeping rehydrated. 

When the illness is at its worst during the early hormonal surges - typically between eight and ten weeks- then it is difficult to retain any liquids and you may need to be hospitalised for rehydration at about this time. 

When solids do become bearable,jelly, tinned fruit, ice lollies, ice cream, crisps, fish fingers, potato cakes, crumpets, soda bread and similar potato based or salty foods have often been found to be acceptable.

The important thing to remember at this time is that it doesn't matter what you eat or drink, the crucial thing is that you eat or drink something. Don't forego something because you are worried that it's bad for you. In a normal diet, too much salt and sugar is bad for you, but when you consume nothing else, this may be your only source of calories, fluid and salt for the day. Instead of berating yourself for your unhealthy diet, congratulate yourself that you have kept something down because your body needs it. If you are able to take vitamin tablets or syrups, then do so but most women find that large multivitamin tablets make the nausea worse. You may be able to get vitamins that dissolve under your tongue which you may be able to tolerate. If and when you begin to feel better, you can start to re-introduce more healthy food.

Will it go away when I give birth?
The good news is that for the vast majority of sufferers the physical symptoms of HG disappear completely as soon as the baby is born. You should be aware though that it is not unknown for the nausea to persist after birth especially if you have been severely ill. If this occurs, speak to your doctor. For women who suffered persistent, long term nausea and vomiting, it may take some time to restore energy levels and nutritional reserves. Moreover, while the physical symptoms may leave, the trauma of HG can leave an emotional legacy for many women, especially when combined with the rigours of caring for a baby. If you have any concerns, speak to your doctor or midwife. Don't feel that you should just be able to pick yourself up and get on with things, if you're having problems you are entitled to seek support.

Will I get it in my next pregnancy and will it be the same?
Unfortunately, having HG in one pregnancy puts you at a high risk of suffering in subsequent pregnancies although it is possible to escape it. Some women find that the HG gets better in subsequent pregnancies, whereas others find it stays the same or gets worse. There is really no way of knowing how your pregnancies will relate to each other.

Can I do anything to prepare for HG incase I get it again in my next pregnancy?
The HER website has a page of advice on preparing for your next pregnancy. forums.helpher.org/viewtopic.php?t=17. If you had medication which worked for you in your previous pregnancy, make sure that you have it ready to take as soon as you feel ill. Studies show that the quicker you get on top of the sickness, the better the medication works. Because HG can start within days of missing your period, see your GP as soon as you know you're pregnant.

Useful sources of information
The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists in the UK have no guidelines on the treatment and management of HG. However, the American College of Obs/Gynae (ACOG) and the Society of Obs/Gynae of Canada (SOGC) have published guidelines which can be found at the following sites

www.sogc.org/guidelines/public/120E-CPG-October2002.pdf 

www.guideline.gov/content.aspx?id=10939

Pregnancy Sickness Support is a UK based organisation run by GPs and midwives with direct experience of HG. They have a helpline which you can call for advice ? if nobody answers you leave a message and a midwife will call you back. They will be able to answer your questions about treatments and they keep a note of doctors around the country who are known to be sympathetic to HG sufferers and are willing to treat it with medication. Their website is at www.pregnancy sicknesssupport.org.uk

The Hyperemesis Education and Research Foundation (HER) is a US based foundation which was formed by HG survivors and has a mission to research the causes of HG and provide information and support for other sufferers. They have links to the latest scientific research and are actively involved in funding research, although you usually have to live in the USA to take part. There are loads of threads on every topic related to HG from women who have been through it, including very useful information about which treatment regimes worked. Their website is at www.hyperemesis.org.
Dealing with well meaning but unhelpful advice

Women with HG are often told by friends and family that it's just morning sickness, a normal part of pregnancy and you just have to put up with it. Many HG sufferers report extreme frustration at being advised to try ginger, dry crackers or eat little and often. Most of them have tried every remedy they can think of to no avail. Because most women are familiar with NVP, there is often an attitude of, well I had morning sickness and I just got on with it. HG sufferers are often left with the feeling that they are whingers and malingerers and that if only they could adopt a positive attitude then they would be fine. This can lead to further depression in what is already a depressive condition. In order to deal with this, it is important that the HG sufferer has some supportive friends or family who can firmly but politely fend off these comments. The sufferer will often have no energy to deal with it herself. If possible explain to the person giving the advice that you are not suffering from morning sickness, you are suffering from a condition called hyperemesis gravidarum.

I have never known anyone with HG. Where can I talk to women who understand how I feel?
There is a support thread on the talk boards here (ask MT to add link) which is run by sufferers and ex-sufferers. There are discussions of practical issues such as tips for coping and medication but the real value of this forum is that you get sympathy and understanding from people who know exactly what you're going through. If you just want to moan or let off steam, you are free to do so and nobody will hold it against you. Comments are also welcome from relatives, partners, friends and carers of HG sufferers. The HER website also has talk boards at forums.helpher.org/. There is also a UK based yahoo group called Bloomingawful at health.groups.yahoo.com/group/bloomingawful/

Finally from me, here's a list of due dates. Do add yourself when you feel up to it.

ElliottsMummy: EDD 25/9/11
Mancbird: EDD 08/10/11
AgBag: EDD 18/10/11
HeftyMutha: EDD 28/10/11
Littlewizz: EDD 6/11/11
CakeForBreakfast: EDD 07/11/11
Marylou: EDD 9/11/11
MotherofPearl: EDD 17/11/11
Eggy: EDD 30/11/11
LadyOTCM: 01/12/11
Diddygirl: EDD 19/12/11
Bensgirl: EDD
Alias: EDD ??/12?11
m1nn1e: EDD ??/01/12
Angel: 16/01/12
Seapie: 30/01/12
Louby86: EDD 17/02/12
MummyMccar: 23/02/12
Feekerry 19/03/2012
Magnum White 26/03/2012
Helibee 25/04/2012
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HeftyMutha · 18/10/2011 19:18

Hello all

No pink castle for me yet, unfortunately. Have just been so busy decorating the kitchen sink with vom that I haven't felt well enough to post. The current pattern is: eat meal, get kicked in stomach by baby, cough till my eyes water, puke in sink. Repeat twice daily.

Blergh. Wishing everyone a vom-free Wednesday. X

LucindaE · 18/10/2011 19:44

HeftyMutha Oh dear, poor you! Cyber hugs and sympathy to you, that sounds so awful!
Feeling too bad to be able to post must be really isolating, let alone the kitchen sink horrors.
Lucinda
xx

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aaahhhBump · 18/10/2011 20:20

Thanx no more horrors. Busy weekend. Had my second trip to the midwife. Domperidon is working well all day so only nautious in the evening.

Hope everyone is having a good week.

Magnumwhite · 19/10/2011 07:12

Hi all, just checking in.
Am doing ok, despite DS having hand foot and foot and mouth and giving me mouth ulcers - I'm just not meant to enjoy food while pregnant am I?

Cosmo great that your appointment so soon - don't worry too much about what to say. The main thing I wanted to get across when I had prenatal counselling was that I wanted to make a responsible choice about getting pregnant again - ie being able to look after ds, avoiding hospital admissions and anyone who knows HG well understands the sense in early appropriate aggressive medical management.
I'd have said I was phobic about vomiting before ds - it wasn't enough to stop me getting pregnant in the first place though. I still will do absolutely anything to avoid vomiting (though i know I would prob feel better for a bit if i did).
I was absolutely terrified when admitted on the emergency unit unit because for me the only worse thing than vomiting myself is being surrounded by vomiting people.

Hefty Mutha I'm so sorry you're still suffering. I hope the wait is not too long for you. I couldn't post at all when pregnant with ds as reading about other people feeling/being sick just made me feel worse.
It is very isolating. I has been so good to feel up to coming on here and receiving support this time

Magnumwhite · 19/10/2011 07:14

Hi all, just checking in.
Am doing ok, despite DS having hand foot and foot and mouth and giving me mouth ulcers - I'm just not meant to enjoy food while pregnant am I?

Cosmo great that your appointment so soon - don't worry too much about what to say. The main thing I wanted to get across when I had prenatal counselling was that I wanted to make a responsible choice about getting pregnant again - ie being able to look after ds, avoiding hospital admissions and anyone who knows HG well understands the sense in early appropriate aggressive medical management.
I'd have said I was phobic about vomiting before ds - it wasn't enough to stop me getting pregnant in the first place though. I still will do absolutely anything to avoid vomiting (though i know I would prob feel better for a bit if i did).
I was absolutely terrified when admitted on the emergency unit unit because for me the only worse thing than vomiting myself is being surrounded by vomiting people.

Hefty Mutha I'm so sorry you're still suffering. I hope the wait is not too long for you. I couldn't post at all when pregnant with ds as reading about other people feeling/being sick just made me feel worse.
It is very isolating. I has been so good to feel up to coming on here and receiving support this time

LucindaE · 19/10/2011 09:47

Bump That's an anti emetic I've had for migraines before now, I'm so glad it works for you.
Magnum It must be terrible having a phobia about puking. It hought myself
t hat complete misery is either the bile run or staggering about retching and nothing coming up, but being phobic about vomiting and being surrounded by people at it while doing it yourself would be hell indeed...It's very brave of people to go for it again in these circumstances. Would men? Answers on a postcard, please...
I hope everyone is coping today. Off to Newtown and Welsh. I have been neglecting my homework so I wonder they don't throw me off for a lazy Saesneg...
Lucinda

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LucindaE · 19/10/2011 09:49

HeftyMutha Wanted to add, thinking of poor you and sending you gentle cyber pats, though you may not be up to reading this.
Lucinda
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caramellokoalalover · 19/10/2011 16:25

mamalucia welcome and sorry you're suffering past the 'normal' point, it's so unfair. Both my pregnancies the HG stuck around for the long haul and it was awful being told that you shouldn't be still sick past x weeks. Hang in there!

Cosmo, great news on the consultant appt! Take this page with you www.helpher.org/health-professionals/suggested-protocol.php I'm sure they'll know their stuff but just in case. I highlihgted this line in particular: 'Intervene early if she has a history of HG'.

Magnum mouth ulcers sound awful, you poor thing.

Big hello to all those in the pink castle and hope everyone else is okay today.

Cosmogirl · 19/10/2011 22:28

Thanks to everyone for the advice re appt. I really hope the consultant is pleasant & a nice person! It's not always the way in healthcare.... I will definitely print that page out. I hope she is keen to write a protocol with me. I think having this will give me the confidence I need.

Magnum - can't believe you suffered emetophobia as well. What a cruel twist that us vomit-haters would get HG. I really struggled with it first time but hoping I might fare better if I go through it again. ( this could be extreme naivity tho!) I had a bad experience a few months bk when went to a not v nice club in London & saw three people throw up. Ended up having a panic attack - was not fun!

As only fellow HGers would understand I am
Currently indulging in some reverse nesting. I know when pregnant I will have no time/energy for decluttering, cleaning, tidying, organising etc so trying to work on completing stuff Pre ttc! Defo indulging my OCD a little too much. Need to try not to get carried away!

Magnumwhite · 20/10/2011 07:23

to be fair though I think everyone hates vomiting - its just that some people get on with it and some of us get in a bit of a state....

LucindaE · 20/10/2011 10:00

Magnum There must be more to it than that, from what Cosmo says about having a panic attack about people Puking while Pissed and from what Grumblin said about having to be sick outside t he car while the woman who gave her a lift was having a panic attack inside (Oh dear, she'd have had more of a one if *Grumblin' hadn't managed to get out in time!). I would say that I was bordering on having the phobia myself as a teenager, but then it seemed to go, I don't know why.
Cosmo Best of luck for t he meeting.
Caramel Welcome back to Pink Castle. Just got some virtual activity arches in for the nursery in said Pink Castle. How old is baby now, time flies...
I hope no more being sick on duvets for anyone?
Lucinda
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LucindaE · 20/10/2011 12:24

Helibee Was it you who was confined to bed most of the time? Wondering how you are? I've been scanning through the old thread, and I can't find that post, trust me...
Jamima was pretty ill, too. Are you still about?
Spannerymary What was the name of the anti emetic you wanted which you said had helped with vom in migraines (selfish interest here form me!)
CivilFawlty Did you manage to get Ondanestron? I do hope so...Are you any better now?
Flyingdutchlady How are things?
Feekerry Seapie Magnum? Pearl Everyone I've rudely overlooked? It is awful that The Scourge insists on remaining with y ou for the duration...
Lucinda
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caramellokoalalover · 20/10/2011 14:46

Lucinda I think we may need to do some babyproofing to the pink castle, unless fluffy has take care of that already? Scarlett is 6mths old today, and whilst not quite on the move it won't be long!

MmeButterfly · 20/10/2011 18:21

aahthebump big sympathy for you - i know the ones. I hate it when your heart starts thumping in your head. I had a spew of blood a couple of nights ago but it hasn't come back but it was after a big spew. I haven't said anything about it to anyone as i'm so scared of things like endoscopy..... Sorry if i'm making you repeat yourself but what are you taking atm?
theonlyhb2 that salt overload sounds right up my street!
motherofpearl Yes, you've hit it on the head - i'm either ignoring my DH mostly or moaning at him so i can understand how it must appear. He's generally really really supportive though so i guess everyone has an off day. Its all behind us now.

I've had another development with medication... see what you all make of this:
I was given Ondansetron to take home from hospital after my last admission and have previously tried cyclizine, buccastem, stemistil and maxilon all to no avail. I asked my gp for a repeat prescription when I ran out and they refused saying its not licensed for treatment of hyperemisis...... I went back to the hospital and they agreed to let me have another weeks worth. Gone back again as i'm due to run out and they flat refused referring me back to gp.
Gp now given me domperidone instead as unhappy to give me ondansetron.
Has anyone tried it or know much about it?
I'm happy to try a new tablet to be honest as the Ondansetron is not 100% effective (still throw up a good 5 times daily) and i don't hold out much hope that anything will be but maybe its worth trying something new.

Hope everyone's having an ok day today.

feekerry · 20/10/2011 20:30

hi everyone.

hope all is okay. still vom most days here but can also live a normal ish life. thank god for ondanestron!

have only read snipets but, MmeButterfly cant believe you were told that about ondanestron. my doctors have just happily filled up my prescription again. i still take 2 a day at the moment, 19 weeks.
why are they not happy to give you ondanestron? what is there thinking? i've never ever EVER had any issues getting ondanestron, from docs or hospital. ....

MmeButterfly · 20/10/2011 20:48

Feekerry i'm really interested about hearing this as I have a vague plan to write or contact someone from the care trust or whatever our local health body is....
I'm pretty angry about it in one way but in another, i'm so knackered out with the illness that i just want to bury my head in the sand and hope the domperidone works. See my predicament?

feekerry · 20/10/2011 20:55

ye totally understand MmeButterfly and if ondansatron doesnt really work then you might as well try something else anyway but still. i know there is some talk about the cost of ondansatron but its not that expensive. i first got it prescribed when i was admitted to hospital as cyclizne having no effect and i didnt even have to ask for it. they literally gave it to me like sweets! i was initally worried about asking my doctor for it as i'd read they could be hesitant due to cost etc but spoke to my doc who happily put it on repeat prescripition without even seeing me.
also, when they say not licensed for hg, is any drug???? ondansatron is the same catagory as all the others. as far as i've read!

MmeButterfly · 20/10/2011 21:11

I really don't know Feekerry. I just feel like they're just making my life difficult for some unknown reason. They gave it to me in hospital without me asking for it except I'd tried pretty much everything else.... i really don't know.
I just dread going back to being really ill again too. Got any ideas as to where/how I can challenge this?

feekerry · 20/10/2011 21:18

hmm, is there a more sympathetic doctor you could talk to? or a mid wife maybe? i know how you feel as i would probably die if they stopped my ondansatron (only a mild exageration!) i sometimes have nightmares about going back to being very ill. i dont know anything about the drug they've prescribed for you. maybe it will work better for you? or how about taking someone with you to the doctors?

MOH100 · 20/10/2011 21:23

MmeButterfly like feekerry says, don't understand the problem with ondansetron. None of the other drugs you get for hyperemesis are licensed in pregnancy. Can the hospital consultant not instruct your GP to prescribe? That's what mine did cos my GP refused to give me anything unlicenced ie she wouldn't give me anything, but the OB faxed her a letter to say give me repeats and i got prescriptions for ondansetron no problem for the rest of the pregnancy. She would write a script for two or 3 weeks worth and i'd just pick it up at the desk I didn't even need to see her. Hopefully the domperidone will work. I'm not sure who you would write to - isn't there a health ombudsman, i heard of it during the week because they're getting complaints about GPs striking people off their practices when they get a bit troublesome.

MmeButterfly · 20/10/2011 21:33

MOH100 Thanks for this - it seems my gp is totally giving me the runaround here - really thoughtful that....
Yes, i think there's an ombudsman but i thought i might contact the PALS office tomorrow as a first port of call? The other side of the coin with trying a new medication is that it doesn't work and I end up in hospital again which is not ideal at all so it would be better i think to stay on the medication i know helps me stay upright.
I asked the hospital today if their doctors could speak to my doctors but the staff nurse said it was all down to my gp now. It all seems bizarre to me.

Magnumwhite · 21/10/2011 07:15

ooh I'm really cross about your GP not giving you Ondansetron!!!
I can understand sort of, a reluctance to prescribe if you hadn't had it before or if GP was unfamiliar with its use outside lisence, but when the consultant has already prescribed it? Thats not on. In your most vulnerable state you just don't have the energy to fight for good treatment.

I know you said its not 100% effective but it might work in combination with other antiemetics - I think thats what Feekerry does?

Domperidone might also work but if there is another GP at the practice who might be more sympathetic it would be worth asking.

When I joined current practice, i asked what their protocol was for treating hyperemesis and the GP I saw first said there was nothing basically between peppermint tea and hospital admission!!!!!!!!

I have since found most of the other doctors very willing to prescribe what i needed.

Surely your consultant wrote a discharge letter to your GP with recommended follow up treatment?

Really hope you find something that works for you

MotherofPearl · 21/10/2011 09:34

Ooooo, I too am furious on your behalf MmeButterfly, and I knew MOH would be hopping mad when she saw this! As everyone has said, there are basically no drugs licensed for use in PG, so it's a moot point. If the ondanestron was helping you then there's no reason you shouldn't keep getting it. And to deny it you when you're feeling sick and tired and not up for a fight is cruel but sadly not that unusual.
I know you want to avoid hospital admission, and I fully understand why, but in my experience (and I think that of several others on the thread, perhaps?), hospital consultants are much more understanding of the condition and much more willing to prescribe drugs. If you feel bad perhaps head to A&E and that way you get to see hospital doctors not rubbish GP? I've not had ondanestron though, although have been on a repeat prescription for cyclizine for nearly 30 weeks now! Not that it's always worked that well for me - sickness at the moment seems to be getting worse if anything...

LucindaE · 21/10/2011 10:20

Madame Butterfly I too am Shock and Angry at the doctor's attitude.
Magnum's point re the discharge letter and your own Pals plan seem like a good attack and having someone with you. It is so odd the way some doctors seem happy enough to give it, some just seem to object to giving it. Expense used to be an issue, I understand, but isn't so much now with extension of licence or some such thing? With five voms a day you are suffering enough with it...
Caramel Yes, re baby proofing fabulous Pink Castle there must be stair gates (all those turrets) and fireguards and must watch out for that moat Shock.
I hope everyone is coping today and Butterfly gets somewhere...
Lucinda
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MmeButterfly · 21/10/2011 11:48

Thanks for your amazing back up everyone. I actually rang the ward lastnight about 9.30pm just to air this to one of the nurses and get some advice. She was really really sympathetic and said that if over the weekend i start feeling ill again i could come back on the ward as a day attender and get a prescription for more ondansetron. If that happens, I'll push for them to speak to my gp or at least try and find another gp.
Had the midwife come round this morning too and she can't understand why they won't prescribe it either!!
The nurse on the ward lastnight actually said that Domperidone is a really effective drug so perhaps give this a try anyway seeing as I have it.
I think that's a good idea so that I can at least say i've tried and ruled it out. It can only give more ammunition to the case can't it? Who knows it might be better.
Magnum you are so right by the way - i was in tears lastnight with DH because i just felt that none of the medics really were bothered whether i get ill or not. Plus my parents are off on a jolly to the states for a month so i just felt so low and yes, in no mood for taking on the NHS.
I can't help wondering how women with very little support from their families manage. I'm thinking of starting a support group in my area once i'm better. If any of you are from the West Yorks. area and want to take the idea further just PM me?
Hope everyone's feeling ok today xxxx

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