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FESH spa and creche: The Ultimate Destination for survivors of the Palace and Deli: Prologue

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CurlyCasperBaggedABairn · 04/07/2010 22:19

Welcome weary travellers. It's been a long road, but you made it! Now, hard as it might be, leave your ESH spawn at the creche and step into the spa - where we have every treatment available to soothe your Amityville Horror undercarriage, ravaged raspberries and worn out wits. And - wait for it - we've got the bar back. And it's all-inclusive

So, what are you waiting for? Grab a glass, lower yourself into the jacuzzi and lets get chatting. We are Forever ESH!

P.S Children never cry here...

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SkiHorseWonAWean · 05/08/2010 05:28

rots My boobs don't produce enough any time of day - extended skin-skin yesterdat brought forth a dribble a mosquito could've paddled in. Thankfully though, even though my boobs failed to achieve their biological task - at least I have my looks - a la Giselle...

rots went to T K Maxx and secretly enjoyed it and had to be dragged kicking and screaming from the sale rails?

Bear was a misery yesterday and just wanted to be held by mummy (different league to bunking off school to go joy-riding obv.) - anyway, this led me to discover new baybee-calming trick:

Cradle and swing side to side with head lower than feet & body.

Has anyone else found any neat baybee tricks to share?

cunty I'm on a nasal oxytocin derivative - am wondering whether it's worth continuing in light of hormonal fuck-ups and bits of skin dropping from nose in manner of Ms Westbrook.

SkiHorseWonAWean · 05/08/2010 05:30

Btw - read on mn of another person with exactly same birth story as me who was left with Saharan milk ducts.

iggypiggy · 05/08/2010 09:00

Bollocks.

Wrote long post yesterday and see that it failed to actually appear on here... Mn fail...

The gist of it was:

Fanks FESHes for your wise bf advice. I have had different advice from what feels like a million midwives! Some say to do 10 mins each side, one said 30 mins one side then offer second one... And another said it didn't matter... The nct group session said to do as you lot suggest, so I will try that. but she mainly does 5 min bursts, so I stick with one side for a bit, then she will fuss unless I switch her to the other side. So I do. We end up doing 3 or 4 sides...

cunts you are correct about the common! Would def like to meet up... Am often over that way.

curly hope you not feeling guilty, you are doing fab job and most important thing is that both you and your milk monster are happy and healthy. Bf/ formula is not the most important thing.

Am excited about cossie laying baybee soon!

Hope all rest of you ok. will try to check back more, but milk is being demanded again...

Cosmosis · 05/08/2010 09:49

iggy the "x amount of time each side" is deffo old fashioned advice. speaking of while, my MIL was telling us about trying BF in hosp when she had her first 3, in the old days when you were in for 10 days - the baybees were all in a nursery and were brought in every 4 hours for a feed. She always thought that she was just no good at bf and I think had been a bit sad about it, so by the time TGO was born she didn't even try because she thought she couldn't. We explained to her all about skin to skin and demand feeding and how it stimulates production and stuff and she now realises it wasn't at all her fault that she failed at it. Think she is a bit more on board with the bf now, she has always been very dismissive - I think because she doesn't want people to go what she went through trying and being a failure so it's easier not to try.

we is off to hospital tour of fannys hospital tonight to see if we want to lay baybee there (is late I know but was earliest date we could get!

FannyPriceless · 05/08/2010 10:53

Yes, that's right: according to cos I have my own personal hospital.

iggy I think you are doing right. Bonnie was very much like you describe - 3 or 4 sides in little dribs and drabs. I used to get so confused when the HV would ask 'how long' her last feed was. I wasn't sure I could define when one feed stopped and the next began. It took me a while to realise that as long as we were both happy it didn't actually matter.

Clyde was a star a the baby clinic yesterday. He is now 5.75 kg. No wonder my back and shoulders are sore.

Fanny now secretly wants to go to T K Maxx.

Cosmosis · 05/08/2010 11:20

please to be translating newfangled weight into proper weight?

CurlyCasperBaggedABairn · 05/08/2010 11:20

Good morning (it is still morning, isn't it?) you lovely, supportive FESHs.
Thanks for all your wise words of advice. Between them and Squeaker's new refusal to take breastfeeding at all seriously (little monkey), the decision has pretty much been made for me.
I'm going to continue to mix-feed EBM and formula until my supply dries up and she's exclusively on formula. Then I'll see about getting back on the drugs. I want to squeeze out every last drop of BM before poisoning it. Really didn't like the idea of having to hand express or whatever for relief and just chuck the stuff down the sink because baby can't drink it.

I really should say though that

  1. I am not being a martyr. I am not in agony yet. Just having a sore knee here, sore hip there, stiff finger etc. I am still perfectly able to care for Squeaks, walk the dog etc, so don't consider myself in desperate need of meds. But I know that day is coming.

  2. My BF/FF battle was a personal one and not related to BF nazi pressure or such like. Despite being well aware all along of the potential need to stop BF, it was something I really wanted to do, not just for Squeaker but for me. I wanted the convenience. I wanted the closeness. I wanted that "help yourself in the night" simpleness of it all. And hell, yes, I wanted to lose weight through my tits!

But there is no convenience when you have to deliver meds before each feed. yes it can be done with BF - but you still need a bottle to get the Gaviscon down her. rots I have done the method you suggest. But when they are demand feeding, it's hard to punctuate the start and end of a feed to decide when to administer the dose. So I have it equally spread through a bottle that she drinks from as and when. I always have a bottle at the ready, so we can replicate BF on demand.

We still have the closeness.

Help yourself in the night - well, with my former letdown, the bed would have been soaked. And with her sex-pest grunting, no-one would have got any sleep.

And the weight-loss - well, that one I'll just have to deal with.

But the fact is, most of the reasons I wanted to BF are already buggered. So I have more reasons not to.

I will miss it. I might even mourn it. But I'll try not to feel guilty.

But how the hell am I going to cope with mixing formula at 3am???

Hope all your little ones are happy and well. Mine is screaming again now, so I guess I'd better dish up the elevenses.

Hugs of thanks all round.

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FannyPriceless · 05/08/2010 11:51

curls 100% support from me. Totally the right decision for you. I know what you mean about the convenience of BF. But there's advantages the other way too, like frankly being able to get on with your life as an independent person once more.

cos It's 12 lb 10 oz.

CUNextTuesday · 05/08/2010 12:12

curls can you not keep some ready to drink cartons for 3am feeds? I use them and they are ace. If it's only for one feed a day it won't be too pricey?

Cosmosis · 05/08/2010 15:42

fanny a bruiser! can't wait to meet him

cheggers · 05/08/2010 15:59

curls it is absolute bollocks that you lose weight from breastfeeding anyway.

i'm doing 2 of em and have only just (nearly 4 months later) got back to the weight i left hospital at.

and i can honestly only attribute that to slimming world rather than bf apparently i didn't need those extra 1000 calories a day i was gorging on

then again, mine are only tidlers compared to fanny's whopper

hello everyone else. how goes it?

cos what are you still doing here? shouldn't you be getting busy by now?

Cosmosis · 05/08/2010 16:07

Artie is not allowed to arrive until after Monday. I am NOT spending my birthday in labour.

cheggers · 05/08/2010 16:24

no birthday shag for you then.

our girls stole our anniversary. tinkers.

Cosmosis · 05/08/2010 16:25

lol, maybe I should offer him a birthday treat in an induction attempt

SkiHorseWonAWean · 05/08/2010 16:54

I thought some of you might like this as light reading with giggles for cluster feeding:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1015826?pagingOff=1#20778845

She's fecking bonkers! Micro-parenting x 1000!

organiccarrotcake · 05/08/2010 17:14

curls I kindof understand what you are feeling about stopping BF as I think I felt a lot of those things when LC stopped. The convenience wasn't one of them as he was no longer night feeding, but the rest - closeness, etc - I really missed. But you're right, there are many other ways to do this. Hey, skin to skin for instance doesn't need to involve boobs.

Re the Gaviscon, and I know this won't be relevant for long, but I found with LC that I didn't need to give it before every feed. Just giving it at regular intervals to a max of however many a day they're supposed to have (can't remember) was enough to stop him upchucking. So from what I'm interpreting you are saying, are you trying to give it before every demand feed? If so it may not be necessary. It is a pain having the worst of both worlds, isn't it - bottle feeding Gaviscon AND breast feeding and for you expressing on top of it all.

I agree with cheg that it's crap that it makes you lose weight. I'm so hungry all the time I overeat to compensate. It's certainly good for getting the ute to descend but that's not fat!!

ski now you're making me very . My boobs have gone well sarf.

iggy had BF nurse here today to help me with latch (looks like I'm going to end up having every BF service in the region helping me!). I mentioned that Comma does a similar thing to yours and we can (especially in the evening) go from one boob to the other 6 or 7 times. She suggested "block feeding", putting them back on to the same side for a couple of hours if possible (meaning feeds over that period of time), but swapping to the other if they start fussing. If they then take the second side that's fine but if they fuss on the second side it's not that they need the other boob, they're just being fussy so keep to the first side to up the milk level.

She said it takes around 2 months to build up the milk supply - I thought it was about 2 weeks - so trying to keep them on the same side does build up the milk (but only if you can do this without it being stressful).

We had a horrid stressy time as she tried to adjust Comma's right boob latch. As you all know it's never been comfortable that side, and while he's getting plenty of milk out of it it's still uncomfortable. The BF nurse came out to try to help but he's really objecting to going into the "right" position - which of course is why we're having the problems. I suspect it's the comma factor - hopefully the CO will eventually help.

ski I suspect that comma would puke if I held his head lower than his body... I think the anti thrush meds are making him sicky Least I'm assuming it's Bear's head lower than his feet, not yours lower than your feet . (imagines Ski standing on her head cradling Bear!). Dunno what we do that's novel. YOB has him over his shoulder - very successful for burping and otherwise a car ride works well for him! Would love to hear anyone with more useful suggestions than mine.

organiccarrotcake · 05/08/2010 17:22

PS PMSL @ kitten dying in TTW. ski I KNOW tht doesn't happen so you are not getting to me like that.

(it doesn't, does it?)

I'LL NEVER GO INTO TK MAX AGAIN, I PROMISE!!!

Backinthebox · 05/08/2010 19:08

Cos - I spent my birthday in labour! And the next day....

iggypiggy · 05/08/2010 21:11

cossie that taking the baby to nursery bit that they used to do sounds so awful... My mil also has bad experience of that cos they kept topping the baby up with formula in the nursery which totally messed with the bfing...

rots thanks for sharing that, is v helpful! Sounds v similar to mine. I also found this page which is interesting night time fussiness

fanny thanks too, am glad you found the same sort of thing worked.

Thus evening has involved constant feeding from 5pm until now.... Eating dinner involves new skill...

CUNextTuesday · 05/08/2010 21:46

Yeah, the new skill of sitting them in a bouncer and ignoring the screams for 10 mins

iggs - will give it a couple of weeks to let my your routine settle and then we'll sort out to hook up? Is your moby number on the other place?

CUNextTuesday · 06/08/2010 08:25

Sex-pest noises Sad. Why? And why at 4am?

SkiHorseWonAWean · 06/08/2010 08:50

I have lost his fucking health insurance card (already!). I think I handed it over to the receptionist at the hospital when we went for the check-up on Monday, actually I know I did - just can't remember whether he gave it back or not. :( Do I ring hospital or wait for them to send it or ring health insurance company?

cunty Was that Rastus or Hom? Wink

I'm washed, dressed & even have a smattering of make-up on, have put some washing on and managed breakfast AND 3 cups of coffee. Get me! Am off out now.

CUNextTuesday · 06/08/2010 09:07

lol Hom of course... Grin

Backinthebox · 06/08/2010 09:58

Bloody hell, Ski - stirring noises? You managed to train him to make your coffee for you already?

CUNextTuesday · 06/08/2010 12:07
Grin
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