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FESH spa and creche: The Ultimate Destination for survivors of the Palace and Deli: Prologue

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CurlyCasperBaggedABairn · 04/07/2010 22:19

Welcome weary travellers. It's been a long road, but you made it! Now, hard as it might be, leave your ESH spawn at the creche and step into the spa - where we have every treatment available to soothe your Amityville Horror undercarriage, ravaged raspberries and worn out wits. And - wait for it - we've got the bar back. And it's all-inclusive

So, what are you waiting for? Grab a glass, lower yourself into the jacuzzi and lets get chatting. We are Forever ESH!

P.S Children never cry here...

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Are your children’s vaccines up to date?
Cosmosis · 04/08/2010 08:58

yes I suppose so.

SkiHorseWonAWean · 04/08/2010 09:07

Tis true, cunty got diffed months before me yet only laid him 2 days before!

What's your plan for today then cossie?

I notice the Feshes have been up since the arsecrack of dawn and scattered across interweb.

CUNextTuesday · 04/08/2010 09:24

I'm meeting my niece for lunch today. I cannot BELIEVE the amount of planning this is entailing, and I'm not meeting her till 12.30!

FannyPriceless · 04/08/2010 09:44

cunty My crystal ball tells me... you will be late for your lunch.

Hmm, so I've now arranged to have lunch with cossie end of next week. I'm not very secretly hoping this means I'll be caught up in an exciting PESH baby-drama when her contractions start and she sneezes in the cafe.

SkiHorseWonAWean · 04/08/2010 09:56

Know what you mean cunty - am having lunch with friends tomorrow at midday - this will require military style planning!

SkiHorseWonAWean · 04/08/2010 10:00

fanny I can post some oxytocin for you to slip in to her cocktail when she slips to the loo...

CUNextTuesday · 04/08/2010 10:37

ski suggest you rise at 3am

FannyPriceless · 04/08/2010 10:44

cunty You really will be late if you keep posting on the ESH! Count on at least one last desperate nappy change and feed after you thought you were finally ready to leave the house.

ski Terrible, terrible suggestion! (Can you send it by air mail? I'll let you know my address.)

Baby clinic this afternoon so I'll see how much weight Mr Chubby has put on. He's very jowly but I'm assuming he'll grow out of this before pre school?

CUNextTuesday · 04/08/2010 11:00

I'm ready . Leaving it till last min to do a bum change...

CUNextTuesday · 04/08/2010 11:01

fanny I saw a kid at PN class yesterday with cheeks that rested on her shoulders . Sooo cute!

CurlyCasperBaggedABairn · 04/08/2010 13:27

up at 6.30am to try and make it to a parent and toddler group by 10.30. Got there, and it wasn't on . Hall filled with Baptist Church children's holiday activities. And we got soaked just walking there from car park. Arse. The website didn't say it was term-time only. and here was me trying to be social.

Have resorted to TV/feeding/cuddling. And now internet.

Hope you made it to lunch cunty.

I am excited about the fan/cos meet for some reason. I do hope expect it will trigger a labour...

ski Joules!? Not on maternity pay!
okay, so I have been thumbing the catalogue while contemplating a back to work wardrobe that I will ill be able to afford. I should really just lose the weight and wear old stuff.

I forgot to answer you re the drucks - answer is I just don't know and there are too many ifs and buts.

I still have a degree of BF guilt. I can supply it, but that supply is dropping the more I give EBM rather than put her on the breast (easier to use bottles when giving gaviscon etc). So a bit of me thinks I should just continue to let it dwindle to make that side of the switch easier.

But, while six weeks' BF is a good start, it seems quite little in light of the recommended six month. So I then think I should be trying to get her back on the breast more often.

BUT I woke with a stiff hand for the first time in ages today, which tells me the RA is definitely active again. And that sends me back to just making a smooth switch to all bottled formula feeds.

so, I just don't know what to do.

rots are they usually so wet all over with the Motherease? I have used them just a couple of times now, and so far I am not convinced. Put her back to bed in one for two hours and returned to find every inch of it, and the matching insert thingy, drenched. And the liner was so wet it would have been as much use as a chocolate fireguard for catching poo. Back on disposables for now. I think we have enough other small person issues to contend with for the time being.

Is it me or is there a maternity/baby story in the news every bloody day at the moment?

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Cosmosis · 04/08/2010 13:42

so today I have made 3 x portions chili, 2 x lasagne and 2 x shepherds pie.

Nest anyone? [wink}

*fanny I promise to do all I can to sneeze artie out next week for you.l Must not go in to labour on Tuesday though, TGO off to Wales for the day.

SkiHorseWonAWean · 04/08/2010 15:18

curly I am fan of joules sale rack. Got 2 outfits, hoody with ears & 2 t-shirts for 40 quid. Normal prices can kiss my non-Boden clad arse!

As for BF. I am now able to express enough to feed a baby squirrel... if only I were one of those complaining about having to chuck it down the sink. Is making me want to murder bf-nazis.

He's sucking right now but it's more for comfort than dinner.

SkiHorseWonAWean · 04/08/2010 15:33

Btw curly - cannot believe you are torturing yourself about the bf/ff thing. You are going to be in chronic pain v shortly if you don't get back on your meds - don't let those fucking "lactavists" make you feel "selfish" because you put your needs first! I think you're amazing to have lasted this far given the pain you must be in on a daily basis and for anyone to suggest anything different please let me know and I'll administer a cunt-kicking!

CUNextTuesday · 04/08/2010 15:55

ski you speak wise words to curly. I agree completely

Imade it to lunch, and not only that but I managed to squeeze in buying some sleepsuits from JoJoMB, and a new pair of boots pour moi and two zippy tops pour moi aussi . In other words my timing was so pants I was waaaaay too early for lunch and had to kill time...

ski are you breastfeeding as well as expressing? Tell me for why you are expressing? Is it for top ups?

CUNextTuesday · 04/08/2010 15:58

I ought really to be making paella whilst Rastus is asleep but I can't be arsed

SkiHorseWonAWean · 04/08/2010 16:08

cunty Am expressing because I like to be able to give one full feed a day of pure breast milk - so I scrimp and save the scraps I can pump. 'Tis all shit though - even the drucks won't make my boobies work - they are however dissolving the skin from my nasal cavities.

CUNextTuesday · 04/08/2010 16:22

ah, gotcha

CUNextTuesday · 04/08/2010 16:33

are they coca-based drucks? Are you going to look like Daniella Westbrook?

Cosmosis · 04/08/2010 18:17

curls listen to ski re the feeding, your health is way more important. Sometimes, bf is not the best, you have to think of both you you.

organiccarrotcake · 04/08/2010 19:52

curls I used to give Gaviscon in water (boiled, cooled obviously) in a bottle. LC took it fine like that, then I would BF as normal. I did start out killing me nips with expressing to mix it up with but quickly found the water route worked fine. It was only a very minimal amount of water so didn't interfere with his BM intake and he was fine going between bottles and the breast.

My feelings on whether you should move to formula are that the only person who knows how you feel health-wise is you. If you wish to continue to give her BM and you are ok with your pain level, do so. If staying off the meds is going to cause you problems which can't be reversed, maybe its time to move away from the BM. Noone else can make the decision and in the end you've done the very most important part - the initial few weeks - and while clearly breastmilk is "better for babies" than formula because it's got more good things in it, formula is bloody good stuff and will grow her well and healthy.

Formula has all the nutritional requirements that the Squeaky One will need and although it doesn't have the additional anti-nasties stuff, you've given her loads of that already which is brilliant, and that won't go away - and babies who are 100% FF from birth are absolutely fine. Whatever decision you make, always feel positive about it as it will be the right one for you and your circumstances. There's nothing to "feel guilty" about - quite the opposite. You didn't ask to have this horrible thing going on with your body and more important than BM is your own health and the ability to look after your little girl properly with a healthy bod.

But in the end, only you can make the decision because it's your body, and you know how well it's holding up.

Regarding Motherease, they shouldn't be soaked through that quickly although some babies are just "heavy wetters"... Actualy being wet isn't a problem for most babies, and won't do their skin any harm (disposables feel drier but the urine is still there and you have additional chemicals which can irritate the skin, too). If they've pooed in the nappy it will interact with the urine and this isn't a good thing, but again it's the same with sposies.

OK, so she's soaking through them in 1-2 hours? Wow. And you're using the popper-in booster? Isn't it huge on her with the booster? You can't fold them down, can you, with the booster in? You could try using a bamboo booster instead, or as well as, the popper-in one which will be much more absorbant. Normally I'd expect a nappy like that to be soaked through as you describe in 2-4 hours.

I don't bother with paper liners although if you go onto formula you may need them as the poo changes. I use fleece liners and just pop them in the wash with the nappies. Much less faff and softer on the skin, too. While she's fully BF you could just not bother with any liner at all.

You're not using any fabric softener in the wash are you? It can really reduce absorbancy but surely not that much...

ski you are being incredibly committed continuing to express. Any idea why they're not doing their job? Is Bear cluster feeding at night/fussy at night? I know you needed to start with FF because he wasn't getting enough at some point in the day (wasn't it the evening?) but I wondered if the bottles had stopped both the upset from not getting enough milk, AND clustering?

Apparently African babies who are carried all the time and have full access to the breast (and feed several times an HOUR! ) don't fuss/cluster feed in the evenings. So maybe that's the option - be permanently boobs-out .

organiccarrotcake · 04/08/2010 20:16

Incidentally I'm feeling a bit uncomfortable here about the BF - as if wanting to exclusively BF automatially makes me a BF-Nazi. My definition of "lactivist" for instance is NOT a BF-Nazi which is just a horrendous thing. Why would someone want to make someone else feel bad or guilty about either their choice or non-choice? For me, it's ensuring that those who can BF/choose to BF are able to do so without getting grief or hassle for it - and with the support that they often need (I've been getting/needing loads from the HV, breastfeeding nurses etc).

We are all intelligent and well-educated here and we are perfectly able to make informed decisions. We all know what the differences between formula and BM are. I think it should be ok to acknowledge that BM has additional good stuff in it - BUT that in many case that's not enough reason to exclusively BF. We also know that it's just not always possible to exclusively BF and in that case formula is not only a lifesaver (literally) but magical stuff that it would be daft/wrong to either feel guilty about giving to a baby - or to make someone feel bad about it.

It's a terribly emotive subject - but why should it be? We all want the best for our babies and we all want to be supportive of each other. And we all need to do what's right for us as parents.

I don't know if I'm making any sense. I know I'm waffling.

But, I really feel that no matter how a parent feeds their child, to make them feel guilty/inferior/to feel superior/etc etc is always wrong. When we discuss feeding, can we assume we all feel that way?

CUNextTuesday · 04/08/2010 20:17

Yeah ski/Tits McGee - and good luck with that lunch date tomorrow

CUNextTuesday · 04/08/2010 20:19

x-post rots, I certainly feel that way. I mix-feed without qualm.

organiccarrotcake · 04/08/2010 20:38

cunty

on a lighter note, this was a front page link so you've probably already seen it, but if not, I think lots of you here will really enjoy this thread!

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