FESH spa and creche: The Ultimate Destination for survivors of the Palace and Deli: Prologue

[CurlyCasperBaggedABairn]

Welcome weary travellers. It's been a long road, but you made it! Now, hard as it might be, leave your ESH spawn at the creche and step into the spa - where we have every treatment available to soothe your Amityville Horror undercarriage, ravaged raspberries and worn out wits. And - wait for it - we've got the bar back. And it's all-inclusive

So, what are you waiting for? Grab a glass, lower yourself into the jacuzzi and lets get chatting. We are Forever ESH!

P.S Children never cry here...

Duh-brain. curly ignore what I said about the Gaviscon which is clearly exactly what you're doing. Plunk.

iggs thanks for that. Actually, Comma seems to be better after the 3rd CO treatment. He was fussy earlier in the afternoon and refused to be put down so I put him in the carrier and got on with stuff (made LC's dinner, did some washing, etc). That works well but not so much later in the evening when you just want to sit down!

ski buggeration :( What a PITA.

Latest FESH dream was last night and starred ski and Bear. Had me n Ski meeting up in about 5 years' time (I assume so, as Bear was looking about 5). Don't know where my kids were but Bear had a friend with him who was calling him "Bear" rather than his real name - and from time to time he also called him "Julian" and I remember thinking how pissed off Ski would be if that "nickname" actually did stick to him! :)

Turns out jailbait had the missing card in his wallet - not quite sure how that happened.

Bear screamed for 4 hours solidly yesterday - clearly I am a bad mummy because I laughed in his face when I was cuddling him. It's just so funny - the fury I mean. Then having exhausted all options until that point I gave him a bath - and an opportunity/reason to really scream and swaddled him when he got out. He's been quiet since and we're having a nice, quiet morning. :)

Tried out one of the Bambinex bamboo nappies last night and it didn't go well. Was woken up 2 hours later by a crying soaking wet Bear. :( I'm going to have to figure out how to fit/use them properly.

I haz had masses of yellow poo this morning. Changing nappy, tiny poo. OK, cleaned bum - yellow poo starts emerging - tons of it! Fine, still holding feet out of poo, re-clean bum. Just about to whip nappy away and put a clean one down when it started up again! Baybee now weighs 2 lbs 6 oz.

rots I have accidentally called him Julian a few times!

At a cafe yesterday and when in the loo glanced in the mirror and noticed I had two damp patches over my nips. Am unable to produce breastmilk unless out in public!

How is everyone doing? This place is getting quieter by the day?

at calling him Julian :) Glad you foud the card

Now re nappies. I would suggest not starting them overnight - that takes some practise and tweaking. I find that the Bambinex without a booster is fine during the day, but last night, for instance, he wore a Mother-ease (without the pop-in) which if you don't know is just a cotton nappy, boosted with 2 bamboo boosters (the kind you have inside the Bambinex) and a fleece liner. I then added a fleece wrap (Tots Bots). These aren't waterproof which seems odd, but they allow evaopration through the wrap which makes the babygown veeeery slightly damp-ish but keeps his skin much drier.

That's only because I'd no bamboo nappies dry. Normally I would overnight him with a bamboo nappy, two or three bamboo boosters and a nice, loose PUL (waterproof, like you have) wrap (or a fleece wrap but ignore that for now).

It's very unusual for babies to mind being wet. It's an amazing marketing thing that Pampers et al have done, which is to actually teach everyone over the last 30 years that babies need to be dry to be happy. Normally they don't care so it MAY be something else he objected to. However some babies really do not like being wet/dirty which is harder.

The thing is, washable nappies ARE different to disposables. The skin doesn't stay so dry and you can see how wet they get (boost them). But the chemicals which cause nappy rash are still there with disposables.

In theory, you shoudl change a sposie as often as you would change a cloth nappy, but people don't, which creates a nice, warm, moist environment for bacteria, even though it feels dry.

I would recommend using cloth for the daytime for a few weeks to get the hang of it but like I've said, don't think of them as being just the same as disposables as they're not. You need to think about them a bit more in tweaking them to different purposes (nothing much, just how many boosters to use for instance) but otherwise they're really, really easy, and have all the benefits you bought them for - saving money - better for his skin (when you get the knack) - and more eco (which I'm not sure was your thing .

Dunno if this makes any sense as I'm rushing.

xx

rots Yes, I figured it was a fit issue and have been watching tutorials on youtube and trying to figure it out. Also not sure why I tried to jump in at the deep end and do it for night... Anyway, will experiment again later. Am amazed that anyone would not change a disposible as often as you suggest! I batter through about 10 a day and wouldn't DREAM of leaving a dirty nappy on a baby! I wouldn't sit around in wet pants all day. Often. Unless we were at a "special" club. I also had no idea about the wet-baby=bad myth! I think the main problem is that right now he's a long & thin baby (inherited from his mother ) - so I need to really have a fiddle with fitting.

You saying that about disposable-users - well, I suppose my way of handling it is why 5 weeks in he hasn't had an ounce of nappy rash and I only put a sudocreme style substance on twice a week...

PS How was your post-constipation Poonami?

n.b., I say "your" - clearly I mean comma. Or do I?

we change frequently and still have rash. but she is a sensitive skinned potential ginger!

daytimes much better since CO app. nights a bit fussier - mainly due to more hunger, then lots of straining. no poo since thursday evening - and that was two full nappies' worth at one change, just as ski describes.

not online as much at the mo. just the way it's happening.

I'm sorry curly - that was a wanky thing of me to say. :( If Squeaker has rash then I know that it's nothing to do with a hygiene issue with her parents. :( Poor little love. To patronise again - - are you using perfume/paraben/SLS-free stuff? I've got a load of Burt's Bees stuff for Bear. The dusting powder is gorgeous and there are so many "nasties" in ordinary talc - even for us adults and especially for us wimmins. Talc on toes = fine, talc on vulva = not so much.

How are you getting on with SFF anyway? Are things more positive in that area?

Glad to hear that the CO is going well for all of you who've tried it. Fanny did you do the CO or are CS babies kind of "immune" to this squishing stuff that can occur?

Btw - have just been out to buy a new bottle as his Dr Browns one (4 oz) is now at the end of its life in that Bear is starting to request a bigger portion. How is Squeaker doing?

I does not like massages, please to have manicure? Washing hands 100 times a day does not leave them soft & cared for. :(

Ski you iz very funny to cake girl. Having googled her name, I fear she may be for real.

rots I have taken my piglet to CO twice and has really helped too.. Turns out she tense on one side of neck, which explains the more rubbish latch on one side cos she doesn't like lying that way... I have been doing creative bf positions and yesterday we had night of calm evening, rather than fussing.

I like massage, I'll have one

I have decided that an afternoon nap for me solves most things...

Glad you found that card ski I have to sort registering with gp I think...

Hello FESHes, how are you all doing? I lurk occasionally but the stories of bleeding rasps and innards falling out of your fanjos scare me away fairly quickly. I am here to pick your brains. Maybe you have seen the story of AriesNephew who was born very poorly and had to have a life saving op at 2 days old. Well he's home now but Sister is feeling all weepy and rubbish and doesn't feel as though she's bonded with him properly. All perfectly to be expected of course (not that she accepts this). I don't really know why I have mentioned the above because all I am wondering, now that I know I have a little baby neph to buy presents for, is have any of you got any recommendations for a lovely musical mobile? Do any of the FESH babes have one of those? Can't be only purchasable in posh shops because I live in the sticks, so any suggestions for online musical mobiles? Thanks.

Off now to lurk and scan and sympathise and congratulate.

Think it depends on the CS circumstances, Ski. DD was born by CS and was completely and utterly squished. 40-odd hours of contractions, including at least 4 hours pushing are going to mash you about a bit - I wasn't allowed to wash her head for a week because she 'had a bit of a headache.' Which was unfortunate as she had lots of crusty blood in her otherwise lovely hair. She has a bit of a hairwashing aversion to this day!

I would recommend CO to anyone though, even if it is just for a check. And they can check you as well while you sre there - all those months of carrying a bowling ball in your stomach might mean you need some TLC to ensure you sit straight if you are getting back on t'horse. At least, that's what you should tell JB

PS Ariesgirl don't know the circumstances of your nephew's op. But we had a little Fisher Price musical carry-along thingie That went everywhere with DD for months and months, and helped her get off to sleep anywhere. Was very useful for if we were going to friend's houses for the evening as it made DD feel at home, and meant we could get out and about a bit and feel normal. Which you sister sounds as though she could do with a little bit right now. The music is lovely and makes me think of DD when she was very tiny. So Clucky - can I have it back please?

Thanks - I'll check it out. He was born with his bowels tangled round his lungs. Nice. Certainly recovering now, judging from the lungpower I've hearing roaring down the phone.

ariel I got a musical mobile from ELC. It's not out of the box yet because, as Rastus tends to co-sleep, I would have to attach it in some way to my own head. Or Homs. But it was half price at £12.50.

Glad to hear Arieneph is improving, poor little mite. I agree, powerful lung action is a sign of rude health

Aries The concept of "bonding" is, IMO, a bunch of bollocks. It's just a poncey way of saying "do tou care for (love) your baby?". Asking someone to sit down and tell you what bonding means produces the same sort of facial contortions you'd get if you asked a class of 13 year olds to define "love". Don't let her get dragged down by semantics. A nekkid day in bed will do her the world of good. Please to not be spilling coffee on the baybee.

iggy Am very glad to hear you are alive and still with us and are solving all woes.

boxer I don't think I ever felt that big or unbalanced. Can not have been that much bigger given hideous tales told by bathroom scales! That is awful about her head/hair!

cunty How do you get Hom to ignore the turning-of-puce, or TOP as it shall be known from here on in? Jailbait just can't/won't and leaps to attention every time Bear snuffles...

Btw - changing bags - is anyone actually using these? Saw someone yesterday with one the size of cabin baggage for a newborn. When I go out I take 2 nappies, a nearly empty pack of wipes, a bottle and a bib - for visits up to 3 hours.

ski we use a bum-bag because a) then all the shiz is in the same place, and b) it has a built in changing mat which is ruddy handy. It's a throw over my shoulder one, like a record bag though so it's not too bulky.

How to get Hom to ignore wailing? Allow him to have 2 previous offspring and inbue him with selective deafness and an obsessive fascination with facebook/his car notbeing sold on ebay. You have to allow them to thrash and go puce occasionally, it exercises their limbs and makes them strong. Same goes for the baybees.

i bought an expensive wonderful purpose built changing bag which magically splits into two parts should parents want to take one twin each out (this has never happened).

i now use my old trustee backpack, as to get down our 66 stairs to the world i need to carry one in a carry cot an one on my front.

yes. i am packhorse mum extra bags on shoulders are just no go.

the girls have found their mobility and can no longer fit in the same cot - we are now woken up by one kicking the head of the other. spent all morning putting both cots into our room so we now have only 1cm of living space left. all good fun.

they did a 7 hour stint of sleeping last night though. huzzah!

Bravo on 7 hr kip! I bet that was something of a milestone...

Rastus went from being put down in his basket at 11.30pm to waking IN THE SAME MOSES BASKET at 5.10am. This is a real bonus - usually he's in wsith me by 3ish. And I think this was because he slept on his front.

I know. It will no doubt end in Certain Death.

Well done cheggers - as cunty said, that's a major milestone for you and god knows you deserve it - it must be very hard to get them both off to sleep at the same time! 66 steps up carrying two baybees also explains the need for beer & chips! It is a clever idea about the splitting bag... but I just can't really imagine when you might use it... except e.g., you nip one of them around to the doctor's - but then why would you need a mammoth bag full of "accessories"?

cunty There was a post the other day on behaviour & development I think about front-sleepers. It seems some babies just "do" and the attitude seemed to be that if baby felt safe in doing so and could lift its head then go ahead. I'm also killing my baybee by not boiling water, cooling it down and making bottles.

Speaking of contradictory "advice" from various health organisations. E.g., bf nazis get their knickers in a twist saying "ooh but the WHO says..." - in contrast, the WHO says "wait 6 months after miscarriage", yet NHS says "wait 3 months" and Aberdeen uni have said "get back on the horse". Why is it that people are happy to disregard some info yet lecture you to death about other stuff? Why is it that the "Brits" are happy to ignore the WHO and follow NHS guidelines for miscarriage? hmmm? hmm? I saw on the news this morning that some top medical bod has started slating people's lifestyles - pregnancy btw came under lifestyle! It's almost like a game isn't it? What will wimmins/differs be blamed for next?