May 2010: All the babies have arrived, welcome to the other side!

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Here we are ladies, a new Postnatal thread! I wonder if we'll fill this one up as fast with one-handed typing?!

Oh and advice please girls...An old flame since even before university wants to meet up. Very difficult circumstances right now but would love to see him for a catch up. Hmm

dh, please, ask when don't understand, legal matter are serious, you need to know, i know is a lot to ask, maybe some family can help...

beware of rebound, meet if you feel confident will only be friendship, but sort out your head before embarking in relationship again

goota go, hungry again, 1 bottle so far today and 2 poos, surely he's getting enough....(paranoia passing through...)

Our night time pattern is settle down for a good long feed at about 7.30pm, he may settle at about 8pm may take longer, he wakes twice in the night for feeds, around about 12-1am when he comes in with us and again around 4-5am. The only way I can cope with the sleep deprivation is to cosleep so he never fully wakes up, he stirs, gets a boob then we both go back to sleep. Very rarely will I change him or wind him unless I hear it. He's 15lbs 7ozs now at almost 14 weeks, just above the 75th centile and following it perfectly.

pigley - aww poor you we all have mornings like that where it all goes wrong and by lunchtime we could cry. Wouldn't worry too much about DD1 wanting your DH I think they just miss them and sense they are not there, the first thing DD3 asks for most mornings is "Daddy?"

first1 - get yourself a good solicitor who will explain everything to you and fight a good fight on your behalf. about your not so DH's behavious with his daughter.

hollyoaks - I hope you get some answers to Grace's weight queries soon. If she seems happy I wouldn't worry too much.

Rachel - hope your DS1 is on the mend soon

Right had better go change his nappy, I could hear him from about 10feet away that he has done a poo. I have never had a baby so noisy either, must be a man thing.

Rachel - sounds like you've had a horrible day, poor you! I hope your DS1 feels better soon.

Hollyoaks - I hope everything's OK with Grace, I'm sure it's nothing to worry about but hope you manage to get some reassurance soon.

First1 - :( for you and all this stress. I know nothing about legal stuff but the legal section on here always seems to have lots of very well informed people.

SK - Corin is really noisy too. He often seems to have half hour sessions where he just farts loudly I think it must be a boy thing, I don't remember DD being as loud.

Well my afternoon was just as bad as the morning. DD turned into a major whinge and moaned the whole afternoon for Daddy :( It just makes it so much harder.
Hopefully with Nanny coming tomorrow it should take her mind off DH not being around so much.

Lucy decided to fight her sleeps too this afternoon and it took me over an hour to get her to sleep. Her eyes were rolling but she was just crying and crying. Such hard work whilst trying to cook dinner for DD too.
DH rang just at that moment too so im afriad he got a few tears down the phone.

Finally they are both tucked up in bed asleep I can relax and hope for a better day tomorrow. I feel so drained :( Roll on Friday!!

Rachel- Hope your DS1 is better soon, what a nightmare.

HOllyoaks- Hope the weight gain is nothing to worry about... Although you will anyway cause your a mummy! :)
Good luck at the Gym!

First- and about Chloe and her daddy. Do ask about things you dont understand, you dont want to sign something then regret it later.

SK- we too dont change Lucy at night unless shes poo'd or is very wet. The sainsburys nappies are very obsorbant and she hasnt had a nappy rash at all.

Really want chocolate but cant go out to get any. I think im going to buy a massive gooey chocolate cake to scoff on friday night as a treat for getting through the week without murdering anyone (I hope )

hello all! ive been trying to post for days but always get interupted or sidetracked! you all have small children you know how it is.

rachel i hope your day has improved...i get days like that when i wonder how im going to cope like this for the rest of my life...then i shake myself off and get on with it...sometimes like with anything it can all get on top of you.

hollyoaks hope grace os ok and that its just a bump in the road as they say, could it be that diffent scales etc? only hospital had that Flornece weighed 200g more at birth than she did...i had a photo of scales to prove and had it corrected. but a wrong recording ould be the problem. hope it is all ok anyway.

1st my heart goes out to you. after all you have been through. i pray that things get better for you and that you get a good lawyer, ask what everything means and dont worry if you have to ask twice. if you have questions write them down as you think about them and ask next time you go. once things have settled down, you will find your own routine and life will become easier. we are all here if you ned us. regarding old flame, as others have said unless it is strictly for a chat i wouldnt go there at the moment...i speak from experience, i just got more heart ache.

SK yep DS was definitley very gassy and more smelly...still is now, i blame his fathers genetics!

WLTKim glad the BF is going well, soon you may get to solely BF! your patience and perserverience (SP??) are fab most would have just though sod it!
pamelat i feel for your friend, IVF is terrible, my friend conceived twins just after i conceived Ds and telling her i was accidentally preg when she was on 5th cycle of IVF was awful, luckly she gave me the best news 6 weeks later...she now has 4 more naturally!

HB i too miss my girliy chats. i had PND with Ds and cut lots of people out of my life wanting to protect him from my previous lifestyle choices..its taken a long time to get back on track with all those friends, but most just waited for me to get back to normal. however as others have said mums groups are great, and the friendss i made after having Ds are closer and understand things better than my childless friends and sometimes that common ground makes you all a bit more bonded, even if you dont realise it at the time. 1 girl i met was my midwife with DD as we were so close and is DD's godmother. also i get confused as to who is who...are you far from me im liverpool.

*DEn my friend had just announced that she is 4 months pregnat ( at her wedding!)i told her i was very jealous as she knows i have always dreamed of having a large family...she said she had been jealous since i conceived Ds! im so please for her.

teething Florence cut her first tooth at 11 days old...i though i was imagining it but no...its friends followed and today we have 4 teeth, Ds got his first (fang) at 6 weeks and 3 days. she has also taken to thumb sucking...always the left hand. regarding tummy time...she will happily watch Ds play lying on her front on breastfeeding pillow with towel under. she has also been doing so many belly laughs recently that it gets me through even the worst of days.
to all who are back at the gym im very envious, just cant get someone to mind 2 of them whilst i get there, although mya see if its possible once Ds is bcak in nursery as of september. i have 6lb to lose to be back to pre preg weight.
we have had a mixed day her today...jabs this am ...she screemed the place down and has been clingy, but Ds has been a saint we have painted, done paper mache and cooked...tooch wood hings are starting to resemble normality once again!
anyway have to go Florence crying!
take care all xxx

My boy is another one with a noisy bottom - he's drawn gasps from across the table in noisy cafe's before. I've actually wondered if it means I should change my diet, but in a massage class I went to all the babies were going off like trumpets (including one girl) so maybe its just normal?

Pigley - hope tomorrow goes better for you - don't know how you do it without chocolate!

Hollyoaks - I've got my fingers crossed for Grace too, that the weight loss was just a one off.

Newmomma - any respite yet?

Angel - hope you're week is going well despite everything.

Den - wishing you and Rian all the best for the appointment

First1 - I've just seen on your profile page that you're so young and so pretty. I wouldn't rush to get involved with anyone else if I were you, take your time and make sure you're ready.

Rachel - if you want some company when you're next distracting your boys in London let me know. I'd love to meet them. My little one is piling on the weight and trying to roll - but nothing compared to Eric. He is also usually on his best behaviour when we're out and about too.

Wouldliketoknow - I'm v happy to read that your breastfeeding is going well. Well done to you for hanging in there with it. I'm lucky to have had an easy time of it mostly and think there's not much nicer than being able to give what such a little person wants, I really love it sometimes. I have had problems recently though. Blocked ducts. Thanks to MN I think I'm on top of them now (fingers crossed) but I've also been referred to breast clinic. I am now trying to find a way to get baby to take from a bottle which he's refusing so I'll be better prepared when we next have a problem. Can I ask what bottles you're using?

Pamelat - I'm still doing at least two feeds per night - 11pm/4am/5am/6-7am. I just feel lucky if we miss out the 1am feed! What bottles to do you use?

That hasn't covered everything but its the best I can do in one night

I'll be taking baby for his first jabs tomorrow, (at 10 weeks, they're quite late I think) I'm still dreading it.

schipo, we use tommee tippees closer to nature number 1, the shape is similar to breast, and the flow is very slow, he actually needs to suck or nothing comes up, also works for us to put the bottle where the nipple would be (dh too), so he feeds in the same position no matter what he is having. we tried avent ones but he is not fond of them. another tip, try to bottle feed him when he shows hunger, don't wait till he cries, oscar gets in a fit and won't take anything.
blocked ducts, try to have a bath or put a hot flannel on top, for a few minutes and then express with pump, works for me, better an electrical pump than a manual for that, i got a medela.
thank you all for the support, today it seems we are getting away with 3 bottles, not full ones too, and 6 breast feeds, he seems happy and producing nappies so i guess he is ok.

Morning all, thanks for all the supportive messages re Grace's weight, feel calmer today than yesterday. Surely she wouldn't be so content if she were hungry or in pain.

The gym went well but really need a programme put together by an instructor to improve my stamina and core strength, where have my stomach muscles gone? :(

Pigley - sounds like your having a tough time, 2yo's are such hard work. Hope your mum's arrival makes things easier.

First1 - I agree with others on here and give him a good fight, make sure you ask if you're unsure, that's what they're paid for and they will be used to explaining things. Is there anyone you can go with for support? You don't want to regret any decisions made once it's too late to change them.

Shipo - we use the Tommee Tippee bottles too and have had no problems.

Itshappened - how do Florence's teeth affect her bf or rather how do they affect you?

Noisy bums - Grace is the loudest baby going, people don't believe me when I say it's her as it's so loud and she stinks! There's also no mistaking when she's filled her nappy. I just assumed this was a bf baby thing. We joke that the consultant fixed her too well :)

Homebirth, SK and Schipo - feel for you too with the night feeds but glad to know its not just us.

Alex feeds 630pm- 180ml of formula. Doctor Brown level 2 teat.

1030pm dream feed, same.Often wakes before 1030 for it,would definately wake if didnt give it.

Between 1 and 2am wakes to breast feed, 15 mins each side.

Very easy to settle back down, just plonk in cot

430/5am - 150ml formula.

However between 6 and 7 wakes to be up,feeds few minutes but not hungry. Am going to try dummy instead of 5am feed?? He is over 16lbs, 91% so shouldnt do him any harm if he takes the dummy.

Hollyoaks Grace sounds more than content,maybe she is destined to be slight?My friends DD (now 3) had all sorts of referalls as a baby for her lack of weight gain but is now only slightly smaller than other 3 year olds,just slender

Alex is a great big podge!! If he poos everyone knows about it and he trumps all day. He is such a happy soul though,compared to how my DD was and is to some extent.

Quick Q. I can see obvious differences between personalities of myDD and DS, DS easier but am getting a bit sick of everyone commenting on it, especially in front of DD .I dont want her to get a complex, she is already emotionally complex, bless her. Time to have a word with "well meaning" family members me thinks ....

surely grace is ok , she would be crying otherwise, my mil says that a sleeping baby is well fed, and she raised 5!, so she must know, but do check with consultant for peace of mind.

pam- there is always differences between kids in the family, here we also have comments from members of the family comparing cousins, but not in front of them, my advice if that happens, reinforce with praise of her good traits, and remind her at every occasion:'we are all different and that is a good thing'.
in my home they stopped because, one cousins is being cared for by grandparents, while separated parents work, the other raised by mum and dad as normal, they used to comment how the later was a lot more alert and independant, and less shy and better all around, until they school psycologist asked about family arrangements, because he seemed to think he wasn't as good as his cousin, comments stopped, self steem improved. however, oscar is being compared to the others too, i guess is human nature.

Ah *schipo" love you lol! Good luck for baby's jabs, they're not fun but will be over very quickly.

I'm definitely NOT interested in being with anyone else for a very looong time. Just looking forward to going for a friendly coffee to catch up, but you're all right, I'm going to be extra cautious.

Legal stuff - I've asked solicitor's legal secretary to "translate" for me, which she's put in a long email and is now very self-explantory thankfully. It's just such a long process. Wish it could be done with a click of the fingers but I know that's wishing too much.

hollyoaks Grace sounds like a very content baby, she might just be destined to be a little wee thing!

pamelat sounds like you're getting a great feeding routine going, well done you!

rachel/newmomma hope you're both doing ok. Make sure to holla on here and let us know how you're both feeling.

teething - I think Chloe's first tooth is going to cut soon. She's gone from barely ever dribbling to being like a water fountain, and is always gnawing away at her tiny hand. Time for a teething ring me thinks. Any suggestions?

My last 2 babies have both lost weight at some point. With Dd3 consultant said I wasn't feeding her enough (ebf) she was 'too' good I felt, slept a lot but I didn't believe consultant,
I felt something not right, made him do test, she had renal reflux and was then on antibiotics til age 5. Virginia has also lost weight but is bright as a button, she has had a cold and thrush and it has affected
My milk supply. Was it mollycuddles who suggested fenugreek? I have been using it 5 days now and she is feeding like a trooper again so I am not too concerned.

Just go with your natural mother's instinct. It is seldom wrong ime.

Hi again, thanks again for all of the reassurance but shortly after my last post Grace started vomiting, first milk and then yellow bile, lots of it and all over my sheets and mattress :(. Cue frantic call to gp surgery demanding to be seen straight away as I was not waiting with an 11 week old who was very sick. I got an emergency appointment with lovely gp who prescribed dioralyte and offered to see her this afternoon if she hasn't improved. She's currently having her second bf of today so we'll see if she keeps that down. Glad I'm seeing consultant next week as I can't help but think that there might be something else wrong. :(

I'm such a worrier I find it difficult to distinguish between mother's instinct and anxiety.

there's no distintion between mother's instinct and anxiety, i live in a panic

what a doctor told my mum in the a&e:' you're gonna have to learn to chill

hollyoaks fingers crossed for you. Mothers instinct is a good thing most of the time. Can understand why you need to get her checked out.

It took me 5 appointments with my DD to get her disgnosed as reflux, no one believed me! Perserve if you think something needs seeing to,or at least just checking.

first, I wouldnt meet the ex at the moment. vulnerable time for you maybe? unless he can babysit whilst you go out of course joking.

Pamelat - I hate it when people comment on the differences. My parents are terrible for it, especially banging on about how boys are so much easier etc. My DSis and I ignore it, especially because they've always talked about the differences between us as well and it's really annoying!

Hollyoaks - I hope Grace is OK :) Sounds very worrying. I generally find I can tell the difference between anxiety and mother's instinct tbh - I know if I'm being over-anxious and can control it.

Re teething - can't believe how early some of them get teeth! I'm worrying about feeding when he's got teeth - do they bite more or is it OK?

Glad we're not the only ones with a noisy baby! He wakes me up in the night with his farts sometimes I'm trapped between him and DH, not fun!

Pigley - hope you're having a better day today :) You definitely deserve a huge piece of chocolate cake. I got myself a takeaway last week just for putting them both to bed by myself.

Schipo - we used to use Tommee Tippee Closer to Nature for DD and she seemed to like them.

Rachel and Newmomma - hope you're both doing OK, thinking of you.

Good luck to all with baby jabs. Corin had his yesterday and was not a happy bunny. He was grumpy anyway so probably not the best day for it. Seems OK today though. We went on a train ride on the heritage railway with PIL and DD loved it.

good news: we are now regular with the poo, 9am and 5 pm.
bad news: that is also bath time, as massive, explosive poo gets to the nappy, the vest, the trousers, the sheet...bum, legs, back, tummy, and it is hard to hold him so he won't touch anything and stick his hand in his mouth...

need some cake now...

Hello ladies, just a quick drop in..

hbm sorry you have been feeling down :( wish we could all live nearer for a good girly giggle!

Well done to all those coping with DCs on their own! Don't know how you do it..

lol, WLTK Jude is hard to hold down too and regularly kicks his legs so manically he sticks his feet right into his dirty nappy I've just taken off!

first1- Glad your getting things translated now :)

Hollyoaks- Hope Grace improves soon :(

Pamlet- Theres been a constant comparison between DD and my niece. It does drain!

WLTK- Lucy kicks about and has a habit of getting poo on her socks/feet.

Having a better day today thankfully!

Took Lucy to be weighed first thing.. at 12 weeks shes 12lbs 1.5ozs. :)

Mum came mid morning and we went into town for some shopping. I actually bought somethings for me!! Its usually for the girls so a welcome change. Couple of tops and a fab pair of wedges. I might even start to look abit trendy again!

Mum is being kinda helpful.. when prompted. Did get abit annoyed earlier though when Lucy was crying and I was doing something with DD and instead of helping she asked for the remote so she could turn the tv up as she could hear it [grrr]
Shes now snoring on the sofa. At least DD hasnt whined for Daddy today :)

Planning to go to the farm tomorrow- weather being ok.

pigley Jude weighs the same as Lucy and he's only 9.5 weeks!

Shopping sounds fab, I really want some wedges!

Hello all, quick post from holiday so I don't lose the thread...
Had a lovely day in Llandudno today with some friends and their children and DD1 was very cute putting her new walking skills to good use. DD2 is still being the model baby which is useful, though we were also talking about teething today as her gums are starting to look a bit pinker and she seems to be getting a bit more upset than usual.

Anyway, off to enjoy a few more days hols so sorry for lack of personals....

just a quickie as Ive dropped off thread will add personals another time.

20 years ago my first baby was due but I lost him to an abruption at 26 weeks..Ive spent the day blubbering and generally feeling sorry for myself..feel kind of choked and raw today like its just happened..

So sorry ML big hugs to you. I can imagine that is something one can never get over really. Truly heartbreaking. Really puts things in perspective. I feel so blessed to have my boys.

I'm so sorry, M:L. I can't imagine the grief from losing a baby - even thinking about it is too hard to consider.