Dec 08 Ladies - Maybe this thread they'll ALL sleep through the night at the same time!

[Beans33]

Apologies for rubbish title, couldn't think of anything - mind is totally riddled by hormones...!

Kiwi I've texted Sybs to get Beans address. I can FB you with it when she texts back.

Spot, I thought they weren't going to do a 12 week scan for you. Sorry your feeling a bit wobbly about your house (& your solicitor). Hope it all comes out how you want. Did you say there's a communal garden?

Gosh Emily the dodgy rathamster has just bitten DS2, lots of blood & screaming.

Hello quick question from me will be back later with proper update.
Does anyone know what would suddenlymake my bump really uncomfortable but only while walking or standing up? It really hurts and i can only walk really slowly! i am worried the baby might be transverse all of a sudden as it really hurts at the sides? Anyone know any exercises I can do if it is that?

Lightening, I'm not sure if it is or isn't transverse but my bump used to get very tight feeling and either sitting on the edge of my couch and leaning over one of those fit balls helped, or straddleing a dining chair with a huge cushion/pillow on the back of the chair to lean forward onto, or doing the old all fours rocking back & forth or making a figure of eight 'Tara Lee yoga' stylee. Sometimes the tightening feeling was due to really bad wind & lying on my left side helped.

thank you all for being lovely. i, of course, spilled the beans to two of my best friends at lunch. honestly, i cannot keep anything to myself.

i don't feel different in the slightest - no sore boobs, no frequent weeing, nothing. occasionally i get period like cramps (v light), but that's it. and that's not particularly reassuring, so am booking the scan for 4 weeks time when i reckon i should be 8 weeks. we did the same last time - posh fetal medicine centre, so if it is bad news, at least you get to dry your eyes with posh tissues and there are moulton brown toiletries in the loos, which i could always steal if that is going to make me feel better. suppose i should go and see the doctor, too, shouldn't i?

spot - how was your scan? how many weeks are you now?

avo - alas el smuggo's home is not dirty. i can't even work out if she has a cleaner (although i can't believe she doesn't, i bet she wouldn't tell if she did). she does make us drink out of jars, though, in an effort to reduce her carbon footprint (yawn - don't forget this is the person who wanted a carbon neutral wedding, so lives in london, had the registry office wedding in new york, got married in israel, and spent the next 6 months studying her nutritionist course commuting to new york from london!!!). hilariously, though, she has a gorgeous, massive room as her study, when she is really only a blogger, while her dh, who is an award-winning tv and film writer has the pokiest study in the top of the house. ah well.

veggie - you make me laugh - always so generous and positive about people, and yet also human enough to wish a bit of the odd bit of bad luck on them, too.

lightning - no idea. veggie's idea sounds good.

Veggie: could you FB me the address too please?

Back from London town and need to do supper but just wanted to say a thrilled but faintly cautious YIPPADEEDOODAH to WG! So you don't need my Clearblue and fertility book which I have been too useless to send! Maybe I will send it anyway and then you definitely won't need it (if you know what I mean). As to El Smuggo, the woman's self importance know no bounds. Lying in for 40 days? A week after my section I was in the pub with DD, swigging mulled wine on top of my codeine. Ha! Very lovely it was too. She can stick that up her holistic kazoo! Ah, the kid'll probably grow up hating her (though that's very mean of me to say, I sound like the bad fairy). Cackle.

I fell on my face on Sunday - slipped on a rub in my flat and landed on my arm and face. I have got a fat lip and it's all black and bruised inside, and my arm, which looks uninjured, is still throbbing. Horrible. DD2 is ok though. The rash is medieval. I've got a steroid cream. If that doesn't sort it in a week I've got to have various tests or summat. I am sure El Smuggo would think it's karma for the way I live my life

Another one for Beans' address please, and I hope your scan went well, young Spot. Back on later with fulsome catch up.

Yep sure, I haven't heard from Sybs yet though. She hasn't been on here either. Hope she's ok.

WG don't forget the hot chocolate machine there too. Yum! Also WG we drink out of jars too, nutella jars. We have a full set of 12 nutella jars now!!!! It's not to reduce our carbon footprint though, we just eat too way much nutella. I really should buy the bigger jars but I seem to go through them as fast as a small one.

WG that is funny re el smugo.

Veggie I would like the address to so en mass FB mail.

SL on all fours my love lots of rocking. Also walk up the stairs sideways that should get your little monster moving. Can you go for a swim it may help.

Loads more I need to catch up on but a wave will have to suffice. I am just home from body pump and am stinky and sweaty. Like you all need to know

lady - ouch ouch ouch. take care, pet (sounding like turnip), but keep cackling!

veggie - oh, we've got loads of nutella glasses and german mustard glasses - is that what you mean? she drinks from proper jars - like you get jam and chutney in. it's quite quaint, actually. from anyone else i might think it was sweet. but i am so full of bile about her it seems i cannot be reasonable.

Ouch! Lady I'm glad DD2 is ok but that fall sounds a bit nasty, do you think you've done something to your arm or just bruised underneath? I hope the steroid cream sorts it out, is it over a large area, have they given you enough? I'm sure elsmuggo would suggest rubbing cow poo on yourself under a full moon or something like that.

I've just eaten 2 orange iced donuts (Dutch world cup donuts of course) & I feel a bit sick now.

Yeah they're the ones I mean. It's actually getting out of control we nearly have no room in the drinking glasses section of our kitchen cupboard because we had so many. I assume her children won't be eating nutella. Couldn't she send her jars to the recycling. I would find the screw top bit at the top a bit annoying to put my lips on to drink. Good on her though, she can have my old new born nappies if she wants to be really wants to be carbon neutral. I really should throw them I guess, won't be needing them anymore.

Hiya just a quickie from me as am full of cold and feeing v sorry for myself (not for anything serious, of course). Scan went fine today - well, in as much as they can tell at this stage. Had my bloods done afterwards for the downs screening, has anyone else had it done? They say they'll call within 3 days if I'm high risk, or send a letter in 2 weeks if low. So basically I spend the next three days waiting for the call and then, if I do get it, worrying about whether to have the amnio or not. Am beginning to regret asking for it now, was much easier when I decided I just didn't want ot know!

Lady, your fall sounds scary, as does your rash. Are you looking after yourself properly, young lady? I hope DP is waiting on you hand and bump.

Veggie I'm sure you could put your old nappies to creative use. A stylish cloche hat, peut etre?

WG, it sounds like you've got it as sorted as is possible (and are willing to indulge in some petty theft which is always a positive sign). Am thinking of you.

Evening again!
Balls my stomach is still hurting so much. It's kind of all over, but particularly underneath, but it's only bad when i stand up/walk, but i can hardly walk. Argh. Hope it is the position and little monkey moves in the night. It's not on and off so I don't think it's labour or anything! I might call the midwife tomorrow if it isn't better though as I don't think I want to go on like this for 6 weeks! Also would like to know if trouble is in a crap position so I can do all the exercises to move him! Thanks for the tips veggie and jam all fours feels nice as does the relaxation position (can't remember what it's called) where you are on your knees with your arms out head on arms, but neither have fixed it as yet. Can't go swimming at the mo as DH away with work, maybe when he gets back.

Oh LadyT ouch.. Glad you are sort of OK and DD2 is ok! Take care of yourself Missus. You are mean about el-smuggo - I love it.

Drinking out of jars? Weird. Veggie you are weird too in that case. I keep jars for when I make homemade chutney my brother/mum come round and say "Ooh look at all these jars, can I have some", i give them the jars, they give me homemade chutney or chilli jam back in the jars. Is great.

And I get my real drinking glasses from beer festivals!

spot hope the scan was all good. Did you pay for a 12 week one in the end or did you get it after all? Sorry about the house wobbles, maybe you just lost a bit of commitment too it when you heard you couldn't rent it out, as you thought it might be a deal-breaker so you didn't want to be too disappointed?? Don't forget it's not weather like this all year round so the lack of a garden isn't as much of a big deal as it seems when it's glorious like this. Oh our house move - it is our buyers - they are just being shit and not returning calls - well their solicitors that is. Our solicitor thinks their solicitor is terrible!! We want to move in about 3 weeks so we need to exchange asap.

xposts spot, was it a nuchal scan?? At ours I think they did the bloods a few days before so they could combine results with the scan results while you were there. Fingers crossed it's all low risk.

It was the nuchal scan, and sounds like it makes a lot more sense to have done the bloods first.
You could be right about the house thing, I am a bit cold feety but I think it's just cos it's such a big thing. Have sent letter to solicitor with more questions so we'll see.
I hope the pain in your belly subsides, I'm afraid I have no idea what it could be but hopefully it's a position that will shift.

Welcome to the world Prudence! Congratulations Beans, I am so pleased to hear that your beautiful new girl has arrived safely . I hope you are enjoying motherhood this time around and both your girls are being angels for you. Please can someone post her new address on fb, as I too would love to send a card

Yet more congratulations to WG, lots of sticking vibes to your little dot. My fingers are crossed for you . And after you were concerned that it would never happen for you, its come good

And welcome back Mom, you are so positive and I?m glad the mc all went as well as it possibly could and not too physically difficult for you

V pleased to hear that your big talk was worth and the worry and the effort Spot, and that you had such fun too. And that all went well today

LadyT so sorry to hear about your horrible fall, sounds scary for you. I hope you?ve put your feet up and rested a bit to get over the shock of it

Lightening that sounds really uncomfortable. Oi, littleLightening, get moving for Mummy

I?ve not had the greatest week, so please forgive a bit of a ?me? post here ? on my way to work yesterday a motorbike went into the back of me as I was overtaking a lorry and he came off and somersaulted all over the road. It was so awful to watch in my mirror, but fortunately he has only a broken thumb and I am absolutely fine, apart from shaking a leaf for most of yesterday. I was so useless at the time and couldn?t do anything to help or even think straight, which I am very ashamed of, so I am very grateful that others were on the road at the same time and able to call 999 and do what sensible people do in these situations. The road was closed for a full 2 hours and I had to wait at the scene with the police, until they?d got the go ahead that his injuries weren?t fatal. Today its turned into endless phone calls, to my insurers, the police, back to the insurers, which aren?t finished yet. And then mid morning I got a call from some ambulance chasers asking me if I wanted to claim for injury or damage to my car ? of which there is nothing of either ? and when I told them this, they said ?shall we keep your file open, in case you get an injury soon?? WTF?! My insurers are of the opinion that he went into the back of me, rather than me pulling out, as he hit me right in the middle of my car, at the back ? whereas if I?d pulled out without seeing him, he would have hit the side or corner of me (although they would prefer that, no payout for them). He is claiming I pulled out. I have no idea, as its all a bit of a blur, so am reliant on the witness statements. All horrible. I am hugely relieved that no-one was seriously injured, and even more so that DD wasn?t with me at the time. But still would have much preferred an uneventful day at work instead .

On a happier note, I?ve just booked a long weekend for a couple of weeks time. DH?s idea, as its his birthday and he?s still got some bonus to spend (I think he?s worried about missing out, as I promised to take him out last year, but got mastitis and shivered and sweated in bed instead). We?re going to stay in a cottage near Richmond (N Yorks, not Richmond London) and it looks lovely. They do say they offer babysitting services, but I?m a bit wary of leaving DD with a stranger. This place is registered with ?baby friendly boltholes? (although I saved almost £300 by booking direct ), so the babysitters will be great I?m sure, but I?ve only left DD with family or close friends before. Would you go for it, so we can have a grown up night out, which I'd dearly love?

Oooh, Summer, that sounds 'orrible. I do hope the pain subsides, you poor old thing. DD was transverse towards the end for a few weeks but I don't remember pain like that (although I had some sort of limb in my ribs and THAT was agony, ivy). Remember, you are now in what is technically called the Shit Phase of Pregnancy, when you feel massive, everything hurts and seems like a hassle. I can only offer you my sympathy, and the assurance that when I am in my last 7-8 weeks, in a foul mood and in considerable discomfort, you will have a lovely fuzzy haired little babe and it will all be behind you. Oh, and awkward conveyancing sols are the pits, and so numerous too. Swimming sounds good. Can you have a nice bath?

Spot, I had a nuchal and they do the bloods same day, to give you a combined risk. I think it covers more bases. I was very nervous about it this time (after that 1 in 96 last time). However, to put that in perspective, I did read on here about a brave lady who was given a 1 in 4 ...and the babe was fine. I am glad you got through The Talk ok. It struck a chord, your saying that you have the same issues as when you got together. Same here, really. We will have the same old row forever, I reckon, but we are both a bit more accepting this last 12 months or so. I can never decide whether it's progress or just settling for less but I guess I conclude it's a sort of a broad brush generosity/self preservation. Oh, and good luck with the decision over the new flat. A good way of testing what you really think is imagining how you'd feel if it fell through tomorrow.

Effie, I am glad you had a nice time at the spa. I like the smell of the Sanctuary's stuff but I always feel I discern a distinct whiff of raw potato in there. Am I mad?

JJ - glad the boss took your news about No. 2 well. Stuff like that is a real load off. Oh, and I call mine No. 2, but I feel slightly troubled when I say it as I think it makes her sound like a poo. Hypnosis is actually a good idea for DP. I wonder if it would help? There's not much that will help with hypnagogic hallucinations other than reducing stress and also keeping a clutter free bedroom - not really possible in our cramped flat. He can go for a couple of months without one or have several in a week. They really distress me (he talks and can respond but isn't awake) and being woken up by him (sometimes with him shaking me awake or shouting) is just vile. But he thinks I am really unsympathetic, so it's a tough one. I know he can't help it. But he goes straight back to sleep and I am left awake, heart pounding! Anyway, unless we have separate beds, which I don't want, it's something we both have to live with.

Veggie - you didn't have a coffee until ELEVEN this morning?? I would be unable to SPEAK. Oh, and I haven't got much steroid cream but I am only allowed to use it for a short period before they want to investigate other things. I thought it would be a common pregnancy rash or more likely eczema but the consultant wasn't sure what it was.

Thanks for the kind wishes about my stupid fall. I slipped on a rug, of course, not a rub Tbh I am just glad No.2 is ok and that I still have all my teeth. I really DO not know what I have done to my arm though.

Right, I am deeply knackered now and need to go or this will run into the usual seven volumes. Katie, I hope you are now the proud owner of cottages.

Zoe, I always x-post with you, I think we are the night owls. I am SO sorry about your awful accident yesterday What a miracle no one was more seriously hurt. Thank heavens. The shock must have been horrendous, though. I am so sorry for you. I really hope it gets sorted with the insurers with not too much stress for you. Keep us posted. Babysitting - tough one. I am sure all these people are vetted within an inch of their lives, but I do understand your concern. My rationale would be (maybe an illogical one, I dunno) is that I would use such an agency but only for a relatively short evening (say, dinner 7.30 until 10).

Back yesterday but knackered.
Huge congrats to WG. So pleased for you, that's lovely news when you were so down about it all.

2nd half of trip improved a lot mainly with ds's teeth plus dh started to be a bit more helpful after a lecture from me. He gets all stressy and just goes into his own world and I end up dealing with ds like it's my sole duty. He doesn't mean it I know, just doesn't think. But that's just as bad if you ask me. The last night on the coast was nice. Ha! at the pampering from dh though. The ferry is a freaking nightmare. We had a cabin but couldn't get an outside one and it was bot so smooth on the return so I was a little seasicky feeling (no vomit) but dh had really bad gas and given that he could sleep through a cyclone, he was asleep by 8pm and I was totally seasick, gassed out and dealing with ds who decided we were having a slumber party since I was on a bed with him and wouldn't sleep till about 930pm. I tore strips off dh for forgetting I'm pg and not halping out more as I get very anxious about eating with ds in public as I feel dh can tolerate his meltdowns and does nothing and the burden is ll on me which makes me not want to go out, but on hol's there's really no choice, so dh finally took over a bit more voluntarily and the change in ds was remarkable. He was almost an angel foe every dining out experience for the last half of the trip so I hope it's made dh realise now...
Suffice to say was still happy to get off that darn thing. I'll post piccy's on FB later. All things considered was fun, I got to fill the boot with wine on the way home but I'm not convinced I want to go to Devon at the weekend for more cycling related fun just SO big and knackered feeling for this kind of stuff... I just want to sleep but I can't.... db-gate also flared up again mid Spain there was some verbal slagging off and I've just decided now that he's never gonna except talking about it and his way is just to let it go and agree to disagree so whatever. They have no-where to stay for 3 nights (6 days after baby) so I've said it's fine. I'm sure they will be on best behaviour) and it's just easier. They are also calling in for a night on the way through in a couple of weeks so that should be better than lobbing up the first time when I have new baby.

SL I have had that. if it's the TV thing (mine was) I hope it turns for you. Do kind of a handstand thing off the couch (knees on couch) and balance like that as long as you can. it's spose to work
I've got 4.5 weeks and I constantly can't sleep. Ive got RSL, really uncomfy bump, toss and turn all night, feel out of breath and terrible heartburn constantly. This is def worse than last time.

Lady I hope you are ok

Zoe glad no-one was hurt badly, but how stressful for you.

Spot yeah, I had that and it's nerve racking but do something to take your mind off the phone ringing! You'll be fine and I'm sure you'll just get a letter in 2 weeks.

Hello Sybs, are you ok?
Oh please can I be FB-ed or Texted beans new address? Sybs has it but I forgot to get it when I saw Beans too at the old place.... I will text you too Sybs.

Prob missed loads and had more but I'm shattered, and I have to go and get the dog. She can be annoying at times, but i've really missed her

sorry so full of typos and gramatical errors. I'm so tired. I meant I have RLS (restless legs) and that dh is stressy surrounding races and goes into own world, and I'm hoping you can figure out anything else that doesn't make sense!
I'm booking into a spa.... I'm gonna get mil to have ds for a day soon....

well right on the dot of 0700 ds is awake He has settled back into being home. He was so pleased to see his own bed again.

Gosh I hate restless legs Rubes. I get them when stressed and tired and just thinking about it makes me squirm. I am glad your DH pulled his finger out for the second half of the trip. You may find that when no.2 arrives he becomes much closer to, and hands on with, number 1. Lots of my friends said a nice by product of having a newborn was the way it made their partners take responsibility for the toddler.

Zoe what a horrible shock you had. I know it sounds horrid but I would try and make sure you drive somewhere today. If you leave it it may become harder. And I can't believe those ambulance chasers egging you on to fake whiplash or something. What a dispicable lot. On the babysitting I would go for it. As we have no family or friends prepared to babysit we often get strangers from sitters.co.uk. Every one has been great and a fully vetted childcare professional. If you are nervous about how DD will react then book the sitter for after she will be asleep and tell them to call you if she wakes.

So sorry to hear about your fall LadyT. Did you get the arm x-rayed?

Spot, LadyT is right about it being useful to envisage how you would feel if the sale fell through tomorrow you may remember we nearly bought a place a year ago but I developed some concerns. Then the survey suggested some problems with planning permission and I realised I was hoping those problems would give us an out. In the end our solicitor suggested a solution but my reaction to the problem made me realise it was the wrong place for us.

Can the basket send some White Light (tm) to my friend L? She has two kids who are the same ages as mine and she has just been diagnosed with mouth cancer. She is having an op this weekend. I am devastated for her and can only imagine how scared she must be. Cancer is such a bastard. I keep thinking how even if she beats this one it must always hang over you knowing rogue cells may be hiding in some lymph node somewhere. So horrid at any time but with two v young kids it's just unspeakable.

Avo, sorry to hear about your friend Good vibes her way.
yeah dh actually said that about when #2 arrives (says he knows he'll be more hands on but sometimes just doesn't think when he doesn't have to at the moment therefore needs to be prompted often. So tiring though when 33 weeks clackered. He agrees that he's crap and doesn't think - even forgets that i'm clackered not sure how that's possible with my constant moaning and the sheer size of my arse

ds went back to sleep poor bugger is knackered. Have posted pics on FB