Dec 08 Ladies - Maybe this thread they'll ALL sleep through the night at the same time!

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Apologies for rubbish title, couldn't think of anything - mind is totally riddled by hormones...!

I'm finding France a little...eh...boring. I want them to win because I want vengence for Uruguay denying Australia entry to the 2002 world cup with their dirty tactics. But I'd like a bit of excitement. Maybe if Uruguay score one after halftime then France will have to pick up their game.

Spot the Indonesian was amazing. It just tastes so yummy. Unfortunately, I've had a bad diet day today. We watched the game this afternoon with munchies and now Indo yum yum plus I've had 2 soft drink. Better be careful tomorrow and maybe go for a run.

Bonjours mon amis

Eurostar just stopping at Ebbsfleet ( wherever that is) so nearly home.

Who won the French match? There was a big screen in front if the Eiffel Tower and my office was about 2 mins from it. They were building up a crowd as I left. However, I drew Uruguay in the office sweepstake so my loyalties lie there (sorry Veg).

For those considering what books to use to help explain clackerdom to the little'uns can I recommend Mummy Laid an Egg. It's hilarious. It is actually about where babies come from so not that helpful when preparing for a newborn but it's worth buying fir the page showing "different ways mummies and daddies fit together". It gave DH and I some new ideas...

And on gender predictions I stock with my view that you will all repeat what you had first time. I know that already makes me wrong for Pubes, but she will be the exception that proves the rule.

Poison - I agree entirely with LadyT. It's super to hear from you but we want to hear about you. How is country life going now? Are you settled?

Good luck for tonight Kiwi. I worry I was rather bombastic with my advice earlier in the week. As others have said, different approaches work for different families and I didn't mean my way was the only way.

Am soooooo tired & once I get into London I will still have to slog across the Underground. Urgh, urgh, urgh. My bag is also very heavy thanks to cheap French wine and cheese. Mmmmm.

snorting at avo's kama sutra for babies

Avo your advice wasn't bombastic at all! Everyone has been so helpful and supportive, it's lovely.

Last night not bad - she went to bed fine - didn't have time for a bath but I put her down still awake and she went to sleep witout protest - then woke up 4.30am for a bit of a howl but went back to sleep until 6.15, so that's great. Tonight will be harder as I"m at my in-laws so can't really let her howl at 4.30 so might have to feed her if she does, which is abit of a bugger. So cross fingers she just sleeps through!

Hello,

Been swimming. Knackered now. But stuff to do... Tried on 2 dresses and ds actually laughed really loud each time I put the dress on. I hate those mirrors in change rooms awful awful awful.

Kiwi, great progress... You are nearly there. I can't help thinking though, that you are going to undo stuff by feeding her if she wakes at 4am at the in laws. Is there any way around it? Can you explain to them the situation? Otherwise it will just teach her that the last two nights you weren't serious. I'd actually not go if there is no way around it. Really don't want to sound like a meany, but I'm very nervous for you to get back on track. I'm sure others will disagree with me - it's just she sounds like such a smart little bugger and you are doing so well.

Kiwi: I would suspect any 4am howling will not disturb the ILs much if at all. I would stick to your guns as well, otherwise you may get more howling and disrupted nights when you are back home, which is not ideal if you're on your own. Hope she sleeps like a log tonight. The third night is the toughest and you've got through that!

Rubs and Effie I think you are right. I will talk to my in laws about it. It's actually only my father-in-law who will suffer - my mother-in-law is actually deaf so, well, it's clearly not an issue for her.. My father in law is totally smitten w DD so the only issue will be persuading him it's for her own good! Wish there was a downstairs room tho, unfortunately it's a small house so pretty un-noiseproof!

Kiwi, I know what you mean, my mil is hopeless. She can't leave ds to cry for more than about 60 seconds (no joke) but if I insisted she would go along with it.
It really will benefit her and you I really believe that.
At least your mil is deaf (in the nicest possible way of course!)
Right off to get some stuff done... Gotta get dh's bike wheel trued

Kiwi - another one to add to the "if she howls, leave her for a few minutes" brigade. When we stayed with the IL's for SIL's wedding last summer I spent the entire night panicking that DD's noise was keeping them up, and she was quite loud. In the morning they both said they'd not heard a thing.

If you reiterate that it's helping her to be able to get a good night's sleep in the long term, I'm sure they'd agree.

Quick one from me: can I put in a plea for some White light for my best friend? She is not in a good place at the moment but soldiering on. I haven't got much of a clue as to how I can help either. I get the impression that she doesn't want to bother me when she's feeling down.

Kiwi it's a bit late but I'm sure your inlaws will understand and also it always seems louder and longer lasting to you. They will be fine good luck. I'm also really happy last night went so well. She must have esp'd DS2 because he slept throught til 6.30 (after a neurofen fill up at 11pm).

Avo you are the least bombastic person ever, in fact I do not think you could ever be bombastic (are we developing our own language?). Also DH is quite interested in the baby book you mentioned .

We have had the best day. It is a flag day here which is a celebration of the first day of the new herring fishing season. It means they get fresh new herrings which quite excites the old Dutchies cos the love eating the slimy little things raw [spew emoticons]. Any we are obviously not interested in raw herrings but wanted to have a look at the festivities. It was down at the harbour near the beach and it was so much fun. They had this kids section where they had all these traditional Dutch kids games so DS1 had a go at them all & got a lolly. We also got to go on a huge boat which is a oil rescue boat. With all the tankers floating out in the North sea the Dutch have become at the forefront of oil soaking up, according to the information lady on the boat. Anyway loads of other cool stuff including a shoe sale where I got 2 lovely pairs of shoes for €10! Then we dropped all our new buys home (there were a lot) and headed into a Jazz festival on one of the canals in town. Again, brilliant fun, the boys loved it. The Jazz bands played on barges on the canal and took turns at different point on the canal then swapped around so you could either follow a group up & down the canal or stop in one spot & have all the groups come to you. We did a bit of both, the boys loved it, DS1 is a jazz convert and both boys bopped away to the really good mix of international jazz bands.

Home now we had dinner in town then got home just in time for the England game though missed the first goal. DS1 has crashed but DS1 was really good today and we are letting him watch the game with us instead of a bath & book.

Pubis, DS1 once told me whilst I tried on maternity clothes in a busy changing room that one top didn't make me look slim. He wasn't speaking quietly.

Oh & Effie putting the White light over your friend. Some people don't want certain friends to be crutches I think. I have a lovely close friend who has mental health problems and never wants me around when he has. I think for him when he is well he likes that I've never seem him when he is low. I think maybe let her know your available if she wants you and maybe send her a little treat or a card.

Hello Vagina, quiet on here. Your day sounded lovely. Your ds is hilarious! Although I bet you weren't thrilled at the time of his comment There was no mistake with ds he giggled like a school girl with each dress I tried on!

Poor England, not an ideal start really.

Kiwi, hoping things are going ok.

Effie, good thoughts to your friend.

I know I couldn't believe that mess up by Green. Just hold the bloody things it's not difficult! I wonder if Crouch has more trouble dealing with games at altitude? Looking forward to tomorrows game Australia v Germany. It's nice to know the Netherlands (& most of the world) will be supporting us tomorrow. Sadly I will have to watch the game alone as DH has to catch the plane at 6pm. Then Netherlands on Monday.

Hello,
I read that as your DH told told you that the top didn't make you look slim veggie. I was just thinking that sounds like the sort of thing my DH would do!!! I had a classic today, went to the pub, my (male) friend says "Oh you don't look that pregnant in that top", "Great", I think, and then he follows it up with "You just look a bit fat"!!!!! Aren't men so great.
Glad you had a good day!

kiwi hope tonight goes well, hopefully she will sleep but if she doesn't I agree that you should definitely stick to the plan!

effie sorry your friend isn't doing so well. Hope things get better for her soon.

Not watched the footie but see it was 1-1 - oh dear!

Oh I just wanted to say as well that I wasn't meaning to make a dig about people offering kiwi lots of advice when I said about not stressing out if it doesn't work, just that it's difficult to know what will work when you don't know just how badly someone else's DC sleeps, cries, for how long, and how they react to various things, etc. Hope that makes sense. Honestly I wasn't (though Avo I don't know what bombastic means)!! Just that I know that it can be stressful when you try something and it doesn't work, and you can think you are doing it all wrong. Anyway fingers crossed for tonight.

when did you say that Summer? Am I missing a whole page?

Rubes it was a while back before night 3 of mini-kiwi's sleep training, it was in a rare long post of mine so you might have skimmed over it.

Lightening (because that is my name for you now), that is hilarious. I can just imagine you feeling a little pleased with yourself for a split second then have it all come crashing down to earth.

Speaking of the use of the word bombastic, I was speaking to DH tonight and instead of using the word pregnancy in the conversation I said clackered. DH looked at me very confused and said 'what!'. I have started using MNdec08 language in RL.

Vaginal, I do that too. btw, love your variations of my name Pubis I have said 'dh' in RL and 'ds'

Lightening, I missed the bombastic post too I'm clackered

I liked Pubis too Pubes. I have to avoid DH and DS especially on facebook and bike forums for outing myself as a mumsnetter! DH still tells everyone I go on mumsnet though, sigh. He was a bit sheepish the other day when I reminded him that he told HIS MUM my log in name though.

Haha I typed Pubie into the itouch and the spell checker/pre-emptive text thingy changed it to Pubis, which I quite liked so left it.

Right I'm shattered I'm off to bed night night all. Hope
to hear everything ok for you in the morning Kiwi. Wishing good sleeps for all the little ones.

Oh and veggie the same friend later told me that my hair was looking grey and said "Isn't your hair meant to look nice in pregnancy?". LOL he wasn't having a good day on the old tact front.

My hair is a mess but I am trying to hang on until Mat leave to get it properly seen to, though I had actually just bought some dye as it is looking super grey!

I'd be livid Lightening! I'd have def changed my name if that was the case... dh has asked me infront of mil "oh who is that you are going to visit? Is it one of your mumsynetter friends?" and I have promptly reminded him it's a baby group

Massive movement tonight and Braxton Hicks I think. V painful.

That said, he does refer to Lady by her real name and Avo by her occupation as I had mentioned it during the related time when Avo answered a question, and he has met them both
Goodnight Vaginal