Dec 08 Ladies - Maybe this thread they'll ALL sleep through the night at the same time!

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Apologies for rubbish title, couldn't think of anything - mind is totally riddled by hormones...!

Rubs our TV is right at the front of the house and DS1's room is right at the back of the house. But he could sleep through an earth quake (and actually has), whenever we go to hotels we put both boys to sleep then can watch tele in the room. We've had issues in the past with both boys waking for feeds when they didn't need them but they are both pretty good with noise. No idea why? It's a bit different for naps though as DS1 could sleep anywhere with light & noise (as long as he was in his pushchair) but DS2 prefers a nice quiet dark room, though he will fall asleep in the bike seat.

Lady Im glad your feeling better but I bet that cough isn't fun. Have you had anyone look at you rash? You don't think it's something your putting on your tummy? How did the course go, you do work so hard madam, I prescribe a spa break for you.

Oh oh oh oh oh!!!!!! Cross posted JJ how exciting, you dark horse, you. Gosh let me be the first vegetable to congratulate you. I'm really pleased for you.

Wowee, I am just being naughty and reading even though my parents are here, but blimey and congratulations jj, how exciting!!!!

I was just skim reading and so haven't read everyone elses posts properly so will be back tomorrow!

Congrats JJ, that's amazing! Was that a result of one of DH's "accidents" you were mentioning before?! Woo hoo . Do you know how far gone you are? I'm not longer the newbie clacker

avo, that sounds really ropey, you poor thing and poor DD1. In your shoes, and with what's happened before I think I would probably just see how she is in the morning but I'm not doc and if you don't think you would be able to sleep for worrying maybe you could call the out of hours doc?

Oops Avo I forgot to I actually was going to post to you, 40+ is very high. If she follows the same pattern as last time and you are confident keeping an eye on her then don't go in. But make sure she keeps hydrated and if there is any change from what you have seen before take her in. In particular if she becomes very limp. If she is unresponsive get an ambulance. I think as they get older mums get loads more confident at looking after their sick kids. I'm not saying there is no reason for concern and your GP is right to recommend A&E but I think these days they do take a little away from mums and their instincts.

Wowee Jump congratulations, that's exciting news.

And also exciting to hear that Beans has moved and Jolly has the for sale sign up.

Hi Dora, its good to hear you're still with us.

Here's one for all you clackers - my manager is 7 months clackered and this weekend she was ironing in the hot weather, wearing just a vest top and pants and sweating profusely. Her (D)H came home and told her she looked just like a sweaty humpty dumpty . He didn't get any of his clothes ironed after that!

JJ - Yay! I know you mentioned possibly trying but had you started or was this an accident that you are very happy about Congrats and yes when are you due you fertile thing....

Avo oh no - hope you can get that temp down. Poor dd As Vaggie says get in there if it doesn't come down, and just tell them the history.

Yikes, Avo sorry I missed your post - DH as try tepid sponging as well to help bring her temp down.

JJ, how lovely, many congratulations to you and DH. Will this be our first baby of 2011? Spot, I think you are the end of Dec??? I hope I haven't got that wrong.

Avo, all my lot do impressive temps and experience / GP friends have said to watch the child not the temp. Is she responsive, drinking, weeing, or smiling or are we in floppy and listless? If it's temp with some of former I'd leave TBH(as no fits in your family) but I'm a slacker as you know. Hugs to you, hope things are much better.

Rubes, I am so sorry things are rotten. Could I sneak over to see you next week with cake and good cheer? I'd be happy to pop in the motor as you are not far. LadyT, I'd love a Clapham lunch, or am very happy to come to you in the Cots if that's easier.

Kiwi, I know th perils of being hitched to a jobbing hack and it's no fun when they are off. Are you out Wimbledon way? Perhaps we could all get together.

Bit worried no word from MOM. Hope you are lurking and all is well.

Love to everyone else.

Avo I hope your DD1 is doing a bit better. Poor thing. Only thing I would say on a 40+ temp is that the last time I dragged DD to A&E the consultant said that some kids do just get very high temperatures, when DD gets a temperature it's always 40 even for the slightest thing. So I've stopped taking it when she feels hot, and just go on how she is in herself - I think you know when you need to take them in. But sounds like a tough night for you. Other thing I didn't realise is that you don't want their temp to drop quickly - as long as drugs are helping keeping it steady or reducing slightly then that's ok. It's if it carries on going up or as veggie says they get limp etc. Although obviously my history degree qualifies me to offer absolutely no advice of any use (apart from that the discovery of antibiotics was v significant ). And Trace too. Poor little P. I remember my baby brother being like that (strapping 6'3" 31 year old he is now...) he had them in his ear. This too will pass. Thinking of you both.

And JJ . How fantastic. Many congratulations. Those of you worrying about how your DC1 will cope with DC2 my only advice is that they do just get on with it (not that they get any choice) and it's usually better than you fear. Although my attempts at talking to DS about the new baby before DD was born were a bit rubbish. We bought him a baby and a buggy so he would have one too and then set a terrible example by getting home one day to find we'd lost the baby somewhere on route . Hmm I think I might have told you that story before. Is there a rambling woman emoticon?

And Rubes you poor thing. Day sounds awful. Hope you're feeling better.

Daisy DD's first word was 'grandad'. I think she says something a bit like mummy now but can't be sure and probably clutching at straws...

Syb I don't know if forgetting your swimming costume or underwear is worse. I fairly regularly get dressed into my cossie (not least because then it's harder to back out of going swimming) and get out of the pool and get dry to discover I've come out without any underwear. Grim. Veggie am so impressed with your yoga. I'm the proud owner of a wii fit now and am slightly obsessed with it at the moment (although my wii fit age is 47. bastards). The yoga poses made me realise how much I miss going to a regular class.

Kiwi I really feel for you with your DH going away. Must be very hard.

And Mom have been thinking of you too.

I can't remember who was saying about tantrums. DD goes crackers quite regularly at the moment - proper flinging things across the room/lying on the floor banging her fists and feet. I think it's a lot of frustration at not being able to make herself understood (and perhaps a genetic inheritance of not being brilliant when the world isn't going her way ).

Enjoy your meet up Lady T and Katie. I would definitely be up for a Clapham lunch but am only around on Fridays. Boo hiss. Right must go to bed. Night all.

Yay JJ - CONGRATULATIONS!!!! How lovely. When are you due?

Thanks for all the advice re DD1's temp. I think she is just one of those people who runs spectacular temps. We had a hard night. She wet me bed twice and moaned in her sleep. and she insisted on cuddlingbher boiling hot little body right into me which made it hard to keep her cool. Plus I was worried. So basically I got no sleep. This morning she looks terrible with bad conjunctivitis and snot everywhere. Her temp is down a but though. I am off to Paris with work later and am feeling v guilty about leaving her (not to mention exhausted at the idea of travelling). More grist to the career break mill.

Urbane - did you get that job application done? Are you going to leave the public service????

Enjoy your meet up LadyT and Katie (& pubes?).

JJ congratulations!! When's the due date and how soon can we start critiquing your name choices

Sybs / LadyT I'd love a meet up please! I'm going to spend a couple of the weekends DH is away at my in-laws but there's always Mondays? I will be sans DD too so i can play with yours and get cheerful to my hearts content ...

Another awful night tho - wailing after I put her to bed (which is rare) then several points during the night and a proper howlfest at 3.30 - fed her then and she went back to sleep until 5.30. Sigh. I guess there is nopoint reverting to the night feed if it doesn't even keep her awake any longer.. So new plan as of tonight - I was thinking white noise + blinds + utter refusal to acknowledge any wailing before 6am. Does that sound like it might work... Eventually ? How can she know it's 5.30 or 6?? When can you start using those nighttime/daytime clocks does anyone know?

DH and I were going to start attempting to join the clackered club when he gets back but the way we are at the moment we'll just fall asleep then moment the word "bed" is even mentioned...

JJ congratulations!! When's the due date and how soon can we start critiquing your name choices

Sybs / LadyT I'd love a meet up please! I'm going to spend a couple of the weekends DH is away at my in-laws but there's always Mondays? I will be sans DD too so i can play with yours and get cheerful to my hearts content ...

Another awful night tho - wailing after I put her to bed (which is rare) then several points during the night and a proper howlfest at 3.30 - fed her then and she went back to sleep until 5.30. Sigh. I guess there is nopoint reverting to the night feed if it doesn't even keep her awake any longer.. So new plan as of tonight - I was thinking white noise + blinds + utter refusal to acknowledge any wailing before 6am. Does that sound like it might work... Eventually ? How can she know it's 5.30 or 6?? When can you start using those nighttime/daytime clocks does anyone know?

DH and I were going to start attempting to join the clackered club when he gets back but the way we are at the moment we'll just fall asleep then moment the word "bed" is even mentioned...

Keep her asleep i mean. Keep her awake..?? God forbid...

Avo: I had a chat with DH last night about cutting my hours, he thinks it could work too so I need to do my sums and then see. Which is my way of saying look into that career break!

Jj: congratulations! Any idea when you are due?

Rubes: hope you have a better day today.

Ds2 is hanging off the sofa shouting Daddy out of the window. He's suddenly started speaking, we get daddy, juice, cup, max and all sorts but hardly a mummy. Gah.

X-posted with kiwi: sorry you had another bad night. Cold turkey on the feeds may be the way forward. I did actually stop feeding ds2 first thing when he was waking earlier and earlier, it meant some v early breakfasts but I think it was less confusing for him. It did mean no more snuggly morning feeds though .

Sorry about your night Kiwi. I think white noise, blinds and utter refusal to acknowledge her before 6 is the way to go. Be prepared for three rough nights before she gets the message. For the first couple of nights she will think it's worth screaming as it's previously resulted in milk. You just have to stand your ground and be consistent. MrsSleep said it takes 3 nights to change a sleep pattern.

Great news about possibly reducing your hours Effie. What do you want to go down to?

DD1 issobbing uncontrollably because she wants to go to school. Her temp is still a bit high but she seems chipper. It's not fair on the other kids though.

Morning ladies. I'm supposed to be parent supervisor on DS1's school excursion but the weather isn't great so it been cancelled. It would have been a nice morning out but I don't mind too much as Aunt Flo has decided to visit this morning and I'm feeling a bit sore & squidgy. I've decided to lay low and DS2 & I are watching national geographic animal shows.

Effie when do you think you will cut your hours?

Kiwi we had a squealy night here too. It's def not a feed thing though. I manage to get him on to feed (I know it's naughty but on an average night he doesn't wake so anything for peace on the other nights) but he literally takes a suck then he's off again squealing. We gave him Neurofen with his latenight feed which actually held him until 5.30ish. He is in a bit of a mood today so I think it's his big back teeth coming through. I've put some pulsitilla in some water which seems have improved his mood a bit.

Better night here, still tossing and turning and aggravating the shoulder but at least a little more sleep than the night before. Still shattered though, and the heartburn is back after breakfast Will get something for it today.
Sybs, would love to see you but I'm off to Spain next week. What about the end of the month / beginning of July some time?

Also love to see you kiwi - bit sad it will be minus minikiwi as would have loved to see her again but understandable. I think leaving her until 6 is brilliant - I would have done that ages ago (mean mummy) but then I did that with the dummy at 6 months and Avo its right - expect 3 nights of hell, but then voila - a miracle occurs Best to do it while dh away too so you don't end up in divorce

Right the teething melt downs have begun... offto get milk and drugs into the little treasure

Kiwi I'm not sure if this is a good or bad idea but maybe do the three night thing on a tues-thurs night on one of the weeks that you are going to your in
laws for the weekend. Is she fairly familiar with their house. My thinking is, you have those three nights of hell, then the Friday to be sure it's worked then off to the inlaws. Basically however hellish the nights are you know you have a the weekend to recover with the inlaws helping out. I'm not sure what others think I guess it could also backfire because she might be unsettled sleeping somewhere else but if it a fairly familiar house it might be ok. Avo would know best. I think Rubs is right though as tiring as it will be it might be best to do it when it is only disturbing your sleep not you & DH.

V quick post to say CONGRATS to JJ . Hurrah!

avo Such good news that DD feels better this morning.

Back later...

hola ladies
JJ how exciting Congratulations! Does this affect your thoughts on potential house move? So pleased for you - I got a bit excited last week when you mentioned your naughtiness with DH not getting 'suited up' - made me giggle!
kiwi sorry you're aving such a hard time. How is her feeding in the day now? Is she still wanting boobs every hour or so? I know it's not much consolation but P was doing that and having night feeds still a couple of months ago and seemed to lose interest and wean herself off all of her own doing. I did nothing to change things. Maybe babyKiwi will do a similar thing? Really thinking of you.
veggie sounds rough for you too at the mo with poor little ds2's back teeth . Hope they stop causing trouble soon. Shame your trip was cncelled but at least you get to come on mn spend more time at home with ds2 - and he doesn't have to be restrained in his buggy all day!
jb that's exiting about the for sale sign going up - makes it all real! Keep us posted on how the politics progress...
dora great to hear from you again - was starting to get worried!
Avo what a night - and the prospect of travelling must be horrid. Hope you manage to get some rest and that dd1 perks up quickly.
Urbane ha ha I hadn't heard your tale of losing the baby doll! very funny
spot - how's things? Those pesky gulls getting any easier to bear?
beans great to hear your dh came good and your all feeling fab out the new abode. New home, new baby - such amazing times for you
Well P is still very spotty and has had 2 days of being really very poorly and lethargic and hot, but today has perked up, eaten a yoghurt and a weetabix and a banana for breakfast and been playing with me this morning, so we're definitely on the mend now. Some new spots are still coming out though so we're till in solitary confinement, but I can start to think she might be allowed back to nursery next week now She's gone for a nap now so obviously has a lot of resting to do.
I've obviously been spending the time doing constructive things, but I came across a lovely house which DH and I could happily move to - except ours insn't even on the market so we'd never get it, and it's a bit too much money too, but I'll try to put a link on here so you can give me your opinions! It'd add about 15 mins to my commute (currently 25 mins) but it's so pretty!
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Ah flippin' phone just rang and woke P up. Grrr. Now I have to stop MNing she won't get the rest she needs!

Have been away and also not been in the mood for posting lately, but did have to come on and say congratulations JJ, that's fantastic news!!!!

And those worrying about two, yes they have their moments, but on the whole it is really lovely. DD and DS share a room and still virtually never wake each other. Until recently DS even managed to sleep through DD's whole bed time routine (these days he is awake when we go up and DD insists on getting into his cot so they can jump together).

oh property porn love a bit of wishful thinking househunting. That is lovely Trace. Glad to hear she is on the mend, ruddy pox.

JJ super news how exciting.

Kiwi we should start an early morning meet. L awake from 4.30 this morning, grr. He fell asleep in the buggy on the way home from nursery sdo have left him in the garden snoozing.

Veggie sorry for your rubbish night.

W seem to be on teh mend here too. God its been rough. Since that photo on FB his face got twice as worse and twice as swollen. Poor wee man has been in a bit of a pickle. But he seems a bit brighter again today. So hopefully he will be fine for the weekend. When we are having DS's postponed due to his pox b-day party although it will mostly be family as all his little friends are too scared to come in case shmoks is still infectious. But hey ho cant leave it any longer he will be 4 by the time we get round to it.

Right mother has been on the phone all mornign I ahve done northing will be back later.