Sept 08: How do we like our eggs in the morning? Fertilised, or completely and most definitely unfertilised?

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A brand spanking new thread where we can chat about the state of our eggs, SWI, our veg patches and any other topic we fancy

I forgot to mention (I'm going to brag here so sorry in advance) to get to the top of the bouncy slide DD had to climb up a rope ladder. She watched DS then just mastered it straight away. I was super proud

Robyn struggles with slides, I think because she went on a few with her dsis's friends and they were a bit fast. I will try the tummy way and see what happens. she has always crawled backwards down the stairs but recently she wants to go down properly but is too scared so i end up carrying her.

Lolli She loves to play with her bits when her nappy is off, especially as she has a wee. I agree in your care I wouldn't want the mindees playing with their poo but it is a normal thing for many kids to do. as long as you clean their hands afterwards and they don't eat it.

DD climbs up the slide all by herself using her hands and feet, then turns around and slides down!

However, I have only heard this from DH as this is a bit of a sore spot for me at the moment. With the SPD, I am quite unable to do any of this stuff with her, plus she is at child care so much due to my mobility and pain issues that I feel like I am missing out. It's been at least 4 months now that I have been unable to do anything physical with her. I know she should have learned coming down the stairs ages ago, but with me unable to do the stairs myself it simply hasn't happened. Plus I keep thinking about things like learning to walk on the footpath holding my hand, understanding about roads, etc - none of which I can do. It will be harder to catch up once I'm back on my feet as the new baby will complicate things, so I feel a bit crap about it all.

Sorry for the moaning.

DD giggles with delight when we put cream on her bits. But she also giggles when we tickle her feet so I don't see much difference.

She'll soon learn that those areas are special as we wear knickers to cover them up. She doesn't need to get any signals from me that there's anything bad about it.

I cringe at the memory of my mother giving me a bath and getting to the part where she would look away in (what I interpreted as) disgust and tell me to 'now wash down there'.

Oh fanny you soon will have your new baby in your arms and the last few months of your suffering will be forgotten. Your dd will not remember this time and I am sure she is not bothered at all. So try not be too hard on yourself.

We used to call the lady bits "funny bits" when I was growing up .
E can play all he likes but rather not when poo is involved. Urghhh

Ive never really analysed how e goes down a slide. I am quite a let him get on with it person. A few bumps along the way but he is happy and figures it out. I think having an older ds nearly 6 has made me learn. They are toughie boys really. But very polite.

E back at nursey today, me back at work. I am packed, house is clean, dh gone to get curry, wine poured, boys bathed and ready for bed. Spain he we come. Take care guys Ill check in when we return. Waves bye bye xx

Sorry to sound pompous about the book NC, that wasn't my intention.

Have a fab holiday mama

We let ds fiddle, but certainly not when there's poo in the vicinity.

And ladies, lets not call it 'ladies bits', we're talking about a vagina. Come on, say it loud and say it proud. VAGINA

Mind you, I can talk, I used to take a gulp before I said the word vagina

fanny - children are so adaptable and you being immobile for now is her normal at the moment, and then her perception of normal will change again after you've had the baby.

Please don't heap so much guilt on yourself. DS is still a nightmare with stairs, he either bumps down on his bottom (aarrrggh), goes down backwards, or failing that he's thrown himself down a few steps before (double aarrrggh).

I have tried to get him to walk on paths

I have tried to tell him about roads and cars etc

Thanks mama and ILTMIMI. I'm sure you're right. Have a good holiday mama.

ILTMI But it's not a vagina on the outside, it's a vulva. And I can't bring myself to use that as an everyday word even in relation to my own anatomy.

DH and I have had the conversation about what to call things, but we can't resolve the issue at all. I'm in favour of day-to-day use of "boys' bits" and "girls' bits" simply because that's what a kid would realistically use in conversation with others, but to also make sure they know the 'proper' words too: penis, testicles, vulva, vagina. DH point blank refuses saying 'bits' but can't decide what he would call the girls' parts instead! Brick wall!

Ah, yes you're right. So I shall add vulva to the list of words we should be able to say loud and proud.

What do we want? VAGINA'S and VULVA's
When do we want them? NOW

Oh blimey. I've not even had a drink!!

I don't think you can beat willy and fanny . EVERYONE know what they are. I do think it sounds odd when children say vagina and penis, but that's more a reflection on me I think.

Americans don't. They think your fanny is your bum what you sit upon. Agree willy is a good word though. We need a non-snigger female equivalent.

We use willy and vagina. I call breasts boobs though (bad habit! I even called them boobs to my GP the other day!)

My MIL used to call my ds1's willy his "tail"?????!!!! WTF???? I genuinely had no idea what she was talking about! (she doesnt do it anymore btw!)

We say boy bits and girl bits (although sometimes willy. We don't have much call to discuss vaginas in our house since I'm the only person with one and it's very happy not being discussed), through absolutely no thought or planning, it's just what we call them! I'm sure we never particularly referred to them in 'proper' terms growing up, and I don't have any weird repressive feelings about the whole thing, so it can't be all bad news

Good news - DP's not been made redundant! They didn't make anyone redundant in the end, just told them all that basically they need to work harder, stay longer (even if they're finishing their work within their contracted hours), not speak unless spoken to and not to voice their opinions. Although the company is still reserving the right to sack them for not voicing their opinions if anything is wrong with any of the engineering at a later date.
DP's pretty cross with it all, and planning big meetings with his boss next week to sort out the ridiculous accusations that have been made through all this. He got told that someone else was looked on more favourably because he stays 30 mins late every day. The fact that he's doing his internet banking during this time and that DP's work is, by the company's admission, impeccable and completed on time, is apparently not relevant.

hopefully That's good news but it doesn't sound like they've fostered a particulalry positive work envirnoment, does it?

Don't worry ILTMIMI - it was a really useful book a few years ago for me. Now just need an appt with either Mr Patronising Private Expert with the useless secretary, or a random NHS person who agrees to take me on. I'm basically expecting them to say "oh, so you just need more Clomid then? Here you go." With a side order of mumbling, refusing to repeat himself, and telling me to lose weight, if it's MrPPE.

Could try asserting my legal right to an interpreter, but that would probably delay everything. I'll just have to be arsy.

Ds has had a few erections which were very sweet. He's played with his penis a bit but it's not very interesting compared to any container whatsoever.

Hopefully does he feel like he is back at school?

Robyn calls her 'bits' bum bum, she also calls pooh bear bum bum so she is a bit confused by it. I don't think it matters too much what she calls them, she knows where they are, her hand is always down her nappy.
Breasts are 'booboos', her own, mine, daddies and anyone else she can see wearing a bra or breastfeeding.

Elizabeth climbs up ladders too, big ones that go onto climbing frames, rope ladders or normal ladders for DIY (I know this because my glorious Dad left one against our garden fence and she climbed right to the top and I found her peering over the garden fence which must be about 7ft! I took her to Tumble Tots twice, the first week one of the helpers was trying to place DDs feet on the rungs of the ladder for her and I kept saying she wouldn't need any help but the woman didn't believe me as DD was only 17m, the week after DD did the ladder on her own because the helper wasn't paying attention to us, she believed me after that! Unfortunately she is just a climber, she gets in and out of her highchair now, gives me palpitations!

I'm not sure where she is with her speech though, she's saying a lot of words now but doesn't speak in sentences or anything, we've got 'car keys' or 'get down / sit down' (I wonder why!) but I think those are the only things she says that is more than one word. Some words are clear as day (smoothie, strawberry, blueberry, mummy, daddy etc) but I've noticed that on a lot of one syllable words she just says the start of the word so for instance bin would be bi without the n, cat is ca, ball is ba without the ll.

Hopefully - That's great news about DF not getting made redundant, I would say 'congratulations' but that's not quite the right word is it - phew maybe??!

Good news Hopefully, but they've been sneeky little shits about it haven't they? Do you think the whole redundancy thing was just a sham to put the willies up them and get them to feel grateful for a job so they'll get more hours out of them?

I hope you get to see the people you need to NC. It sounds like they're delightful!

Hopefully, ditto, so glad there are no redundancies. With so many cuts everywhere and the bloody crisis, I guess we are all holding our breath a bit.

We use Spanish or Greek names for Diego's willy, (or his dad's, when it gets pointed out in the shower, for example) which are probably the equivalent of willy, a little bit babyish and not as aseptic as penis. We don't need to refer to ladies' bits as much, obviously, but I guess it's be the equivalent of fanny. Is there anything wrong with that per se?

I have to say that any attempt to fondle poo would trigger an unequivocal NO! and frantic waving of wet wipes. I'm probably a bit neurotic.

I have my first appointment with the GP next friday. I keep forgetting not to eat shellfish or cured ham, and having to remind me not to have that extra cup of coffee.

House update: there is no update. The mortgage company have not yet decided if they'll lend us the money, so it's a nerve wrecking waiting game...Argh!

NC hoping you get seen soon.

Mama have a wonder ful time

Starlight In a way she will find it easier being younger then your DS. My DD1 can still remember Ds before the autism 'kicked in' and I am sure that is hard for her to deal with. Robyn has never known him any different and takes him all in her stride

Oh, star it must be so hard. You must feel pulled apart some days. I know I do with my two and neither has SN.

I agree with debs though, he is her brother and she loves him.

x

Yeah she loves him. She follows him around and asks for him all the time, and he.........donks her on the head and makes her cry. I worry that I'm teaching her that abusive relationships are normal!

Oh well. I can only deal with what I have I suppose. It's just that I would really LOVE another one, for her in particular.

Me too star but I know for me it isnt going to happen I am getting broody again - NOT GOOD

And, remember, as she gets older she will duck out of the way when he donks her on the head!!! Toby can be quite physical with ds1 - donking him on the head, pinching and until recently biting - luckily ds1 is that much older so takes it in his stride.

DD is in hospital. DH took her there at 5am after a bad night (and another trip to the after hours doc at 1:30 am). She has a really scary asthmatic wheeze and very laboured breathing, so they have had her on a nebuliser plus chest x-rays.

DH said she's doing really well and tearing around playing with the toys in between nebuliser sessions, so they are not too worried now. She has a shadow on one lung which they say is an infection so are giving anti-bs as well. The main reason they are keeping her in is they are teaching her to use a different type of inhaler system and want to make sure that's established, plus be certain the nebuliser has had the necessary effect.

I, of course, am stuck at home in bed so feel very helpless. But if I had gone too I would have caused more trouble for everyone, and would have needed a hospital bed myself! Plus DH can't push both wheelchair and pushchair. And I would be terrified of going into labour.

Everything feels like such a muddle and I don't know what to focus on. I was desperate to comfort DD in the night and she actually relaxed while sleeping on me at one point, but I was at an awkward angle and in loads of pain from the SPD. I feel quite ill-prepared for a new baby in a week, and I wish we'd asked Mum to arrive earlier. We weren't to know this was going to happen though. My biggest concern is that DH is incredibly sleep-deprived and this is really worrying me.

I think the priority has to be getting DD well, and getting DH some decent sleep over the next few days. The house is still a real jumble as we haven't properly organised things since moving our bedroom downstairs, and haven't 100% organised things for the baby yet. But I think we've got the basics covered and will just have to muddle through and ignore any funny looks from visiting midwives.

DD is very resilient and DH and I agree it's probably harder on us than it is on her. I'm sure it will all look better when we're not so tired.

Then it will just be the small matter of a newborn baby to deal with...