November 09 - rolling, laughing and cutting teeth ... but us mama's are still not getting sleep!!

[scarlotti]

New thread for us

sirboob your mum was really out of order doing that, but i guess you already know that. I would have been fucking furious if anyone had tried that with my baby. my mum does take over with the kids sometimes. generally I dont mind(especially if its cleaning a dirty bum for me!)but I know she would never cross a border like that.

sirboob I agree with what's been said already. The way your mum behaved is outrageous! I hope the weekend itself wasn't too awful - did you end up sleeping in the lounge or kitchen or what? Have you been looking into moving out? It sounds like it's the only option for you and Bryn...and to salvage the relationship with your parents/family.

Poor you, bbl tigger and hobnob - and snow as well! - You all know that we first timers are jaw-droppingly impressed with you all, right? More than one must be SO hard. Hugs to you all.

Well, I don't even have a job right now but nursery have rung and said they can give us Mon, Thu and/or fri so if I can get wed/thu/fri job with gparents looking after on wed it'll be perfect! But of course i don't know wht i'll get - yet if I don't confirm AND pay first months fees to secure NOW...might miss out. Argh! Childcare is a headache, clearly... I am going to visit a local school on Fri with job advertised for 3 days, a part time maths programme, one to one out of class, could be v good so hoping I really want to work there when visit. Luckily close date not til 7 May so have more time to see what else comes up too!

sirboob that sounds like something in a soap opera, how outrageous

day 1 of diet!! starving!! only 6 stone to loose.......

Has anyone read One Day by David Nicholls? I finished it at 3am during the night feed. Ohhh... I am bereft!

Raggie that job sounds great.

sirboob, I have no words for your mum's behaviour. I agree with all the others that moving out will not only be good for you but might also (hopefully) improve the relationship with your mum.

sirB will echo the others. You do know that if that was your dp you'd spoken about people would be telling you he's abusive/controlling and to leave him don't you? I really do think trying to get a place of your own would be the best solution all round. Am more than happy to help you sort it out if you like? Am sure you could get all the wheels in motion without saying anything to your parents if that helps. I think that would help concrete the new roles you and your Mum now have, and allow you the space you need to parent the way you see fit.

Anyone else got really dry hands?! Mine are so dry my fingers are cracking - really sore, and I keep knocking it which just cracks it open again

Ioan seems to be getting hungrier again so going to up the food now. He's already putting away a fair bit for tea (just veg though) and I mash it now rather than puree, so thinking of getting lunch underway this week followed by breakfast next week. He's 3 weeks away from being 6 months so think that is probably about right! Can't wait until he's past the 6 month mark as then he can just eat what we have, but chopped up more obviously!! Today at tea he kept grabbing the spoon from me and pulling it towards his mouth!

Thanks everyone... Oh to have a boring life!!! sighs Scarlotti you're right. That's exactly what people would be saying. I hadn't thought about it that way round before. I might take you up on that - I have tried looking online but can't make heads nor tails of anything. Will have a chat with DP, see what he thinks...

Raggie will keep my fingers crossed for you

Food wise; Bryn is already on two meals a day, of about 3oz each. He is having lunch at about 11ish and then dinner at 5ish. Am still using a blender but not to purée levels, if that makes sense. He appears to have a fondness for apples, but a disliking for parsnip! (I have told him that's tough, I still have six 1oz pots of parsnip and potato in the freezer and he will eat them )

Hello I need some advice ladies!

Today i was sat with pearl on my lap eating a banana she grabbed it with both hands and put it into her mouth and started to suck it, when I tried to take it away she kept grabbing it back and then cried when I did take it away!

I had intended to wait till 6 months to start weaning and follow BLW, but i'm not sure if this means she is ready to start now??

I don't want to rush her if she isn't ready and feel quite apprehensive about starting.But maybe its more that i am not ready and she is??

Its just rather confusing with all this conflicting advice- you no me miss worry head!!

Will read all your posts now

SirB by all means speak to your dp about it ... but this is your decision, and your place we would be talking about (and Bryn's obviously!) I've had a quick look online but don't know enough details for you to get any concrete answers. Have done this myself though when I was your age, and with a baby, so we'll breeze through it all!!
If you like, we could make an appointment at the council and I could come with you. Or if you emailed me your details I could speak to the housing team in the council and get a first rough idea of what's available for you?

misssese how old is Pearl now? BLW says when they're ready they will pick up food and eat it - so pretty much what she's done! I'd say give it a whirl and see what she does. You can always stop it if she's not ready

missese, how old is she now exactly? I think it is not just one day where you are "allowed" to start (I kind of thought that years ago when my sister started "a week too early" )
I guess it is a good sign that she seemed to like it. But then, what would happen to any toy? Paula keeps sucking her rattle and would cry if I took it away.
I think it is more important to follow some basic rules like no sugar or food quality... rather then when exactly to start.

forgot to say scarlotti, I have really dry hands too. Sometimes I put Bepanthen on the really dry spots or, even better Lansinoh. That really helps but during the day it is not very practical as it is very sticky.

5 months yesterday!She puts everything in her mouth and actually spends most of the day with both her hands in her mouth. But she wouldn't cry if I took a toy away, although that isnt something I do often!

uri i keep meaning to say thank you for your info on the no cry sleep book! Got it after you mentioned it ages ago. I really like all the tips and ideas and it makes a lot of sense to me.She isn't the worst sleeper but its good to check your going in the right directions - towards a full nights sleep!

Sir Im so sorry about this weekend I want to give you a big hug! It makes me feel really sad that your mum put you in that situation. I feel like saying you should have called the police as it technically is kid napping! I don't mean to sound hard and I know she didn't mean it and probably if it had come to the crunch she wouldn't have taken him without you! Hope it all gets sorted soon! I'm here if you need any advice!

bbl tigger and hobnob you are all fantastic mothers so never doubt that! Your children love you unconditionally and your an inspiration to all us first timers! I know i struggle with just one!!

missessse she sounds ready to me! if she wants it, she wants it! as ursi said, there is no set day for it, just a rough guideline, each baby is different some are ready earlier than others. DS for example was quite happy to have a bit of chicken stuffed in his mouth by big sister, but just as happy without it, i don't think he is ready. DD on the other hand took a piece of toast at 5 months and was very ready, in fact i think we had just started at this stage. Are you doing BLW or puree or a bit of both? How exciting! if she is ready, go for it and enjoy it.

sirboob . I don't really have anything to add to others' already sensible posts, apart from - you must get your own place. You cannot have someone, your mother or any one else, take your child away from you like that.

scarlotti i have dry skin, really dry skin, but not cracked surface dry, it is going wrinkly , it is all crepey. I try to drink water but don't think i have truly recovered from the sickness and dehydration of pregnancy. It is deeper than any moisturising will cure.

Reuben will not sleep, unless he is his on his front. It has always been his fave position, but now he just refuses. And so far i have not put him on his front unless he is on me. But, its getting tiresome. This lack of sleep business.

big yes to dry hands, lots of cracking and havent found any good creams, think must be all hand and bottle washing??

Yeah, I think it's down to being submerged in water of one form or another

Pav are you not happy for him to sleep on his tummy? I know of a few babies who suddenly started sleeping ok once they could go onto their fronts.

misssese I say go for it too it's fun when you start and get over the initial nerves!

Terrible dry hands here too - cream doesn't work, just takes the edge off it since as soon as I've put it on I need to wash hands/do laundry/dishes/change nappy etc again and it gets washed off! Oh, woe is us, with our poor cracked, dry hands. We need to get ourselves some marigolds Didn't think about the dehydration aspect actually pav but of course makes sense since I never drink enough water and we are using up loads of water in our bodies if we're breastfeeding too. Hmm. Better get on the case.

Laugs I'm just googling that book you mentioned. I just joined Mumsnet's book of the month thing since I have just finished the one they're doing and there's a discussion in a couple of weeks, hopefully with the author. It's Brooklyn by Colm Tóibín. Anyone?

misssese exciting news about Pearl's food-grabbing! In this past week I've given Rosa a dried apple ring to suck on - in the car to keep her happy til the next pit stop, hehee! She seemed to love it but not showing much interest unless I shove it in her mouth i.e. not grabbing etc Can't wait for her to be munching along with us!

I'm off to my aquababes class tomorrow, don't know if I mentioned it but it's brilliant! My friend is going to the official 'waterbabies' one and it costs megabucks but mine is a few quid at the local pool and it's the same! Swimming, songs, going under the water. And the best part is, it's two older ladies who do it, they're like a pair of grannies clucking over the littlies

scarlotti i would be happy to let him sleep on his tummy, as I sleep with half an eye and ear open anyway. But this afternoon he refused to sleep as i tried to lay him down, and as I tried, he went onto his front. he had not even finished rolling there properly and he was fast asleep. he was the most peaceful i have seen him for a long time, head to one side, arms by his head, and his breathing was not wheezing or laboured, no snoring. DH went into a panic. He refused to let him sleep like that as 'who says it is now ok?' and given his breathing issues, DH is worried as we could hear him breathing (ie, he snores atm) so how would we know he is ok? atm i have compromised tonight by putting him on his side. But he really wants to be on his front. DD was never bothered either way, but DS is the thing not to be mentioned is the concern i guess.

raggie oh yes, water consumption improves lots of things...dry skin, bags under the eyes, lines around the face, that horrid feeling of tiredness is reduced by large amounts of water consumption, but remember to dilate with some weak squash or juice in the hot weather or else excess water consumption dilutes the salt content and can make you feel crap.

Pav does Reuben have a dummy? that could be the compromise with your dh as that also reduces the risk. Keeps the air flowing around the mouth and nose as it lies between the face and matress.
Sounds like once he's cracked rolling he'll be deciding it for himself anyway!
Or you could always get one of those monitors which monitors breathing too and goes under the sheet..?

no he won't take a dummy. Or rather, he takes it as and when he pleases. He likes to play with it and mostly laughs. But the other day, for the first time ever, DH gave it to him and he fell asleep instantly with it, but, not to be repeated!

His airways just sound so restricted when he breathes on his back, like now (even though mostly to the side), and it sounds like he will wake any moment. when on his front, there is none of that.

But you are right, in a few weeks, it will be his own choice. the monitors are really expensive. But I will talk to gp. I have heard they are loaned out from hospitals on medical advice.

Thanks guys!
Highchair arrives this week bought a BRIO bit like a tripp trapp but has a tray! Will see what she is like the rest of the week if she takes it to her mouth i'm going to go with the flow!

pav our guideline (at the nursery i work in) are if you put them on their backs and they turn themselves onto their tummies to sleep then its fine to leave them to sleep like that! We are super strict when it comes to sleep routines and thats what the big wigs in head office have advised us to follow!

raggie we go to splashbabies! Pearl loved it (only been to the first class) she has been under water!! But it is rather expensive £50 for 5 lessons!! Also I have to wear a swimming hat . I also wear my pre pregnancy bikini so am a delightful sight. Thankful its at a women's only gym!!!!

SB that's really tough. Is it a kind of 'while you're under my roof' mentality? Talk about bees in bonnets... She hasn't come to terms with your age and independence at all . Go with Scarlotti and try to sort things out. You'll be a new woman! I really hope your guys can work something out.

My day improved greatly with naps and an afternoon of messages around the village. One of the upsides of having a 3 year old (pointless questions and constant whining apart) is that they have legs long enough to ride a bike and so you can walk at a semi decent pace for the first time in seeming years. The sense of achievement gained by making it all the way up a long hill more or less unaided did a lot for the tempo of the day. And Isla tolerated cbeebies whilst I cooked tea and has stayed down so I got to pilates. All is forgiven

pav Isla won't sleep on her back any more. I'm not complaining - DD1 always slept on her tummy once she worked out how to, so I put Isla down on her tummy all the time now. She can roll onto her back if she really wants to, but not the other way around.

Raggie that job sounds perfect. Good luck. Childcare is a constant headache. We still haven't secured any and are having to work out sums based on the what-ifs of any manner of possible combinations of days/childminder/nursery/DDs.

Got the BLW book today. Quite brave to follow it through, but so easy if you do. Time to get Isla's bit of the handysitt attached.

Night all xx

...and she always sleeps with her head to the side so I'm happy with that (fingers in mouth)

Have been thinking I might take Ioan to a swimming class now I've got my 3 day week sorted. Is splashbabies nationwide? Would love to do one but can't really spend a fortune on it.

hobnob so glad your day improved