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October 2009 babies - Waving arms and gummy smiles make the sleepless nights worthwhile.

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HumphreysCorner · 18/11/2009 21:41

Here we are on the other side-finally. Well done ladies!

On 2nd lot of AB's and they are suitable for BF so no expressing needed.

HC
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peachespaige · 09/01/2010 08:46

Morning all.
Thanks for your kind words.
fidelma I went sledging with my boys yesterday and had ago myself, how I missed the trees Ill never know!!

Fred went from 10 until 1 then fed every hour. He's 12 weeks today.
Im knackered.

hc We had Fredrick Baptised last Sunday, he looked so cute. I found an outfit from H&M, long sleeved cream vest with a collor and buttons and a little breast pocket with some grey/green velvet trousers and a grey/green velvet bow tie....

princessmel · 09/01/2010 10:33

Hi all
Haven't read all the posts, sorry I haven't posted for ages.

Ruby I feed to sleep, most times. Othertimes he nods off in the sling or while I'm walking round with him across my arm or in the car or pram.
Please don't worry about it. As dd gets older you can try some other sleep training methods. I did cc with dd at this age and felt terrible but I was at the stage of NEEDING to do it. ds1 was only 2 then and things were different. Now ds2 just feeds and sleeps on me as much as he is able. During the day he seems to feed all throughout his sleep, latching on and taking sucks on and off the whole time.
when he is awake he goes under his gym/mobile or in his seat for little periods of time.
At night I feed him for a few hours then put him down zonked. 2 nights ago he slept from 9pm till 5am then last night he slept from 9pm till 2am then woke at 5am and then 7.

He looked like he was going to suck his thumb but hasn't worked out how to do it 100% effectivly yet. Maybe he wont, maybe he will. It certainly doesnt stop him crying yet when he needs me and I'm busy.

I think he has developed colic too. He is 12 weeks today and this has been going on since about 7 weeks. He screams at his bedtime feed and this goes on for up to an hour. Not as bad as other babies I know. He then needs a lot of calming and burping before he can feed properly and sleep. We are using infacol.

Oh good news ...yesterday I bought a P+T!! I felt a mixture of excitement and sickness!!! Spending that much £££££ is alien to me but with this snow my pram is totally rubbish. Walking to school through the park is very hard going.
It's coming soon

sos for bad typing, Freddie is sleeping/feeding as I MN.

Will catch up with other people now.

devilsadvocaat · 09/01/2010 15:19

PM - you've just described my ife with charlie exactly! good, reassuring

princessmel · 09/01/2010 21:04

DA

Igglybuff · 10/01/2010 04:57

fidelma that sounds like so much fun! In fact reading your posts about hens, sheep etc makes me as sounds much nicer than London!

For those hitting the 12 week spurt, I feel your pain. Fingers crossed William is over his - I've had 10 nights of two hourly feeding but tonight/last night it's gone down to 3/4 hourly. Light at the end of the tunnel. Ages ago I mentioned a boom about developmental leaps - 12 weeks is when our babies learn how to grab things, love to look at faces (as opposed to abstract contrasting things), develop tone/pitch in their voice etc. As it's 5am and William is attached to me I'm not able to dig out the book and check the rest.
peaches I love the sound of F's outfit! William got some h&m bits for Xmas and they've got great stuff so might check it out myself when I finally go out shopping again!

littlepea72 · 10/01/2010 06:53

Hey everyone. Not been on much as Faith is being a total nightmare. All off a sudden she wont be left to sit in her chair, just wants held, this is at night also. Going slightly mad!

Snow is about 2 feet deep here, and i have to walk DS to school, dont think my wheels are going to stay on the pram for much longer. I have a carrier, but not sure what to put on her, wouldnt it be to cold? What does everyone put on their little ones?

I would love chickens etc also! Nearest i get is on farmville on facebook lol i love it!

Faith is teething away, 2 almost breaking through now. She is on the paracetamol every night as she screams and we cant get her settled, to much pain for such a wee one. Dribbling & pooing nappies also.

Fidelma you made me laugh so much!

rubyslippers · 10/01/2010 09:53

hi all

littlepea - sounds so tough ... they do go through clingy phases

iggly - fingers crossed you are out of the growth spurt soon

princess - colic sounds awful - are you finding the infacol working?

fidelma - i was at your post ... we have a big hill near us and i woudl love to go sledging but knowing my luck i would break a leg

calypso - ruby doesn't do naps - well 30 mins at the moment ... she seems fairly happy though on a small amount of sleep. Am praying when she is more active she will sleep more

We ventured out yesterday - Ruby was layered up in a babygro, vest, snow suit, hat and 2 blankets. When i take her out in the sling i do the same, but no blankets as my body heat keeps her warm

we have had some bad nights - last night was the best for a while - asleep for 9 pm, up at 1 am and 4 am up for the day at 7.30 am.

hope everyone is ok - we are hopefully going away for a few days next week (oop north to my parents) and i hope we can manage it

take care everyone

xx

rubyslippers · 10/01/2010 15:16

a friend sent me this - thought it was very funny:

OK, here's my situation. My mummy has had me for almost 5 months. The first few months were great - I cried, she picked me up and fed me, anytime, day or night. Then something happened.

Over the last few weeks, she has been trying to STTN (sleep through the night). At first, I thought it was just a phase, but it is only getting worse. I've talked to other babies, and it seems like it's pretty common after mummies have had us for around 6 months.

Here's the thing: these mummies don't really need to sleep. It's just a habit. Many of them have had some 30 years to sleep - they just don't need it anymore. So I am implementing a plan. I call it the Crybaby Shuffle.

It goes like this:

Night 1 - cry every 3 hours until you get fed. I know, it's hard. It's hard to see your mummy upset over your crying. Just keep reminding yourself, it's for her own good.

Night 2 - cry every 2 hours until you get fed.

Night 3 - every hour.

Most mummies will start to respond more quickly after about 3 nights. Some mummies are more alert, and may resist the change longer. These mummies may stand in your doorway for hours, shhhh-ing. Don't give in. I cannot stress this enough:
CONSISTENCY IS KEY!!

If you let her STTN (sleep through the night), just once, she will expect it every night. I KNOW IT'S HARD! But she really does not need the sleep, she is just resisting the change.

If you have an especially alert mummy, you can stop crying for about 10 minutes, just long enough for her to go back to bed and start to fall asleep. Then cry again. It WILL eventually work. My mummy once stayed awake for 10 hours straight, so I know she can do it.

Last night, I cried every hour. You just have to decide to stick to it and just go for it.
BE CONSISTENT!

I cried for any reason I could come up with. My sleep sack tickled my foot. I felt a wrinkle under the sheet. My mobile made a shadow on the wall. I burped, and it tasted like pears. I hadn't eaten pears since lunch, what's up with that? The cat said "meow". I should know. My mummy reminds me of this about 20 times a day. LOL. Once I cried just because I liked how it sounded when it echoed on the monitor in the other room. Too hot, too cold, just right - doesn't matter! Keep crying!!

It took a while, but it worked. She fed me at 4am. Tomorrow night, my goal is 3:30am. You need to slowly shorten the interval between feedings in order to reset your mummies' internal clocks.

P.S. Don't let those rubber things fool you, no matter how long you suck on them, no milk will come out. Trust me.

devilsadvocaat · 10/01/2010 15:57

lol

twinklegreen · 10/01/2010 17:44
Grin
HumphreysCorner · 10/01/2010 19:24

So true

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littlepea72 · 11/01/2010 04:43

Thanks for that Ruby

rubyslippers · 11/01/2010 08:20

glad you liked it ...

Ruby is stuck waking at 1 ish and 4 ish

i have given up on sleeping

i feel so blinking tired

she is 13 weeks and was hoping for a bit better than this

am also not loving the breastfeeding - DH tried to give her a bottle of EBM twice over the weekend and she howled

am feeling a bit

sorry for the me, me, me post but am feeling very down

devilsadvocaat · 11/01/2010 09:30

charlie is also waking at 1 and 4 (i swear he reads these posts whilst feeding and follows suit). also last night ds1 woke at 5 and 6 so not a lot of sleep here.

ruby - i posted this earlier on the thread don't know if you saw it:

ruby - he is so drbbly and it did cross my mind but i keep dismissing it as ds1 didn't get teeth til nearly 11 months. have seen ur thread re feeding. it is sooo hard. ds1 was exactly like ruby. in the end i caved and started giving a bot of ff before bedtime to stop the cluster feeding. tbh it did work and made me a lot happier. i bfed him til 8mo with just the one bot each night. i'm not saying this is what you should do but just that it's ok if you are thinking about it. i really want to make it 6mo exbf this time, but honestly feeding ds2 is easier than ds1. also please know that the daytime napping and other behaviours you describe in your thread sounds fairly typical. i think ruby is a few weeks younger than c and i have noticed a big difference in him from before xmas to now. maybe just try another few weeks and see how you're getting on then.

hope things get better soon x

rubyslippers · 11/01/2010 09:53

thank you devils - i didn't see that post so thanks for doing that

i would give her a bottle more frequently but she is not a fan!

I want to do the exclusive breastfeeding thing as well as i still have huge regrets over not feeding DS

however, if she could stop the cluster feeding i would feel a lot better

i will see how the next few weeks go until she hits 16 weeks and then see ...

i thought over xmas/new year we had turned a corner as she was sleeping 5 - 7 hours at a stretch

sorry to hear you haven't had much sleep either - how do you manage?

devilsadvocaat · 11/01/2010 10:29

oh i don't know! i don't i guess just try to take each day as it comes

i drink a few cups of coffee in the morning too.

also, never ever think you have taken a step forward as they'll swap back to whatever was going on before

charlie sleeps 8-1 1.30-5 at the mo. am considering the dream feed now as it was giving me 11-4 4-7 which was more manageable as only one feed is during my sleep. could you try that?

cluster feeding is AWFUL. she'll go back to her 5-7 hours stretch, it's just sitting feeding it out until she gets there.

is you dp/dh about in the evenings? can he rock/sling her to give you a break? even for 10 mins every hour of cluster feeding?

also i would make a nice big snack in the evenings, something really tasty and filling to give you energy.

another thing is that dh gets up with ds1 in the mornings so i get an extra bit in bed with charlie.

rubyslippers · 11/01/2010 10:40

i haven't thought about a dream feed mainly because i am so tired and fed up of feeding I just want to rest/sleep when she finally does conk out

DH is good - he will rock her/cuddle etc and he does get up with DS in the mornings when he can so i can get some more sleep

she feeds on and off and then has a mega feed before she finally passed out

i know it is a phase but it feels endless

thanks for the moral support - much appreciated

HumphreysCorner · 11/01/2010 12:54

Ha, Matthew must have heard me read that story to DH last night as he woke at 2-15am instead of 3-15am. Is it going to be 1-15am tonight then?

Saw my friend today who said her DD2 was sleeping through by now especially with the 11pm dream feed. I haven't started it as I, like ruby am so desperate for some sleep that I put M in his crib when we go up to bed and hope that he doesn't wake up so I can crash.

Hope all OK.

HC
x

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lal123 · 11/01/2010 13:44

afternoon all - sorry I haven't been on much - life here is pretty similar to most of yours!! Snow, sleepless nights,immunisations, all made better when she smiles or laughs.

Had a tough night last night - Maia was really restless, shaking her wee head side to side and pulling her legs up - was thinking maybe an ear infection? - though she doesn't have a temp and has virtually slept through since 9am this morning.

Is it just me or is anyone else getting fed up with bfing now? Its much easier than it was to start with - but now its just BORING!!!

Anyway - good news here is that DP has got a new job newer to home which he starts in March - at the minute if traffic is bad it can take him 2 hours to get home - from March he'll be able to take his bike and the kids will get to see more of him - hurray.

Soon be time to drop Maia off at MILs to let me pick up DD1 and then go to library in peace - how did I ever have time to work????

twinklegreen · 11/01/2010 22:11

Amelie has just taken a bottle of EBM!

Have tried it a few times already and she was having none of it, but now she has just taken it with absolutely no fuss... so pleased!

twinklegreen · 11/01/2010 22:15

she is now fast asleep in bed... might just have a glass of wine to celebrate

twinklegreen · 11/01/2010 22:16

good to see you again lal123

devilsadvocaat · 12/01/2010 09:54
princessmel · 12/01/2010 12:13

Can I join in with the pom poms!!?

F went to sleep all by himself last night!!! I'd fed him and took him up to bed, but as I laid him down he opened his eyes. So I left him, thinking he was going to cry and need picking up any second..but he didn't!!! He'd gone to sleep!
But then he had a coughing fit and woke himsself. I left him again, no tears, and he went back off again

It may not happen again for a while...but at least he's done it once

littlepea72 · 12/01/2010 13:07

Hey everyone!

Just been to see the new HV, got Faith weighed after leaving it for 5 weeks, she is now 16lb 12!!! She is a big budda. Thought the HV would complain about it as she is only 13 wks, but she didnt. All she wanted to know was when i fed her, she says that i should do it every 4 hours not every 5, but im not going to feed her until she wants fed. Also she asked what the feeds at night were, she is now back to 7-1-5 & 8am, but she asked why i wasnt giving the last at 12 instead of 7pm.....not sure what that would change? I had to give an extra feed the other night but she still woke up at her times.

Well done Freddie!!!

Glad to see you back lal...

Twinklegreen great news for the bottle feeding

Ruby,i really do hope things get better for you