May '09 Fine and DANDY vive la difference! 3 months on and our babies and lives are changing.

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Well Dandy!!!!!!! Just for you after an annoying night

Sometimes the locking away in toilet is accompanied by banging my head against the wall too. I'm considering soundproofing the toilet so I can have a good scream as well

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I'm on the Verveine tisane as well, can't blame the caffeine

x-post running. Sorry to hear about A's referal. But don't get too worried about it. Seeing that A is rolling over, she's clearly a healthy, happy baby. Maybe she's now putting all the engergy she's getting from her feeding into her rolling sessions. And from what you said it doesnt sound like she's not gaining any weight, just less than expected. From where I stand (sit), she's doing great

running how much does she weigh now? Poor you, please don't feel like a failure . She looks bonny and a decent size on the photos. And she can roll over, she and S are the same age and S can't roll over (but I think she's a lazy moo TBH)

Sod it, a massive hug for you.

Belgian my mum is coming next week for a week and casually tossed into the conversation that she'll be coming out every month. Still plenty of hiding places here (and lots of doors I can lock )

Sausage I think dh took my kitchen shears into the garden

Oh grumpy I'd be running to my toilet screaming if my mum were to announce such news. I quite like having the channel between her and me .

With all that chat about linnen cupboards etc I need to share the suffering I am undergoing at the moment with my kitchen. I'm sure plenty of you (grumpy?) will understand. Well, there are these 4 hooks to hang mugs/cups on. I lovingly assigned my 4 best mugs to hang on said hooks in a lovely alternating colour pattern. DH keeps 1) taking mugs off the hooks at random (e.g. no 1 and 3) 2) not hanging them back in the right place and 3) once even hung ds' spinderman cup on one of those hooks . And don't get me started on the glasses...

running I do hope you're feeling better.

That's spiderman, not spinderman. Not sure who spinderman is tbh

Right A is finally asleep so can get back to MN.

Thanks belgian and grumps she is gaining just not enough apparently. She is 11lb 4oz now was 9lb 7 at birth and lost 9% in the first week. so has crossed 3 percentiles on the old charts my HV team are still using. Its 2 on the new graphs although they aren't using those yet but I think that would still be a 'cause for concern' anyway. I just feel pants tbh as I feel like all I do is feed her and keep getting comments from people about how regularly she feeds and how little she sleeps. You are both right though, she is generally smiley and happy (except when I'm trying to get her to sleep on her own ), hitting milestones and is really active when awake (and her Dad is a skinny b*gger too). I'm going to use the appointment to talk about how I feel too as I do feel like rubbish

Sorry, don't want to bring down the mood.

I dream of having the channel between me and my mother.

Nightmare day today. DS was supposed to start swimming lessons today but fell asleep in the car on the way there. I woke him up but he burst into tears the prospect of swimming on his own so I decided to leave it a while. I strongly suspect nothing would have induced him to get into the pool on his own without me just yet. He isn't yet 3 so I think he has plenty of time.

By the time we got back from our pointless drive both boys were exhausted and crying. Luckily they are both now asleep but I can't be bothered to do anything at all.

It's so humid here. Hardly any sun though. I think we may be in for a storm.

running you are only 2 hours from me. I wonder if there is somewhere half way that we could meet up and have a chat if you like?

Aw running try not to stress, but I know that that's easier said than done. I have - and still do - feel like a massive failure for stopping breastfeeding, but M is now a reetbobbydazzler () and has crept back up again on the centiles, after having slid down nearly 2, and is rolling over but not rolling back and making herself cross all the time. Not that I'm saying you should FF in the slightest, but its working for me.... you just need to do whatever makes you happy and what makes A happy. Hope you can manage to talk to your GP about it, I'm sure everything will be absolutely fine.(I've seen babies in my clinic that have gone down some centile lines and can't think of one where anything sinister has been going on at ALL. Sometimes it can be due to a cold, different feeding regimes, different scales being used, or when someone who can't 'plot' the weight on the chart correctly.) Saying that, I still felt crap when M wasn't gaining as much weight as I thought she should have. And also you too.... I felt better after talking about feeling poo to my GP and he was lovely, didn't tsk tsk at all. Chin up. Let us know how it goes. Big squishy hug! (2 fingers up to MN for being non MNy!)

Btw - NEWSFLASH - MIL gone! WOOOOOOOH! Thank F for that!

Blimey its hot. Just hung out wash number one, nice white sheets whooshing about in the breeze. Anyone else (Grumpy? Belgian?) actually as bad as me and have to actually hang stuff out in a certain way? Oh and Belgian - completely understand about the mugs. I bought a nice mug tree from John Lewis to hang out our lovely set of moomin mugs... I will be VERY pissed off if they were fiddled with!

Guess WHAT! I'm going shopping on Saturday! With no M! In LONDON! And I'm going to have WINE! At LUNCHTIME! Tis with my Mum, but STILL. Am all giddy with excitement. (btw, not leaving M in the boot of car or anything, dp is going to look after her. Poor thing. )

llare thanks that is a really nice idea. Lets fb message and see if we can find somewhere to meet.

Yes, lets do that!

weight after being terribly preoccupied about it with DS1 and being stressed to high heaven, I decided not to bother with scales for DS2. My HV agreed, and DS2 was weighed for the first week, then 6 weeks, then at around 15ish weeks. He won't be weighed again unless I identify some concerns or until his 9 month check. So long as I see plenty of dirty nappies, smiles, him outgrowing his clothes and the little rolls of fat, I shall carry on as I am and not worry about it. It is very liberating, I can tell you.

runningmonkey, don't despair. I echo what the others have said. also, my dd1 had 'fallen off' the charts but was still happy, healthy, reached milestones and has now caught up in weight (and then some! she's a good eater). please don't think you're not a good mum because it's just not true.

the sun has been and gone here. we didn't get out this morning because of the rain and I thought we'd be able to go to the park this afternoon but the newly discovered sun has gone away again so our picnic may be in the lounge. again.

sausagen, shopping, wine at lunchtime sounds divine!

grumpy, could you put your mum to work ?

Thanks for all your kind words. TBH I wish I'd never got her weighed today!

saus your day in London sounds fab

running as the others have said, if they're happy, weeing, pooing and meeting milestones there's unlikely to be anything wrong. I know it feels bad though. Last time H was weighed he'd slipped from 50th centile to below the 25th, and although the HV wasn't concerned I couldn't help feeling a bit bad about it at the time. All you can do is keep offering but if she won't drink, she won't drink. I think llare's strategy is a good one.

grumpy yes H loves his jumperoo - but he has to have an audience to perform to or he just sits there.

baby songs I keep making up very silly ones. Very A favourite is
A-rum, a-rum, a-rumpety pum
I fill with lovely milk my tum
Then I fill my nappy too
Full of brightest yellow poo

H got hold of my banana today and shoved it in his mouth. I broke a big chunk off and gave it to him to play with but he's not able to pick it up and get it to his mouth yet. There are now bits of banana allover both of our clothes... I am beginning to realise how messy this weaning business is going to be

Hear, hear llare. There's just too much emphasis on weight gain/loss and mostly it results in mums stressing and feeling inadequate, while the babies are generally fine, just small. Saying that though, I will go to baby clinic tomorow partly to get C weighed and partly to check it out and introduce myself to the HV's.

sausage Hurrah for the leaving MIL and yes. I do the same with my washing. It hangs by type + size. It also matters which way up it goes, which is why I refuse to let my mum do it when she comes. It would just bug me if she did it wrong and if I change it she would take it to heart and get upset

reebee, meant to say love the pics of F as well.

about meeting in York, can't do this friday or next week - DH has taken holiday and we're hoping to get things done. we'll try the week after that perhaps?

Spangle a word of warning re bananas - you need to wash it out before it dries. I found out the hard way no amount of washing gets banana stains out of clothes!! Sounds like fun though.

Running sorry to hear you're feeling down and A's weight isn't great. I echo what everyone else says about milestones etc. I've just had ds2 weighed and he's lost 2oz (mum almost choked when I told her it was 2lb oops!) I'm hoping its cos he's been sick quite abit over the past few weeks. I too wish I hadn't taken him today - but hey ho!

Sausage I have to hang mine and dh's clothes on one side of the washing line post and the ds's and underwear on the other side. My clothes pegs have to be matching on each item of clothes. I get very twitchy if there are only mismatched ones left! {blush}
Anyhow I need to go and do the dishes before ds1 gets home...

Spangle STEP AWAY from the banana! It is the worst stuff in the world for babies as it is a BUGGER to get out of clothes and no method of washing known to man seems to work. Oh and banana poo is like nothing else I have ever seen...

stains Banana oh yes. Bugger to get out and pear too wouldn't you know!

And yes you'll enjoy the banana poo. Dd2 must have eaten something the other day (from the floor?) coz I found it in her nappy.

Banana debris safely removed - thanks for the warning! Must factor in stain removal along with nutritional value when planning meals for H

H is just starting to show interest in (me) eating. He's not seemed bothered before, but today, as well as the banana incident, he was fascinated with watching me eat toast and was even holding his arms out towards the toast. I gave him one of his cloth books which he enjoyed trying to shove into his mouth and it seemed to fool him I think he's going to have a lot of fun when he can have real food to play with.

It's going to be really messy, isn't it??

Running Oh! Don't fret, you just nudged me along the direction I was heading in anyway

Regarding A's weight, HONESTLY tell your HV you don't want her weighed anymore. this post was one I wrote when E was 8 months old, she was teeny tiny and we had such a time between the HV, GP and hospital. She fed well (and I had a midwife from the children's hospital back me up on this) but she was just tiny - some kids are! She went through all manner of horribly invasive tests, the Doctors had us terrified that she had cystic fibrosis and it ended up that she was fine, just small. You've seen photos of her so you'll see she's absolutely made up for it since. Alys will do things in her own time - her development is a better indicator of how she's doing than her weight.

I am a bad Mummy. I dyed Erica's hair pink yesterday and took her to nursery, the nursery manager asked her if she wanted the phone number for Childline

spangle I used a Hippychick version of this