June09: the one where we learn to type with one finger

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Hi all and welcome to our first post-natal thread! Nappy's, colic and burping OH MY!

Come join the conversation as our baby's grow and grow.

Hey ladies miss you all and would love a chat but can never get on here these days as Aaliyah only wants to feed and cry between 8-11pm just when I am dying for some "me" time any tips to get her to sleep and let me have some peace?? otherwise all good she has grown 6cms since birth and weighs 2 pounds more (in fact she weighs what DS did at 12 weeks ) hope you are all well, will try and have a quick read before the next feed

Had a very quick skim but want to comment more than I can now so will have to do that tomorrow, DC permitting.

Re bleeding - I certainly get more when I do more and books I have checked back that up, increased bleeding means you need to slow down a bit.

DH and I took both DCs to soft play this afternoon, I went round with DS once and managed to hurt my wrist and my back obviously not quite ready to climb, jump and slide yet

Right bed for me, what's the betting Aaliyah wakes up for her feed as soon as I lie down??

oh my goodness one of my nct group friends has swine flu!

She and her little boy were meant to come over yesterday afternoon to see Eleri (she's 25 weeks pg) but called to cancel at the last minute. She said she wasn't feeling great and thought it better not to visit a newborn if possibly carrying germs. This morning she's emailed to say it's swine flu. I know it's not a horrendous version of flu but I'm really glad my little baby and toddler haven't been exposed.

Need some advice from mummies of older children please. Megan has been a nightmare overnight. Awake since 4.30 messing about and playing with teddies in her cot bed(she's just turned 20months). Not too much of a problem as she can entertain herself. the problem is her new ability to fully undress and remove her sleeping bag thing. Went in to her at 7am (when finished marathon bf sess) to find her completely naked - no nappy or anything

She was delighted with herself until she saw my face. Luckily she hadn't wee'd in the cot (no idea how long she'd been like that). do you think we should go ahead and try toliet training? It seems like she now associates nappies with babies and doesn't want to wear them anymore

Right must try and get some sleep. M is at nursery, E is asleep and I've been awake most of the bloody night I think

Hope no-one minds me joining this thread. DD2 (aka Poppy) born on 23rd June, now 2 and a half weeks. DD1 is 19 months and I thought I'd be able to handle things second time round but turns out I was wrong . Been reading everyones stories, hopefully get used to names in time. Congrats to everyone on their arrivals. to those actually getting sleep at the moment & sympathy & understanding to those who aren't.

First week was ok, Poppy pretty much slept most of time & when she did wake in night I'd settle her in bed with me then but her in moses basket when she was asleep. She was struggling to poo & mw told me to change her formula (she's ff) from SMA. So now on Aptamil and the poos are free flowing!!!

We've since tried getting her to sleep in her cot as when dh goes back to work in a week he leaves the house at 4.30am & will only disturb her. However, seems that poppet has different ideas. Has generally been screaming between the hours of 7pm and 11pm. We've tried everything and although she settles in our arms, the second we put her back in her cot (even if shes fast asleep) she wakes up screaming again. The annoying thing is quite often in the day we can put her down in her cot for a nap and she'll settle herself fine is this colic????

We thought we'd found the solution yesterday by swaddling her. Stopped the constant arm & leg swinging that seemed to keep her awake. Put her down at 7pm after her bath and she got herself off the sleep. Just as we were congratulating ourselves on solving our babys sleeping problems, she wakes up at 8.30pm. Give her a feed and then was even worse than she has been, crying til 1am!!!!!!!! I was in tears, dh was pacing the house. Ended up putting her back in bed with us and even then she slept fitfully until 5am when I gave her a feed & put her in her cot. Then she fell asleep fine & has gone down for her morning nap fine as well. I am utterley at a loss for what is causing these problems . Worst thing is she keeps waking up dd1 which only adds to the tension.

Sorry for the essay just needed to get it all off my chest . Hopefully be able to post on a more cheery note soon.

hollybobs welcome to the thread!

kinda have the same problem here, the health visitor said it was wind that was unsettling her in the first place (or wakes her up when shes sleeping) and explained that she settles in our arms because it is warm and she is "contained" like in the womb, put her in her cot and it's cold there and shes not contained anymore hence the waking up.

We've been holding her face down on our arm )head towards the elbow) hand on herbelly presing gently that seems to have helped a bit.

so we swaddle her, cuddle her for a while so the swaddling material has our and her body heat and she is still warm in her basket, then put her in the basket.
Then in the basket we roll up two little cotton blankets and put them on each side of her so she is still "contained", with a third cotton blanket on top of her right up to her waist, tucked on each side so nothing moves up or down or sideways. (like this
The HV also put her hand firmly on her belly and rocked her slightly for a while to settle her if she was waking up while we were setting everything up, and a hand on her head as this is cold too when it was warm in your arms.
she suggested putting a little teddy bear at the top of the basket just touching her head so she would keep warm, we haven't done that.

I dont put her arms in the swaddle because she likes having her arms up near her head whens he is sleeping and she sometimes sucks her fist/fingers.

We have also used a pacifier at times as the midwife said she likes to suck and it helps with windy babies sometimes. That or you can put your little finger in, nail very short and down towards the tongue) so she can suck on it a little.

This takes time and you might have to go back to the basket 5 times to rock her gently with your hand on the belly and the other hand on the head or put the pacifier back if he'll have it but it has worked a few times for us.

hope this works for you.

time to feed..(our lo is also ff)

Hi just a really quick post and run

Hi to Holl and welcome back apple

June your HV seems to be giving slightly worrying advice about "keeping the baby warm" The FSID (foundation for Sudden Infant Death) recommends not letting them get too hot and keeping their head uncovered. I think her toy advice is particularly dangerous incase it fals onto their face and smoothers.

We bought a grobag swaddle which in this heat (it's still 23 degrees in our bedroom overnight) is def recomended to be used without any further covers. Personally I beleive it's not the heat that babies like but the closeness (heatbeat etc) that they find reassuring. Sorry this is all negative . We do have a similar problem but it is the reverse. Annabelle goes down like a dream in her moses basket at night but refuses to be away from e during the day (cue lots of baby wearing) she will fall asleep in her car seat but again that's not recommended for long periods due to cot death! I was in tears 3 times yesterday as she was i agony with colic (crying even when she was on the breast, It was heart breaking and on top of that the elder 2 dd's were awful, deliberately disobeidient etc.. ended up phoning dh at 1550 saying please come home and quickly.... she didn't settle until 9pm but then woe only once for a feed in the night!

We do the arm rubbing and (very silly) take her outside intermitanntly as the change in air temp calms her down for a few mins at least

Just keep teling yourself this wil be short lived it does get better [repeat in endless mumble to self! )

Hi Juners!!

Hollybobs, welcome!!! Sorry to hear your LO is not sleeping well these days... I'm a first timer but I think June might be right... it could be wind. Let us know if you try these things out and how they go. Poor your DH having to go to work at 4.30!

June, we do exactly the same thing with Mila. Blanket on both sides so as to make her feel "close" to someone. We also use a dummy sometimes when she wants to use me as one my nipples have had enough rough times so the dummy helps wonderfully.

Silk, no advice here, obviously, as no experience whatsoever I'm sure other Juners will come to the rescue with loads of advice. Sorry to hear about your friend, hope she recovers soon!

Bunny, Kari me slings are great... I'm tipying this post now wearing it you can have a look on www.kari-me.com. Yay on you wanting to give BF another go. It's been a real challenge for me too, I wonder if one day I'll be able to just show her the boob and she'll do the rest One can only hope Let us know how it goes, sweetie!

oops feed alert!!

back later!!

Hi all!

Naat we have now inclined Leo's cot -- thanks for that! seems sensible as we keep him upright after feeding anyway

We're starting him on baby antacid tonight (Ranitidine) so hopefully this will calm him down and stop him clearing his throat all the time.

Daisy, totally sympathize with your situation, sounds like leo and fraser have some things in common! of course some of this is just down to immature digestive systems and like you said, they'll change soon enough -- i feel i should appreciate these early days no matter what as they'll be short lived.

Oh I was also told to test out food allergy diet changes. how is that going for you? i was going to start deleting one allergen for a few days at a time e.g. no dairy for 4 days, etc. to see if it makes a difference.

re: slings got a baba sling and a bjorn on ebay, turns out i'm rubbish w the sling (dh already an expert with it though but can pop him into the bjorn easily -- he sleeps in it too!

Worriedamy good to read your birth story, I can definitely relate to how everything speeded up for you near the end isn't it intense! Good to hear everything ended up ok.

silk sorry to hear about b/feeding issues it does feel like round-the-clock feeding doesn't it! glad a counsellor was able to help. bunnymother good for you for persisting with b/feeding despite all the setbacks hope the pump works out for you!!

and welcome appletiser and hollybobs! holly could be colic but then again what I wrote above could be reflux or food allergy? have you tried infacol as well?

gotta go, Leo is getting cranky in his cot?

Hollybobs zozokat* naat and other colic_club members - I don't like the general term 'colic' as it does seem that different things are going on for different babies (dd had silent reflux and had pain 24/7 so it wasn't 'colic' - zozokat - is that what they think leo has if they have prescribed Ranitidine? My dd tried Ranitidine and reacted badly - but there are a bunch of medicines that can be used - I know a really good website you can look at if it is reflux).

It does seem that Fraser might have colic though as his aggravation between 4.30 and 10pm seems unexplainable. Everything that might bother him a little bit at any other time of day, becomes complete agony between these times.

I use a Fisher & Price swing seat (that dd used too and used to sleep in during the night sometimes). Sometimes when he is inconsolable it works, it helps when I have to prepare dinner, helps when he is overtired and sometimes it just pushes him over the brink into sleep. It does help hugely - I even lent it to some friends who said it really helped.

I use the Tricotti sling (I think it's really like the kari-me). If he has serious wind problems or poo problems it won't help but it does help for the more general colic unhappiness.

These two things help give me a break from the 4.30 - 10pm crying.

Quick question, someone at nursery just recommended Coleif - has anyone used it before?

Thanks everyone for all the lovely comments about Fraser's picture. ermintrude - love the pictures of your children. They are gorgeous.

tee and erm - thanks for nappy rash advice. dd never responded to Bepanthan but all babies are different so I will try it. tee - your solution sounds as if it makes sense. It is odd the way they are all 'off' Vaseline these days, my Health Visitor made a point of saying it wasn't good as it traps in moisture. But you can properly dry the area first, and as you say it keeps out the nasty aggravating poo during the night especially. Fraser's bottom is back to being a nasty shade of red, even after two big attempts at 'airing' his bottom.

Just looked into Colief and it looks like it's worth trying. Am just about to pop out to Boots and try it.

Urgh, Alexander is very sicky today, in the sling then in his chair, and rather a lot poor boy. Not on me for once though.

I have been in the country for a couple of days hence why no posts, really lovely time. We got up to go early this morning and it was beautifully sunny and I did not want to leave! Done very little today as knackered (up late, up in the night, then up early) and about to have another lie down until dh comes home.

I am struggling to write my research proposal - surprise surprise! Brain mushy, always tired, looking after two, no time to go to library for research, etc, etc. Need to send course leader a draft asap (final application due by 1st August) so it is a little wearing. Anyway, I will just do the best I can, I hadn't planned on starting a phD this year (but very good opportunity came up so thought I'd try) so if it doesn't happen it's not a big deal!

Oooh, Alex just awoken after about 10 mins sleep! Probably hungry after all the vomiting.

You should see my little man, he is huge, 10Ib 10oz (4.8kg) or at least it seems like that after wee baby dd. Also he appears to be going bald! He started off with a little hair but I think it is falling out and new stuff is growing in, bizarrely there is more 'old' hair at the back and sides which has grown a bit so it's a very slight monk effect! Dd didn't have this so I'm not sure what is usual.

Doris - great idea re diary! I'm so stealing it.

Daisy and others with colicky babies - I feel for you! We don't have this so far and it sounds incredibly difficult and stressful. Whoever said at least it won't last much longer is so right. I keep reminding myself of that with the lack of sleep. Hopefully in a month or so will have a bedtime and only one night feed, fingers crossed.

Holly - Welcome! You've done well to have a bedtime already, I'm hoping Alex will start getting into his own routine in the next few weeks and then we can do the same. Sorry about all the crying, I've no idea what it could be but the other ladies seem to have some good advice!

Naat and sling fans - they are great! It's amazing how quickly the relax in them, just think one day soon they'll be too big and heavy for them!

MrsMcJnr - Hope you get some me time soon!

silk - Oh I wish I could be more help with Megan. Molly is five so it is a completely different age to deal with, hopefully it is just a phase that will pass quickly. Recently Molly had some regular bedwetting (about two months ago) and I really did not know why and was worried it was going to be continuous but luckily it only last 2 weeks! I would say that she won't be cold, because she would let you know if she was, but obviously no nappy is very problematic!

Right must lie down so I'm afraid that's all the catch-up I can manage the now. Hello to everyone!

Oooh just remembered - ermin - your friend's husband!! Good lord! That is dreadful. I think it is really impressive that with such little support she managed 3 and then 6 months, well done to her! (And the MIL! Geeeeez)

Daisy - Gorgeous wee boy you have!

daisy it is silent reflux, how did your dd react to it? are there bad side effects? it would be good to take a look at that website! (colic club is a good name though

littlesarah forgot to mention I supervise phd students and review apps for them (in my part-time role as lecturer let me know if you want any pointers even though we probably don't work in the same areas. most applications i see are too vague and open, my number one piece of advice is hone hone hone the research question down to something really specific and have a specific plan of study to propose (you can always change it as you go so don't worry about committing yourself to something too soon)

or if you don't get the application and want to make yourself feel better check out this thread

thank you all for the warm welcome - it really does help speaking to other mums going through the same thing

june does sound like they're similar. She seems so much more content when she's swaddled. I think might try just putting her in the moses basket but in her room as its more snug & I can put a blanket either side. We do put her arms in the swaddle as she suffers badly from startle reflex.

doris dd1 was very unsettled in the first few months as well (maybe its hereditary!) but we did get through it and now shes a really good sleeper (she says crossing her fingers) so I totally agree with telling ourselves it won't last forever.

naat i know, however hard i find things I am in total awe of dh who gets up at that hour, does a 12 hour shift in a factory & then comes home & looks after the dc to give me a break

zozokat we got infacol a few days ago but i keep forgetting to give it her before a feed must sort that out! daisy mw came today & suggested i try colief (after i broke down in tears on her... oops!) it cost £10 for a tiny little bottle but if it works then i guess its worth it! let me know if it helps you, fingers crossed it does the trick for poppy.

hi all

Hollybobs - welcome to the thread and congratulations on the birth of Poppy. we put dd1's moses basket into her cot until she outgrew it when we first moved her into her own room. its worth a try, they must feel more snug in the basket and look so tiny in the giant cot! hope she settles down for you really soon

littlesarah - good luck with your research. it must be so hard fitting allt hat in with a newborn and another dd too. i wouldnt know where to start! Hope Alex's sickness stops, poor little man

silk - thanks for your help with the b/feeding. i have been increasing the feeds and offering both breasts first then topping up with formula if needed and it seems to be working, my boobs definitly feel fuller again! yay!

Doris - sorry to hear Annabelle is also suffering with the colic, i hope she (and you!) have had a better day today

bunny - sorry to hear Delie has tongue tie, hope you get that sorted really quickly. no wonder you have had so much trouble with bf. hope the pumping goes well for you

Hi to everyone else! hope you are all well and not too sleep deprived/sore/emotional etc etc!!

zozo - sorry I read your post too quickly and missed the bit about my diet. I haven't discussed this properly with anyone as had so many conversations about all this when dd was a baby, that I'm just exploring all the things I know about first, just had a quick chat to the midwife and she said to start by cutting out fizzy drinks, coffee, chocolate, citrus fruits - and said I could try cutting out dairy, although her theory from years of practise was not to eat things that you didn't enjoy (or 'went off') during pregnancy as it seems to be an indication they don't like it. I'm not drinking alcohol either. She said ideally to stick to lean meat, vegetables, starch and fruit that isn't citrusy.

But I'm really struggling. When I am tired, I react by eating and I find it hard to not eat dairy.

DD had bad silent reflux and was in pain for an hour after every feed, so in reality two hours of every three (one hour feeding, one hour getting over it) during the daytime and two of every four hours at night. It makes colic seem easy by comparison. I was at the end of my tether and almost strangled the moronic doctor in month 3 who said 'babies cry, that's what they do'!!!! My daughter's reflux got worse on Rantidine so I stopped immediately but I know it works for others. DD's reflux started to get better on the day she turned 3 months old, after a particularly bad week.

I know some people bought the special mattress (from the US I think) that is at a 30 degrees angle and the baby is strapped in. It allows them to sleep. We actually bought a swing chair in about week 10 and she was so peaceful in it, that some nights she slept the whole night in it! DD used Gaviscon from 4 weeks till 12 weeks but I wish I had pushed for her to be on something stronger from an earlier age.

Here is the website....it's completely coincidental that it's a NZ website (I am a NZer) as I actually looked at quite a few from all over the world, and thought this one was the most helpful....

Crying Over Spilt Milk

hollybobs - I went out and bought Colief (pricey isn't it - tiny bottle too) and tried it at 5pm. I noticed a difference which was promising. As I breastfeed I will have to express every morning so I have some milk to put the drops in, so am not really organised for giving it to him tonight. Will let you know how it goes tomorrow.

littlesarah - yes, just one month to go and should be looking better...

crying baby - better go.....

oh dear, hard to catch up, so in haste:

mrsmc Arthur feeds a lot between 8 and 11. I just watch TV while I feed him and keep putting him down in the moses basket so he won't snuggle asleep on me too much. Then DH has him for half an hour while I do things like try to catch up on MN, get myself ready for bed, run baby a bath, get sleepsuit ready etc. DH tries to have some wakeful time with him, and then gets him undressed and we bath him briefly - he gets a bit annoyed at this but it makes him wakeful enough to want to feed from both sides and then go into his crib asleep. Last 3 nights he's slept between 4-6 hrs, woken for another feed and slept another 2-3 hrs. I think the wakeful time helps, and the full stomach.

silk at swine flu near miss! It's in the schools near us, I'm quite worried.

Your DD is young for toilet training but girls tend to be quicker than boys (surprise ) and so she might be ready - certainly if she can strip off it would be handy for her NOT to wee in her bed. Interesting that it's the new arrival that's made her do it.

Welcome hollybobs and hope the advice you get here helps with the sleeping.

Hi to Naat, LIttlesarah, Bunny, Zozokat, Daisy, Lynnnn, June and everyone else. and especial sympathy to those of you with colicky babes - DD had it and that evening crying was awful but all passed by 3 months. fortunately neither DS had it (thus far - fingers crossed).

Morning all. Hello to hollybobs

Just read through and have promptly forgotten everything.... baby brain!

Emily's colic is still raging, although she knackered herself out so much by 11.30 last night she zonked out until 2.15 - 4 hours since her last feed! That gave me a proper chunk of sleep and now I feel a new woman!

She only fed twice in the night last night! Hooray!

Sorry to hear about the tongue-tie bunny. My nephew had it and had it 'snipped' at the hospital. He didn't even wake up when the doc did it! It made a real difference, though my SIL had already given up BF by this point. Are you getting it corrected?

daisy - I thought the current thinking was to not go down the food avoidance route as it puts so much pressure on you, when there isn't much proof that it has any effect. I think I read that on a thread by a BF counsellor. Poor you with the silent reflux. It sounds horrendous for you and poor little baby. Glad to hear that baby had grown out of it by 3 months.

3 months sounds a bit of a milestone with lots of things. So many people had said that the colic goes by then. September seems a long way away....

Hello to all the rest of the sleep-deprived-zombie mothers.....

Morning all.

Had a quick read through. Sorry to hear so many are dealing with colic and other issues. Adam is not having colic, thank goodness, but did have such a bad diaper rash he bled a bit. Its better now, using the E45 nappy cream covered with Vaseline method.

Welcome to new people!

I have been very lucky in that DH has taken the night shift twice this week and I've had a good long sleep in the spare room. It is a mixed blessing that I can't breastfeed, although I am very jealous of those who can. I think I'd rather be exhausted and able to breastfeed, but my milk just never came in.

I hope everyone has a lovely weekend!! And remember...this too will pass and soon they'll be teenagers and sleeping too much.

Morning Juners!

Busy thread! Let's see if I can remember half

Tee, another fantastic phrase, lady! Loved it! So sorry to hear about Adam's rash hopefully your cream mix will work wonders.

Ermin, I've also noticed Mila's sleep lasting longer at night when she has a good long feed. She seems to have established a 2-feed routine, one between 1 and 2 and another between 4 and 5, but sometimes if she has her last feed near midnight she only wakes up once! Let's hope it sticks! We also give her a latish bath, between 9 and 10, which tires/relaxes her quite a lot, so she feeds and then sleeps right after that.

Ineed, glad you managed those 4hs of sleep!! Really hoping Emily's colic improves soon... you have the third appt this Tuesday, right?

Daisy, I was also told by the head BF consultant at the baby cafe that I shouldn't avoid any food that I normally consumed during pregnancy, that avoiding certain products had no effect on babies... don't know if that's the current theory... as we have seen and heard, they're changing them all the time! Hope the drops work!

Llynn, hi! How are you??

Hollyhobs, so sweet of your DH to help you even after such long day! Yes, you must remember to give Infacol before each feed... I was bad at remembering, so DH helped with that It's working wonders on Mila, she's not had any trapped wind since we started giving it to her, thank God. Hope it works for you as well.

LittleS, so happy you got some lovely days in the country, a bit jealous here Hope you manage to submit the proposal... I want to start a PhD as well, but I think I'll give it two more years Great weight gain, wee Alex!!!

Zozo, did the inclined cot work?? Any improvement? I really hope Leo's silent reflux is better ((hug)) Oh, I was rubbish with the kari-me, as I seemed to wrap it all wrong! But I'm better now... DH is an expert, though

Doris, sooooo sorry to hear about your hard day yesterday I can only imagine how hard it was to deal with Annabelle's colic and both DC going wild... We were also told about excess heat and cot death, which is why we put two rolled blankets on each side but she doesn't have too much on and a muslin or a light blanket if it's a bit cool.

Mrsmc, hi!!! Ouch, sorry to hear about your wrist and back! Take it easy now HOpe it doesn't hurt much. How's DS these days? A bit more mellow?

Hi to all the Juners!!!

It seems month number 3 is quite a milestone to reach! Every single problem seems to disappear then Let's hope for September to come quickly then!!!

Right, have a lovely sunny Saturday everyone!! I'll have x-posted with loads of you by the time I hit post message It's taken a while to write this

(((waves)))

Hi Juners, argh my head is mince...just read through your posts and can barely remember anything...I'm so tired, I'm watching a dreadful Piers Morgan interview with Katie bloody Price but too knackered to change it.

Right - I have finally figured it oot and PUT PICTURES UP ON MY PROFILE. Hoorah! I think I may print out these pix passport size and use them for my birth announcement/thank you cards (whenever I get round to THAT )

Re. all your colicky babies...I'm a tad confused. What exactly is the difference between colic and reflux? It's hard to know if Ishbel falls into these categories: like you Ermin I have a hard time between 5pm to 11pm and deal with that by alternating breast with dummy, playing lullabies and walking round with her in the sling or bouncing in the Amby. Is this colic or just newborn Evening Rage? Also, Ishbel seems to be sick at least 3-4 times after a feed, often projectile, which I read was a symptom of reflux...Anyway, whatever the noun, she's quiet now, so I'm

holly welcome and congratulations. Hope things are getting easier. I'm in awe of all you ladies with young DCs as well as newborns, I can't imagine how difficult it must be.
june your HV suggested to put a cuddly toy in the crib - I thought that was a complete no-no??
Thank you for your advice on the lansinoh and green poo btw the way
silk close brush with the swine flu...your poor friend.

I was having a hot chocolate in a local cafe yesterday and the waitress asked if she could hold Ishbel...but I started to feed her as I really didn't want to pass her to a complete stranger when she's only 2 weeks...especially if we really are in a midst of a swine flu epidemic. I then felt guilty as she had been very kind (helping me with the pram etc) and I think I hurt her feelings...do any of you have strategies for this or should i loosen up?

right, going to get in the bath before Ishbel wakes up for 11-12 feed. This is my favourite feed, we listen to lullabies, although embarrassingly, they always make me cry, especially just as mum comes in to say good night adn I have to explain I'm only crying because I love my baby so much and am so happy...slush slush slush

no time to catch up as I really need some sleep but update on the nappy saga.

After another morning of finding a toddler starkers and very happy with herself (but no weeing in the cot) the inevitable happened this evening.

She went to bed at 7pm as usual but went quiet really quickly. I was feeding dd2 and asked dh to check on dd1. She was huddled naked at one end of her cot on the verge of tears and very quiet whilst her pillow was covered in a massive poo at the other end

By the time I rushed upstairs she was clinging sobbing to dh who then also got covered in poo!

All sorted and bundled into bath (dd) or washing machine (bedding and assorted cuddly toys). She then received a lecture on keeping her nappy on whilst in the cot. Difficult to assess how much she understands. She's only just 20 months but very bright and advanced according to nursery. I guess we'll see if this ahs convinced her to keep the nappy on.

Hope all the juners and their little babbies are doing well

Naat lol, you thought everyone else was posting but we were all too zonked out .

Looouise hi fellow mush-brainer, join the club! Gorgeous pics - Ishbel's eyes are just amazing, and I love the skin to skin one. (you look very pretty in profile too ).

Arthur doesn't get colic; the evening time is just spent putting him from one breast to the other with odd bouts of snoozing and looking about in between. Thus far he only cries if he wants milk or is having a bath - the nappy-change rage seems to have subsided unless we take more than 30 seconds about it . I think colic crying is so specific and they often draw their legs up because of the pain, and whatever you try they can't be calmed - thankfully we don't have that problem.

My DD would also puke after every feed and that carried on for months but it didn't give her any discomfort (just made my shoulder smell of parmesan). DS1 was a business like feeder who didn't even need winding. Arthur does need to be winded after feeds; it's a myth that breastfed babies never need to be - he guzzles fast and must suck in some air - and he will whinge and wiggle a bit until the burp comes up, but it's not for long. He rarely pukes even a tiny bit - they're all different.

Re strangers holding babies - only if you're happy with it. Wait till an Italian waiter rushes Ishbel off to show everyone in the kitchen, which happened to my DD when she was about a month old. DH had to sort of hold me in my seat while I pretended to be calm and smiling but I wanted to scream BRING HER BACK TO ME NOW!!! She was fine and everyone smiled and cooed over her. (by 6 months old she was sitting in a high chair flirting with Italian waiters of course .

x-post silk. What a lovely surprise to find in DD's cot! Lol that she did it on the pillow (sorry, I'm sure it wasn't funny for you, but it paints a picture ). Maybe you'll have to put her in a growbag or tricky sleepsuit if she keeps stripping off?

Bookmarking yet again
Feeling shattered this weekend.
DH went out to dinner on Friday night with firends.I found it really hard staying up for the late feed at 11pm which slid to 11.30pm (didn't settle until 1am!) and then doing the night feed at 5am and then getting up with the boys at 7.30am for breakfast.I don't know how you Bf ladies do it!
DH had a lay in as hungover and when he came down he laid on the sofa for a large part of the day leaving the entertaining of ds's and baby to moi
I was so tired yesterday evening that I went to bed as early as I could after putting boys to bed and settling them (getting up to no good in evenings so was 10pm). Couldn't sleep then as had no wond down time and then dh brought Elina up at 11.25pm after having fed her. He didn't wind her and she was unsettled until 1am again Of course dh rolled over and went to sleep and left me to it.
I am sorry for the rant but I just felt so down last night like I was doing everything and it was not appreciated.

I think it is vital that all of us get some down time before we end each day. I will go insane if I don;t put my foot down about this. AIBU?