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Tee2072 · 04/07/2009 08:42

Hi all and welcome to our first post-natal thread! Nappy's, colic and burping OH MY!

Come join the conversation as our baby's grow and grow.

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llynnnn · 08/07/2009 20:39

hi all

quick catch up, sorry i havent been on much recently, i dont know where the days go!!

tee - pleased Adam is home again now, must have been really scary for you but it is such an easy thing to happen. i hope you are feeling ok about it now. Love your post from this afternoon, its very very true!

Daisy - sorry Fraser is having trouble with his wind, does sound like colic. dd1 had it quite bad when she was tiny, she would only ever settle in the car or if we carried her lying on her belly along one arm while rubbing her back iyswim?? hope the cranial app helps

Naat - Isobel has an awful habit of pooing again just as we've changed her nappy!! the gets cross when we start undressing her again!! pleased to hear about Mila's great weight gain!

Doris - I have a kari me sling too, its great isnt it. Isobel always falls straight to sleep in it and ity leaves my hands free to sort dd1 out or get a little housework done. i love holding her so close too!

Ineed - hope you got some rest today and are feeling better. sorry to hear Emily is still suffering though, hope it passes really soon

Hi to everyone else, hope you are all doing well, sorry for not being up to date with everyone my brain is mush at the moment!!

Things here are going well. I hae finally been discharged from the hospital and midwifes with reagrd to my bladder issues!! they are finally happy that everything is working normally. it is such a huge weight off my mind and i feel like i can finally relax and enjoy Isobel and being a new mum.

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worriedamy · 08/07/2009 21:04

Hi everyone... sorry its been such a long time since I last posted- this last week has been so crazy, well its not even been a week. It was last Wednesday when I went to the hospital for my 40+10 check up and its all been a bit of a whirlwind since then... I still haven't really got my head around it. Every minute I have to myself, I just keep re-running the last week in my head.

Tee- I hope you are now feeling more relieved and being a bit easier on yourself after what must have been a a tough time for you. xxxx

effie- its kinda nice to hear that you know someone else with the same name as Caelan, albeit the different spelling! I am quite suprised at the amount of 'ooh thats a weird name' comments we have had already... its not like I have made it up!! Yesterday we took him out and someone asked his name, and when I told them, she replied 'oh so he's a girl then?'. No! Not Caitlin!!

ineed- I love you idea about cutting and pasting all your pregnancy posts- that sounds like a great idea, and bet its really interesting to read!! I wish I had been posting earlier than I had!!

Want to say thank you to everyone for all your messages of encouragement regarding my induction... I was reading all of your posts during my stay in hospital and they helped a lot! Thank you all xxx

Welllll.... I know birth stories are a bit old hat now, with some of you have 4, 5, 6 week old babies (!!) but I would like to tell mine anyway!! I went to the day unit last Wednesday for my 40+10 check up, and from the scan they said they couldn't see much fluid around the baby, and with me also only measuring 36 weeks, they decided they wanted to induce me the next morning at 7am - oh my god I'm gonna have a baby!! I asked the midwife during the scan if she could see how big the baby was going to be, as although I was measuring small, so was my mum when she had me, and I ended up bing 9lb 7ozs and 59cm!! Anyway... midwife reassured me that there was 'no way there was a 9lb baby in there'... .

So I got myself rather upset because I was pretty much kissing bye bye to my water birth/ as little intervention as possible birth plan... in fact the midwife told me I shouldn't have even bothered writing one as they never work out . So I went home that night and packed my 15 hospital bags, and returned the next morning . This is when I most appreciated all you kind messages, as we were not even seen by a midwife until 9am, and the two hours waiting was horrible. I was given two doses of the pessaries, 6 hours apart, and after the second dose started to have mild contraction 2-3 mins apart. I was due to be examined again at 10pm to see how I had progressed, and to see when I would move from the assessment rooms that I was in, to the labour rooms. Anyways, after a good 3 hours of contractions, I asked the midwife to have a look to see how I was doing, and by that stage there had been a shift change, and my very nice midwife had changed into horrible abrupt midwife from hell! She told me I wasn't dilated, and if I couldn't cope with the pain I could have some morphine (I never even mentioned I couldn't deal with the pain, I just wanted to see how I was progressing...). All my notes have needle phobic scrawled all over them, after my midwife at the clinic watched me try to have my booking in bloods , so her suggestion of an injection, and the declaration that I had not progressed at all, coupled with the fact that she then turned around and said 'you'll have to go up to the labour ward now and you (speaking to dp) will have to go... you can come back tomorrow morning', oh I got so upset . Anyways... I went up to the labour ward, said goodbye to dp, and cried and cried .

Got up the next morning very scared about the prospect of the drip (due to needle phobia), and went down to the labour rooms at 7am. Just walking into the room and seeing the bed, and knowing that I am going to be strapped to it, being monitored, until I had my baby made me so scared I could hardly speak! I am such a wimp! I really didn't want to be monitored constantly, stuck to a damn bed not being able to move, and the only outcome I could see was a great big pair of forceps!! ... anyways, after another shift change at 8, my midwife for that day came in to meet me. She was lovely! She went through my birth plan with me, unfortunatley most of it comprised of telling me that I couldn't have what I had said in my plan, but she was very nice about it! She explained that they were going to break my waters and then have me up on a drip, and about 4 hours after the drip had been put in they would re-examine me and be hoping for me to be 2cm. They broke my waters at 9.30am (dp felt vey much involved at this stage as he was asked to hold the hook and pass it to the midwife when required !!), and I started having quite strong contractions straight away. I was hooked up on the damn monitor, and I could see that they were quite regular and strong. But they still insisted on the drip, and after half an hour of hysterics , they finally got it connected up and going at 10am. That then led to stronger and stronger contractions, and by half 12 I was in agony!!! I couldn't believe they thought this would be going on all day, and just couldn't see how I would be able to cope! 15 mins later I started to push, and at 13.31pm Caelan Jak was born, weighing 8lb 6.5 ozs. So much for there being no chance of a 9lb baby, and so much for being 2cm after 4 hours!! It was all so crazy and intense, I still can't get my head around it.

When Caelan was born, DP cried his eyes out, and he isn't usually the emotional type! It really took me by suprise, and made me realise what I had just done... oh my god I had just had a baby! I still can't really get my head around it!!

My mum was pacing the corridor outside and she was allowed to come in after I had had a few stitched etc etc (2nd degree tear), which was really nice! She has been so excited, and it was really nice to see her so happy, as she has had a rough few years! Seeing the people close to me so happy because of something I had done was amazing, so surreal...

The last bit of worry around my pregnancy was releived when the doctor came in to examine Caelan. I had put in my notes that I would like him to be examined asap, as at his 20 week scan they had picked up two soft markers for Downs and we had been given a 1/100 chance. After an excrutiating 5 minutes where the doctor looked at him however, he told us Caelan was healthy, and then it was my turn to cry!!

Sorry for the essay everyone, its just so weird, I cannot comprehend that this is real life, and the last week has actually happened!! I will put pics on my profile of Caelan, and his big head of hair asap!! Hope for a much less self-centred catch up very soon!!! xxx

Oh one last thing... what kind of post-natal care have all you ladies had?? I tranfered from the care of one trust to another while in hospital, so the midwives that are coming round at the moment aren't familiar with my notes, and my notes don't have the templates in that they are used to, so I kind of get the feeling they are making it up as they go along!! Also, the hospital took all my antenatal notes, so I don't really have any information now... is there a way I can get my birth notes from the hosptial??

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worriedamy · 08/07/2009 21:06

whoa, thats one hell of a long post... apologies!!

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appletiser · 08/07/2009 21:45

o wow - i am so happy to see this thread on here.. haven't been on mumsnet since i was about 38wks prreg.. now have a 2wk old.. havent had a chance to read through all of the thread yet but very comforting to read the little i have so far in that others are experiencing same as i am .. hope to get a chance tomorrow to read more and join in some more...

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silkcushion · 08/07/2009 23:05

hello apple and congrats on yr new baby.

Worried - thanks for the birth story. Caelan didn't hang around in the end did he? needle phobia must have made it all v difficlut to deal with.

Erm - my bleeding is exactly the same as yrs

bf going pretty well here. dd has only had 4oz of formula today so she's nearly fully bf

exhausted so off to bed now

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Tee2072 · 09/07/2009 06:57

worried what a story! So glad it all came out okay in the end.

apple nice to see you! Glad to have you around.

Adam had a horrid day yesterday. Just cranky boy all afternoon. And I think he might have a cold.

Off to eat before he wakes up again! Talk to y'all later!

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Ineedmorechocolatenow · 09/07/2009 07:42

Actually got about 5 hours sleep last night (as opposed to the 1 - 2 hours a night I was getting the previous few nights) so I feel a bit more energised. DH is at a work's do tonight and won't be back til 11 so I've got the two of the on my own until then and no chance of catch up on the sleep.... boo hoo! I just hope the colic screaming is better tonight, not sure how I'll cope with that on my own....

worried - I love reading other people's birth stories, thank you for posting that. It sounds like an amazing day! Can't wait to see the photos

apple - nice to see you back on here. Hope to hear more of your news soon.

silk - congrats on the BF - that's fabulous!

BF going well here too. Contemplating giving Emily one bottle of formula in the evening to try and give me a break. I HATE expressing, and at the moment don't have any time to do it, but will give this a go first. She had two three hour gaps between feeds in the night so I hope this continues as I actually slept in between....

Off to a music group this morning with DS and DD. He's been cooped up all week as I've been too exhausted to take him anywhere. Hopefully he'll enjoy it.

Was supposed to be going down to the New Forest for a friend's daughter's birthday on Sunday, but I think we'll cancel as I need to stock up on some sleep before next week. DH breaks up next Friday and then we have 6 weeks off as a family.... bliss!

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llynnnn · 09/07/2009 08:46

Ineed - so pleased you managed to get some sleep last night, its suprising how just a little bit extra really makes such a difference to how you feel. hope it continues and good luck on your own tonight!

Apple - welcome and congratulations on your new baby!

Tee - I hope Adam doesnt have a cold and he's happier for you today, bless him!

Worried - yikes, the whole pregnancy mustve been so hard being needle phobic let alone the birth! so pleased it all worked out in the end and looking forward to seeing pics

Silk - great news about the breastfeeding, you have done so well to turn it around after your horrific nipple injury! we have been giving Isobel a few bottles as i was really sore and was starting to dread feeding, now i'm healed and it doesnt hurt anymore my milk supply has really reduced and after a bf she is crying for more within 1 hour, how did you increase your milk so well?

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chocciedooby · 09/07/2009 09:24

Hi ladies. Just bookmarking.Back later x

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silkcushion · 09/07/2009 09:40

Ineed - thank goodness you got a few extra hours. I don't know how you've been coping. i deliberately gave Ealeri a ff bottle last night as I thought I'd get more chance of a 3/4 hour sleep. I was partially right - she slept from 11 til 4.30 . However megan woke and screamed ftrom 11 til 1am when I gave in and left her bedroom light on and gave her some books to look at. Thankfully dh went to work late this morning and dropped Megan at nursery for me.

Llynn - wrt increasing milk supply I have followed the advice of bfc. They said her constant feeding is her trying to get my milk supply up but it can take a few days for yr body to respond. I also express 2/3 times per day (not huge amounts) to keep my breasts thinking I need more milk. Over the weekend she'd feed for ages and then seem starving so I'd give formula. Bfc said I should just put her back to the breast. I've struggled with this as I've had so many visitors/things to do I simply couldn't spend all day and night feeding. As I' ve got a bit more time now I'm spending more time feeding and doing bugger all else. Have to find what works for you. I can't cope with no sleep so I'll give ff last thing at night and if I'm exhausted the same for the middle of the night feed as it's so much quicker. Hope some of this helps but my mian advice is speak to a bfc - they really know their stuff.

hello to all the other Juners

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Naat · 09/07/2009 10:42

Morning Juners!!

Silk, so glad for you BF is going well now. I guess your nipple has already healed, that's great!

Ineed, oh, glad to hear you got some more sleep last night. 6 weeks of family time will be great!!! are you going on holidays for some days or are you staying at home chilling?

Llynn, yay! discharged for good!! So happy for you! A free woman indeed

Tee, sorry to hear Adam had a hard day yest. I saw on your FB he's doing better today

Apple, congratulations!!! Hope to read more soon!

Worried, congratulations again! Thanks for sharing your birth story. As a needle phobic myself, I completely understand your fears and your choices in your birth plan. I had a second degree tear as well and demanded not to be stitched They told me the only thing was it was going to take longer to heal and I said "no problem!" I'm back to normal now, fortunately. So glad you got a lovely MW in the last stage!! Looking forward to seeing pics of Caelan soon.

Daisy, sorry to hear Fraser is suffering the nasty effects of colic now. Hope infacol helps, it's helped us quite a lot. I found sudocrem vvvv good for nappy rash, have you tried it? WRT the poo, the BFC frm the baby cafe told me it was because of being a breastfed baby, that it was completely normal and would change once he started eating solids so don't worry

A big wave to all juners!!

Tipying w one hand now as Mila woke up... Good night last night as she woke up only once at 4.30!!! Still looking for my keys!!! oh well..

Back later!!!

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ermintrude13 · 09/07/2009 11:01

Hi all

Quick word about milk supply and sleeping - the night before last was the first time Arthur has slept more than a couple of hours in the night time, the rest of it has been almost constant b/feeding while I kept dropping off - was so tired I did a couple of feeds lying down so that I could actually sleep a bit, but he gets too hiccupy so can't do that much. Anyway, it really has made my milk supply massively increase - I get full of milk lumps (mmmm ) after 3-4 hours, and now when he feeds he really fills up - often needs 40 winks between emptying breasts - and therefore sleeps for longer. Last night he did 11.30 till 5.30 and then 6 to 9.30 .

We make sure he has a wakeful time before putting him down in his crib - time with DH and a bath, which he hates, but at least it makes him lively and angry and demanding a feed.

So although the constant feeding is a bind, it does settle once you're making enough milk to fill their stomachs.

Silk you've done brilliantly with the b/f, v well done for sticking at it.

Good to hear my bleeding pattern is not completely alien... it's all back down to nearly nothing and I feel much better standing up so maybe it was just my uterus doing its self-cleaning thing (like my oven is supposed to but never actually does...)

Worried thanks so much for telling us about Caelan's birth - sounds like your body knew what it was doing, and you coped with everything really well. I don't think I'll ever believe anything anybody says about baby weights before they actually emerge into the world - so many mums on this thread have been told complete rubbish about the size of their LOs! Hope to see pics soon.

appletise welcome, congrats on new baby, tell us all about yourself.

I hear wails - ttfn xx

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lauraloo09 · 09/07/2009 11:01

hiya everyone...had a horrid day yesterday with Sarah, constant crying from 8am until 11pm but at least she let me sleep last night between 11 and 3 and 3.30ish until 6.30

She is much better today, switched formula as HV said SMA could be causing the colicy behaviour, so now on cow and gate and MIL is going to buy me the cow and gate comfort which is supposidly easier to digest than normal formula so fingers crossed this will work, but i can already see a difference in Sarah's behaviour today

Was a bit at HV yesterday, she didn't call or let me know when she was coming, so after having Sarah screaming all morning i eventually got her down at 3ish and took a nap, next thing there was a bang on the door so that disturbed my nap then HV wanted to weigh Sarah so had to take everything off her which made her cry again and that didnt stop all night. Sarah now weighs 8lb 9.5oz and considering she was 7lb 9oz when born she has now put on just over 1lb which HV was happy with but i'm worried she's gaining too much weight...am i mad for thinking this??

tee sorry to hear Adam had a terrible day yesterday, i hope he is better today

apple big hellos and congrats on your baby, cant wait to hear more about your baby

naat glad Mila slept most of the night and hope you find those keys soon

ineed glad to hear you got a better sleep last night and hope Emily's colic settles down soon. Has the craineal osteopathy (SP?) helped at all? I was thinking of getting an appointment for Sarah if she gets worse.

Sarah's begining to cry again will be back soon big hellos to the rest of the FAB8 juners

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bigcar · 09/07/2009 11:28

laura, just a quicky on weight as I have to dash out! About 1/2 a pound a week weight gain is considered fine Unfortunately babies can't read growth charts and rarely put weight on that follows a straight line, some weeks they will only put on an ounce or two other weeks half a pound or more, so you get a wavy growth line, there is nothing wrong with that All sorts of things can affect weight, using different sets of scales that maybe aren't completely flat, if your lo has just been fed or is due a feed straight after weighing, whether they have just filled a nappy or are just about to straight after etc, you get the picture Hence why some of us think hvs can over obssess about growth charts So don't worry you're both doing great

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Ineedmorechocolatenow · 09/07/2009 11:39

Naat - My parents live near the coast, so I think we're going to watch the weather reports and look for a run of nice days and hot foot it down there. DH is on 'shed-building' duty all summer (the whole garden rests on this damn shed being built as it means we can knock down the monstrosity of a garage that takes up all the garden once the shed is built) so I'm hoping he gets to build that as I want a garden!!

laura - The osteopath has helped in some way. Emily is much easier to wind now and doesn't hold on to her burps now (well, once she's been infacol-ed). she still has the screaming episodes tho'. Last night was only a couple of hours tho' it's been up to 6 hours at times. The osteopath said it'd get worse before it gets better...... I would still recommend it, DS's colic was gone once she'd worked her magic. I guess it depends what is causing it in the first place....

ermin - glad the bleeding has calmed down a bit.

Naat - sorry to hear you're also a needle phobic. I'm okay with needles, but it must be a nightmare. A good friend of mine is phobic of blood, so much so that it had to be noted on her notes as she just passes out when she sees it. You can imagine what a nightmare it was for her after the birth!

silk - sleeping from 11 - 4.30! That's fantastic!

Music was good. DS was a bit unsure at first, but soon started singing along. I'm really trying to get him interested in other things as he's so obsessed with farms and cows that it's getting a bit ridiculous!

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daisy5 · 09/07/2009 11:40

naat alas, sudocream not working, nor metanium, which is super strong and always worked on dd. Only lots and lots of fresh air. Infacol occasionally works but not always, dd was the same, although he was a bit better last night. And dd was breastfeed but had poo that wasn't like water - ds's is quite extreme and almost continual really hurting his nappy rash - a neveending cycle of pain really.

So you see, nothing seems to want to work!!!!

I am playing around with changing my diet at the moment. Cutting out a few things to see if that makes a difference.

ermintrude - I never congratulated you. Glad to hear about little arthur

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daisy5 · 09/07/2009 11:41

Oh, and I've popped a couple of pictures on to my Mumsnet site if you would like to see little Fraser.

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ermintrude13 · 09/07/2009 12:15

daisy Fraser is a little poppet

Have you tried Bepanthan for nappy rash? It was the only thing that worked for DS, although DD was fine with Sudocreme. Hope he finds something to comfort his poor sore botty soon.

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Naat · 09/07/2009 12:40

Oh Daisy, he's gorgeous!!! And you look great and really happy

So sorry to hear Sudocrem hasn't helped Hope his rash heals soon, poor wee lamb.

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chocciedooby · 09/07/2009 13:25

Wow its really hard to keep up if you miss a few days on here.

I don't have much time to post any more with 3dcs at home. Well actually, Elina is great and still sleeping a lot of the time or lays happily in her pram looking around. it's the boys that are keeping me on my toes.

My MIL has taken them out for a few hours and is taking them to the pet shop to buy them a fish each. The idea is that they will have something to care for, feed etc and when it is bed time they must sleep or the fish won't sleep?! (They have been very bold in the evenings lately and it is exhausting dh and I. So...I have this chance to say hello to everyone.

I have scanned the pages and can't remember everything that has been going on but...

Bottle making - I boil the kettle, let it cool slightly and fill up 4 sterilised bottles. I then store them in the fridge unitl they are needed.(always used within the day). As and wehn baby needs feed I add the formula to the bottles, give them a shake, boil the kettle, pour hot water into a jug and stand prepared bottle in jug until it is the required warmth. DD has been taking room temeprature bottles if she is too hungry to wait.

Ermintrude - I thought that my bleeding had stopped a week ago but I had red blood yesterday again. I think it is when I overdo things and am tired. Hopefully that is the case with you too

Colic - so sorry to hear about those of you with lo's suffering from this. DS1 had it and we didn't realise at the time. It is such a difficult time and their crying breaks your heart but fingers crossed it will improve for you all soon.

Worried - thanks for your birth story. I had tears in my eyes reading our post. I feel exactly the same about my little girl and she is my 3rd child. I get tearful every day when I think about how happy I am to have her. I feel so complete now. I know that sounds such a cliche but its true.
Sounds like you had a rough time but then a very fast established labour. Well done you

Nappy Rash - I used Bepanthan years ago and it was great. I do however find Sudocrem very good too. Hope those babes with rashes are better soon.

Had Elina weighed at the health centre on Tuesday. She is now 9lbs 6ozs so we are thrilled. She is enjoying her FF's and seems very content.

I think she has started to see a bit more since yesterday. Her head is following objects....she responds to the boys when they pop their heads over the pram etc. I even think she is trying to communicate with small half smiles and gurgles She is adorable.

DH and I have not been getting on quite as well this week due to tiredness. Late feeds and middle of the night feeds do catch up on us all. We have been bickering about who does what etc and the boys have been very naughty at bedtimes. I am tired of always bring "Bad cop" and want dh to put his foot down but he just doesn't do things the same way as I do. I am going to look into some parenting classes...

Tee - so sorry to hear about your incident with Adam. That must have been so heartbreaking for you. I am so glad he is ok. If it makes you feel any better, I dropped Elina whilst she was in her car seat when she was 10 days old. I lifted up the seat to move it from the chassis to the car and it was so heavy and I was so weak (doing the school run) that it went from my hands. She was fine and I did manage to catch the seat on my leg but I drove home in tears and my 2 boys kept asking me why I had dropped the baby . We get so exhausted and my mind has been away with the fairies a lot if I'm honest that these things can just happen. Please don't beat yourself up. You are a great mummy

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chocciedooby · 09/07/2009 13:27

What has happened to the MN layout??? I don't like it.....

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Tee2072 · 09/07/2009 15:11

No time to really read through, hope everyone is doing well!!

daisy try E45 Nappy Cream covered with Vaseline. Works a treat to cure Adam's diaper rash and the Vaseline makes him a bit waterproof for future poohs! Its my mom's 40 year old secret and its really working! I even asked the doctor about it today at his SCBU follow up and he was all 'oh for sure, Vaseline is the best stuff ever!!'

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silkcushion · 09/07/2009 18:47

diasy Fraser is gorgeous.

Can't remember whether I said but I have finally put a photo of Eleri on my profile.

Have done feck all here all day bar feed my bambino - hoping it will help with tthe milk supply..

erm - the bfc said the best time to feed to increase supply is between 12am and 4am (why couldn't it be mid afternoon?) so far I haven't done a feed at those times (*since reatarting anyway) as she's always asleep and I can't bring myself to wake up if i have the oppotrunity to sleep

got to go - dh is home

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silkcushion · 09/07/2009 18:48

@ typos - not even holding a baby just tiredness causing them all I think

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bunnymother · 09/07/2009 22:04

Evening ladies!!

Have been lurking, reading all your posts and smiling, nodding, laughing, sighing etc with you. All whilst holding little Delie. This thread is SO very helpful! I now know that:

  1. I should get a Karri Me sling, as Delie loves being held and I am sick of not having any hands free; and


  1. I can come back to breastfeeding, as Silk is my pin up girl for heroic breast feeding come backs - thank you for posting your progress!


Naat - good on you for persisting, too, and being pragmatic in your approach - using shields when you need to.

Seems to me that we all have to find our own customised approach, and that there isn't one approach for everyone.

Breastfeeding has turned into a monster challenge for me, and Delie is currently exclusively formula fed, and my supply has dwindled to almost nothing. I developed thrush on my nipples (I think) and now Delie has been diagnosed as having tonge tie. So, have got a hospital grade breast pump so that I can get my supply back up while we sort the other issues out. Who knew it would be this hard??

Ineed - Gosh, glad to hear you got some more sleep! Have been thinking of you and how tough it must be with 3!

Daisy - gorgeous little Fraser! What a cutie pit!

Worried - am delighted for you that you have now had your little darling baby.

Ermin - am not done with the bleeding, either, and find that it varies a bit.

I better go, little Delie is getting a bit cranky so I will hold her now... Have a good night lovely Juners!
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