Nov 2008: Spain, France, Leeds or Brum, wherever we are we're still mums

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Hope this works! I'm a techno-idiot!!

Ok have had another quick scan of the previous posts..

Ceebs sooo with you on the never bloody ending washing basket!!

Twinks we could do our own meet up you are in Caithness yes?? And anyone else if they happen to be in the area (unlikely maybe but not impossible!!)

Phee have to admit I am getting quite broody reading your news again!!! LOL!! DH would have a fit! And if we ain't got enough bedrooms NOW.....!! Yeah think I'll forget about that (see what a better nights sleep does to me???!!!)

xxx

Well, sounds like a few breakthroughs on the sleeping last night. We had some success as well as bumble slept till 5 this morning and I think only woke up cos DD shouted out. I resettled her and then with fed him, but he wasn't for going back down so have been up since 6.30ish. He has had one nap since then, for just an hour...surely not enough.

Twink, don't fret about the dummy and leaving it with him; bumble has his beside him all night. He usually lets it go when he is asleep but one night earlier in the week he woke and was fretting and I was about to get him over to feed, but he must have found it beside him and popped it back in himself ......surely a new definition of a "self settling" baby.

And at the end of the day if him having a dummy all night helps him sleep and you get some (very much needed by the sounds of it) rest, then I'd be inclined to worry about separating from his dummy at a later date.

lol at all the broodiness going on...will this be the start of it? I started the roll on my June 07 thread and there were three babies three months after bumble and there are another two due very soon . I am happy that my baby having days are over, but still like to gurgle over a newborn with the best of them

PMSL sparkletoes; thst sleep has gone to your head hasn't it? On the rooms front though; s there no way you can move the office to another room (dining room?) allowing them to have a room each?

I got sent this by email....tis very funny

What do you do all day??

A man came home from work and found his three children outside, still in their pyjamas, playing in the mud, with empty food boxes and 20 wrappers strewn all around the front yard.
The door of his wife's car was open, and so the front door to the house and there was no sign of the dog. Proceeding into the entry, he found an even bigger mess. A lamp had been knocked over, and the throw rug was wadded against one wall. In the front room the TV was loudly blaring a cartoon channel, and the family room was strewn with toys and various items of clothing.

In the kitchen, dishes filled the sink, breakfast food was spilled on the counter, the fridge door was open wide, dog food was spilled on the floor a broken glass lay under the table, and a small pile of sand was spread by the back door.

He quickly headed up the stairs, stepping over toys and more piles of clothes, looking for his wife. He was worried she might be ill, or that something serious had happened. He was met with a small trickle of water as it made its way out the bathroom door. As he peered inside he found wet towels, scummy soap and more toys strewn over the floor. Miles of toilet paper lay in a heap and toothpaste had been smeared over the mirror and walls.

As he rushed to the bedroom, he found his wife still curled up in the bed in her pyjamas, reading a novel. She looked up at him, smiled, and asked how his day went.

He looked at her bewildered and asked, 'What happened here today?'

She again smiled and answered, 'You know every day when you come home from work and you ask me what in the world I do all day?'

'Yes,' was his incredulous reply.

She answered, 'Well, today I didn't do it.'

Daisy, that is WELL funny.

Daisy that is so funny and so true!!

Twinkling I agree with Daisy tbh, I would just let him fall asleep with his dummy in!! Maybe it is because I am all for the easy life, but given a choice between letting the Hamster fall asleep with his dummy or hanging over his cot shooshing him for however long and then taking his dummy out at the last minute, the dummy would win everytime - I have just put the Hamster down for his nap - I put him in his cot, put a dummy in, gave him his blankie and put his music on and that is it - I am out of the room in 30 seconds!! I know some childcare 'gurus' say you should never let them fall asleep with it in but imo, it really is not worth all the hassle - plenty of time to sort that out. DS1 has always had one at bedtime and he learnt very quickly how to find one in his cot and put it back in - the Hamster is just getting to that stage now although he seems to need one less in the night that DS1 did. Plus, and I hope this doesn't offend you, the way you described how upset your DD was when you sent her out of the room - just think how much more time you could spend with her and how much better she will feel about that. (Although this is probably not a good time to reveal that DS1 still has a dummy at night and is 3 in less than a month's time )

LOL ceebee I know a 3 year old who still has a dummy too. I was all for DS having a dummy but he just lost interest in it & never has it now.

Glad there was a few of us with better nights. Here's hoping that's the first of many.

It's my anniversary on Saturday and my friend has just brought down chocolates which I am already eating!

I like that, Dasiy, but aside from the odd grumble about things not being where they Should Be, DH WOULDN'T DARE

Sparkle- you prolly don't want to know, really. I think I've bored everyone silly with it on this thread. But I think my mother is realising things are not going back to how they were, and it may be that I don't see her ffor quite a while.

Hope your little man is having a fab birthday, Vbab, and that DH's interview goes well.

Vbab , I too hope that ds's b'day is going well and lets hope that your dh gets that job.
Twinkling , agree with ceebee, one step at a time. Sleep for you is the priority. Dummy problems withdrawl can be dealt with later. Which is where I am now. I think Daisy and I can take the crown for the worst sleepers on this thread . But now that this is resolved for us. Dh and I agreed that dummy withdrawl would be our next task. But like I said , give yourself a break. Needs must. Do what needs to be done. And then deal with the next issue once this one is resolved. I do like the 'sleep solution' I like it because I think it is 'gentle, common sense'- do you feel reading it has benefited you, or made you even more confused ?

oh yes, meant to say Happy Birthday to Vbab's DS and hope by the time you read this that you all had a lovely day.

Ceebee at gone in 30 seconds!

chocgal, if I'd just stuck with my June 07 bunch i'd never have "met" all you lovely lot. I still talk to my June bunch most days as well though, although it's a lot quieter there these days.....

....we reckon that 2 years is about the average life span of a PN thread and that ours is coming to the end of it's natural life. We have it hooked up to a life support machine though, fuelled by a die hard crew of about 15 of us!

Daisy my July 06 PN thread, which is about to celebrate it's 3rd birthday, is hanging by a thread lol!! I think there are 6 of us left that are diehard posters (i.e. post at least once a week), a couple more that pop in maybe once a month and that is it!!

Wow, that is an age old thread then ceebee!

Quick nappy question.

bumble (and DD) are in size 4 nappies. I'm not sure if it's because bumble is ample of thigh, but they seem to be quite low on his hips so he shows off his builder's bum all the time. Net result of this is that the last few weeks when he does a poo it all shoots up the back and more often than not spills over . We have tried various different nappies and all have the same issue. I also thought it was maybe because the nappy was soggy, but he has just pood in one that has only been on for half an hour and the same thing has happened. Should I move up to size 4+ or 5? even though he isn't that heavy yet? DD is such a dinky thing I doubt she'll ever need bigger sized nappies.

Any experience?

Daisy I can't answer your question but nappies have always done that on the Hamster - they gape really badly round his bottom and his poo often leaks out the top (particularly if he is sat in his Bumbo when he does it ) However I never had this problem with DS1 so I am guessing, as they have completely different body shapes, DS1's shape just suits nappies better iyswim (he has a round perfect bottom ('peachy bum' as we call him ) whereas the Hamster appears to have no bottom whatsoever ) - and both my boys are in the same size nappies (how bad is that?? ) it makes it so much easier to buy one size tbh!

bumble is also ample of bottom as well as thigh; in fact he is ample all over except in the sleep department

Hi all
Have been lurking without posting as had a couple of days of feeling well poorly with a bad throat/temperature thing. Anyway, much better today.

Big congrats phee. Am so excited about anybody having babies at the moment, I love it, although thankfully not broody myself.
On the dummy front, DS1 never really took to one, but DS2 was a real dummy addict. In fact, he had one at night and really couldn't sleep without one. The number of nights I spent rooting around his cot in the middle of the night looking for one....Anyway, I got reaaaallly stressed about how he was ever going to give it up ( he was nearly 4 by this stage)and then one day he just put it back into my hand and said he didn't want it any more And that was it, he never went back to it. So all my stressing had been about nothing.

M is not on form today, he has that shiney eyed look when they have cough/cold etc. He has been phlegmy too, and just as we were about to leave for school (late) this morning, he did a spectacular puke in his buggy. Had to hose him down, hose buggy down, and so we were mega late for school. He isn't too bad though, no temperature, just another cold I guess.

Ok, gotta go and prise wii remote out of DS1's hands. He's supposed to be doing homework!!

hope you get well soon fudge

sorry M is poorly and hope he isn't too bad the wee scone.

I have just returned from taking dd2 to the opticians, not only is she poorly with a sore throat and bad ears but she now has to have glasses. Why does it all happen at once.

I am filling up with a snotty cold and have just had a major row with my mum over the fact she thinks i am too hard on my dd's since O came along, the fact is that i only have 1 pair of hands and they should be able to help out a little especially dd1 seeing as she is 11 and very mature at that.

O is being a sod at bed time, he won't go to bed unless i cuddle him to sleep first and then there is no guarantee that he will stay there past 30 mins. Last night he woke pretty much every hour to be cuddled and dd2 was up poorly so i am absolutely knackered, oh and dh is home tonight so no doubt i will have to oblige him too !!!

Hello again,

Alas Daisy we are unable to relocate DH office without an extension to this house. We do have a dining room but it is more of a walkway to the kitchen and utility so not exactly quiet and DH spends most of his time on conference calls.

If we had thought about it more perhaps wouldn't have bought this house but ah well too late now and I aint moving again for a very long time!! But yes you are right sleep DOES go to my head WTF!! (Think I may print your joke and put it up on a wall!!)

Haey Ceebs how r u lovie?

I tried both of mine with dummies (even harder with Tinytoes believe me!!) but no interest. Buggers.

LOL at the choc munching Chocgal can I join?!!

Sorry to hear things still not going so well with your mum Pinky but sounds like you have made wise decision to keep your distance for a bit... Perhaps we need our own "Bad Mothers Club" thread to unleash our frustrations on. In fact one prolly exists on here already.

Get well soon to Fudge et al... and Tegan sounds like u also having hard time of it. Sympathies and hugs to u and everyone else what needs it...

obv I thought the book was really reassuring (sp?? aaanyway) It made me feel like I might not be alone in this and that DS really is like a lot of other babies out there.
And that I might just be able to get a handle on it.
I am trying to get rid of the dummy so that there is no reliance on needing to suke himself to sleep on either me or a bit of plastic/rubber/silicone, whatever the heck they are made of.
I have no concerns with him using it in the day, by god I need it, just agree with the book that by removing this association, he may be able to self settle instead of needing me, or it.

three half hour snoozes today not so good.

Golly tegan! Obs hand over that crown we have a winner!!

fudge I was like that for long enough, with DD and her dummy, until a friend suggested a bag for the dummies.
What a godsend!!
I just left a bag in the cot with 2-3 dummies in it plus the one in her mouth and was never called again.
Well, thats not true, now and again, she would lose them all! Then I would be rooting around thinking how do you lose 4 flamin dummies!!?

lol Sparkles indeed it does already exist and there is a lot of support on it. I have been in therapy for a fair few months now and it is helping a lot. It just takes up so much headspace to work through all this stuff. gah.

Tegan you sound stressed out, lovey.Big hugs to you,it's always soo helpful to have someone around to tell you where you are going wrong just whne things are really difficult Personally, I would ask DH to give you a bit of pampering- glasss of wine, nice massage or summat.

Twinks, Daisy, hope you have better nights tonight. Personally, I would leave the dummy well alone, he's only wee. My niece still had a sneaky suck on hers when she got home from infant school! Not saying that's a good thing, just saying you are not doing so bad, as others have said, one thing at a time.

Choc= lol at the chocolate. I cannot leave chocolate alone either. The DC's have made the big cook little cook chocolate train cake for DH for his birthday tomorrow and it is calling to me. DS has the same affliction, I had to hide the last of the jaffa cakes or else there would be no wheels on the train!

ERm there was more. Ceebee you are always so cheery youi make me smile.

Oh yes, Fudge, hope you and yours are better soon.

Not to whine or anything, but how am I not doing so bad DS is still behaving like a newborn, when it comes to sleep.
I gotta do something.
I am losing the plot in the daytime cos I am so tired.
I am not awful or anything, just not myself and I have the paitence of a.... well, I dunno something that has very little.

This associatin thing makes sense to me, but if he still gets his dummy then he is still associating, yes?
Gowd, I just dunno

pinky, my tirade is defo not aimed at you sweety, just that I just don't know what else to try.

Twinkling you sound so down I really feel for you. Re the dummy, yes he is using it as a prop to get to sleep - but the point is that he is going to sleep which really is the most important thing for you all - I use dummies as a prop to tell my DS's that it is time to sleep and it has worked with them both. The dummy goes in and they know it is time to sleep - plus, if he is sucking on it whilst asleep, he (just) may stay asleep for longer than 30 minutes - surely it is worth a try? I think you should just forget about him developing an association etc - worry about that when he is 1 or 2 or whatever and sleeping better etc, not now. I am not sure if that has explained it well

Pinky bless you, I didn't realise that I did always sound cheery

Fudge hope M gets better soon - having a poorly child is no fun at all is it?

He has had the dummy since he came home and it hasn't helped him to sleep for any length of time at all.
2.5 hours initially then every 1.5 after that

I am not against dummies, DD had one until she was 2.5, just a few months ago.

But I am willing to try anything that will get DS to extend his length of sleeping beyond the hour and halves that I get every night.

God, sorry guys, I am such a right miserable moo

Twinks lovey. You sound shattered. Does he not sleep at night at all?

I wonder of rather than removing his dummy, you might just add a few other sleep association things. Mine really like the music box from their mobiles. But I have always breastfed them to sleep on the whole, I think the other things get associated with the bf as a sort of package, IYSWIM. Mimi has been a real suprise to me, the way she settles herself so well, though even she falls asleep on the boob most of the time.

I'm sorry I'm not much help.