Dec 08 mums - from rolling to sitting and everything inbetwean

[waitinggirl]

there i've done it - hope that is ok.

Yep, ds1 has conjunctivitis so no nursery for him tomorrow!

And ds2 has just rolled over both ways . Then I had to rescue him as he managed to get stuck under his chair!

Quick one for the mo'...

Veggie - I found some silicone NUK at our chemist. You're welcome to them - just send me your address via Facebook and I'll pop them in the post tomorrow. We're going on hols on Thurs. If you don't want them, no worries because we use them too!

Just looking in from PoxWatch to say yay for Lal. You must be so relieved. Allow me to treat you to a cup of coffee or something more cheerful on Lordship Lane once we are pox free.

Trace, well done for seeing the doc. You have really been through it, you poor love. Am thinking of you and sending your boob healing vibes.

JJ - feeling for you and lovely S. My DD1 was very similar in terms of sleep and she is a bright little button now, completely adorable (if a little poxed - she looks almost Victorian with clouds of blonde curly hair and a blotchy face. Like Bubbles with spots) although her sleep isn't great. It's bloody hard work though, you have my every sympathy.

Hello everyone else - sorry I can't stay, but I must work. Girls in bed, just feeding M then must fnish my work as I was supposed to hand in yesterday and I won't get asked again if I am always late. I'll try to post more tomorrow once the work is sorted.

Love and good sleep to all.

Lal Great news!

Trace hope the Mastits clears soon and you feel better.

Jump things not good. Agree with Tilly 'this too will pass'.....

Well had a mare with DS today. He refused to sleep from when he woke at 5am. So at 1ish we went to the park. Was pushing DD on a swing and when I looked round he was head to toe in vom! He then proceeded to vomit everywhere (full on projectile) on and off for about 1/2 hour. He was white as a sheet and went really limp which quite terrified me(and it smelled like proper sick, not just milky baby sick). So I stripped him off and drove home with him in his nappy. He feel asleep in the car and when he woke about an hour later was absolutely fine. He's fast asleep now and I keep checking him, his temp is fine and he seems okay but it was just all a bit odd and worrying. DD was more upset that we had to cut short our visit to the park.

Hello everyone,

Firstly, that's great news lal. I'm so pleased for you, what a relief .

trace Well done for being brave at the drs. I don't understand why people can be so about medical stuff. Obviously no one wants to take medication unnecessarily but have a headache, take a paracetomol. I know antibiotics can leave you feeling a bit off but leaving an infection untreated is much worse!

Sounds like you had a dreadful night. P must have needed to be upright to drain off the snot. No fun for you at all. Hope tonight is better.

ladyT Hope you had a better day and DD gave into some naps. this is a really good book about all things reproductive. I read it when trying for a baby and it is really informative. I was a bit that I hadn't known much about my own body before.

JJ LadyT had the right words to describe your day, gruelling. Poor you. I find it really hard when DH isn't home for bathtime, by 6.30 my resources of patience are running very low, I can't imagine doing it most nights. Your DD sounds just so alert and keen not to miss anything, she will be wonderful company when she's a little older - not much comfort at the moment I know.

daisy How awful. I wonder what that was? Glad DS is fine now.

I need a couple of product recommendations! Can anyone recommend a sun shade for the pram? I've seen some advertised with a thing that fits over the hood with a sort of mesh skirt, but can you get ones that are just mesh?

I also need a bath seat support thing, well DD does! veggie where did you get yours from? It sounded really good.

DD has been rather unhappy today. We had to leave the baby and toddler group early as she was screaming so hard! I can only imagine she has more teeth pushing their way through. She aleady has five, it's madness. When will they stop?!

Just a quickie from me....

JJ your DD sounds very similar to mine (she is currently asleep on boob and keeps waking up everytime I move!) so I totally feel for you. Wish I had some words of wisdom for you but all I can say is you're not alone. I am working on the basis that things will settle down once she starts moving around more and starts weaning - fingers crossed....

Fab news Lal.

Veggie I am hoping to visit my parents over the bank holiday so should be able to meet up if you're around.

I would definitely be up for a south london meet up. And did someone mention a zoo visit a while ago? I generally don't need any excuse to go and see the penguins....

Hope everyone is well and good nights to you all....

Jolly I use one of these, I do recommend them as they keep the sun out of their eyes etc.

daisy your poor ds, glad he seems to be better though

sybil is the pox clearing up?

Jolly I use one of these, I do recommend them as they keep the sun out of their eyes etc.

daisy your poor ds, glad he seems to be better though

sybil is the pox clearing up?

Hope everyone has a good night

Oh Daisy, poor you, poor DS and of course poor DD. That is all a but unnecessary of DS.

JJ you are really having a nightmare, I will also hold my hand up and say I have dabbled in CC with ds1 when he was about 14months because I couldn't get him to sleep in his cot during the day, it took ages (like over an hour) of going back in cuddling and settling til he fell asleep and was very hard to do emotionally. But it worked and he went down in his cot easily for about a week. Then we went on holidays and it all went pear shaped. But by then I somehow wasn't so bothered and also that's around the time I spoke to my friend about the pushchair. This time around ds2 seems to be ok with sleeping in his cot during the day, (though womwom noise is losing effect cos back to 45 mins) I have no idea what is different, I am a little better at reading him but i still sometimes leave it too long and he still goes down. otherwise nothing is different except the baby so as has been said before it does come down to them.

Also about the reading them, again while I don't extole leaving them to cry I'm not sure if you remember I while back where I told you ds1 was crying and I couldn't work our why then dh made me leave him and I had a chance to actually stop and listen. Well sometimes you do need to step away give you both sometimes space and give her a chance to tell you while you listen. Sometimes as effie has said the cry may be a tired need to settle cry. If it is that hysterical cry well then you go back and cuddle but give the cry a listen from a distance. And finally just do what feels right. If anything doesn't feel right don't do it. Does that make sense.

Trace I'm sure your friend was well meaning but at the end of the day pain aches and temp mean infection, and symptoms getting worse. also you are feeling a wobbly so another sign of infection. There is some mastitis which is an inflamation through non infective means and these can be sorted through massage etc but they don't have the she signs as yours. That is the sort I keep getting. I think your has been caused by P doing these little nightly nibbles and maybe some shuffles. I have a pack of Fluclox on hand and would def take if it showed signs of infection but so far the homeo stuff is enough.

Lal I'm really so pleased, thanks for letting us know.

Mom I would really appreciate the dummies. I actually went to mothercare today and found some similar shaped ones, but the size was weird the 0-6month ones are tiny and the 6+ are huge. There were also some mothercare brand ones which I bought to go on with but the shape of the holds bit on the outside is weird and squished his face a bit. I will go to our group thing and find you and can't remember what your RL name is so will check there.

Ds2 did a weird thing today he was on his tummy holding a toy a knawing on it with some force and then suddenly he drew his legs up under his body and held himself in a kind of all fours position. It was like the force of him holding the toy and chewing it kind of drew his legs up IYSWIM. DH & I got so excited and both jumped down around him on the floor to get a closer look. He looked up from his toy to see what the commotion was (looked a bit miffed actually) then continued knawing. He made no attempt to rock forward and eventually straightened his legs. No idea if he'll do it again, but was quite funny. Ds1 got in on the excitement too and we took photos. We are very sad parents.

Disinchanted hello lovely to see you. I'm sooooo jealous of your girlie excitement, much as I love my boys a little girl would be lovely. Sorry you've had some hassle about the weaning. I'm a live and let live type of mum, early weaning was a nightmare for me so if anyone tells me to do it I'll headbutt them but if it works for others why change. I would only say of anyone starting early if it doesn't work you can always stop and try again later and don't believe anyone who tells you otherwise (same with TT). As far as BLW a friend who had similar probs to me with her DD and used it for her DS lent it to me but I've only read a page or 2 but don't know if I'll read much more. Surely it all in the title and just common sense. I'm sure most of what we need to know they could put into a pamphlet. But I haven't read it so maybe there is something I'm missing.

I have probably crossed posted as I have taken a phone call and been up to feed ds2 in the time I have been writing this.

Oops, didn't mean to do a ladyt

JB I got in the babies section of toys R us, it was £9.99 which was cheaper than anywhere else.

Pingu that would be lovely, not sure what we are up to bank holiday weekend depends if it's sunny I guess might do some rides, but will be around anyway so can def sort out a coffee.

We are going to Whipsnade this weekend. DH has a cross training comp in Luton in the morning so we are going to go after that. I'm so excited I've always wanted to go.

LadyT Sardinia is lovely. DH and I cycled halfway around is (Cagliari to Olbia) just before I conceived DS1 in 2004. We have a friend who comes from over there and we know most of his family there so on that front it's quite nice. Lots of kids for ds1 to play with. Hope it can happen, we are trying to sort out flights with DH's frequent flyer points. Only prob is we have to fly out of Gatwick so a bit of a trek.

Hi all, v quick one from me as T is screaming from wind (he scoffed the new formula so quickly that his poor tummy can't cope) - I was trying to get him to feed quicker and he did - but is now really unhappy about it . Went to the dietician today and she suggested we start weaning early (he's only 5 months this Sunday) - will see how we go but might try some rice or something simple first. Feels like a big scary world...
Lal, that's great news about the all clear, you must be so relieved .

Pingu, yes yes yes to the zoo, shall we try and organise a date in June for anyone who's interested?

Daisy, about DS, how's he doing now? Hope you get a decent night - and you too, Trace, and JJ - lordy there's a lot of unsettled babies out there now, we must be growing a super brainy bunch...
Oh, Jolly, we have the shade-a-babe, I got it off Ebay, it's a bit cumbersome but does the job...
Sorry, too many elipses, too little brain. Night all.

Veggie - Just invited you (I think!) to be my friend on Facebook. So you should be able to message me your address once we're friends. Then will send the dummies over your way!

Lal hurrah

busy busy busy will read and catch up tom have to head to bed before the monster wakes for his nightly 4 hour play.

Mom do you have paypal?

Lal what great news, and such a relief, phew

Hi disenchanted, great to see you again. My bugbear on weaning (and I may have already said this, so ignore me if I?m being boring) is that everyone tells you not to worry about babies reaching other milestones, such as smiling, rolling over etc, as they will all get there in good time ? yet we?re all supposed to start weaning on a particular day, surely this too will vary? If your DD likes it, then stick with it

Trace what a rough patch you?re going through, I hope the mastitis clears up quickly, it sounds very nasty. I also hope you get some better sleep soon, you really need it ? big hugs coming your way

And JJ, a big hug to you too. I tried a bit of CC last week, as DD was waking more often at night not hungry but wanting a 2 minute boob suck to get back to sleep. I told myself I could go in to her if she changed from grizzling to proper crying, and hovered outside her door for what felt like 7 hours but was actually only 7 minutes until she was fast asleep again. Of course I didn?t sleep until she woke, this time hungry, 3 hours later. But every night since then she?s been an angel and just wakes once when she does actually need a change and a feed. But I agree completely with Effie about it being dependent on the type of crying

Arti how was the personal training? I always think I should do something like that, but never get my act together. And today?s thought ? why is round and wobbly and dimply such a good look for DD?s bottom, but such a bad look for mine? It?s not fair, she has the loveliest bottom ever

Kayz I am very impressed you made DS?s christening cake ? are you icing it as well? I am passing that task onto MIL (see below)

LadyT when watching Badminton I almost said to my sis ?my friend?s there, look out for her, but I don?t know what she looks like? but stopped myself before she thought I was going mad! I hope DD allowed a good stretch of time for some work today?

Tilly I hope your DS1?s conjunctivitis clears up, its so itchy and nasty, poor little man

Thanks for the sympathy on DH?s pathetic attempt at covering for me ? I am feeling much better today, and I think he realised how useless he was as he made a joke about taking his turn for 35 minutes in a self deprecating (do I mean that? It?s a long word, I?m not good with long words) way. And I also think that LadyT hit the nail on the head with confidence ? I hadn?t thought of that before, but he always takes ages to dry DD after her bath till she gets cold and in a right tizzy and tonight when I suggested she?d be happier if he just got it over and done with, he said he?s scared of being too rough and hurting her when he dresses her. Any suggestions on how to tactfully point him in the right direction?

And on living next door to the in laws, they are wonderful and I feel endlessly lucky when I read WG?s and Kayz? tales of horrific MIL?s. They are so good about respecting our privacy, a little too good in fact, I can sometimes realise I?ve not seen them for about a week and then feel guilty. I only have one complaint ? MIL is the perfect farmer?s wife and always has several cakes on the go, mmm. But because she bakes so often there?s always too much, so she puts what she doesn?t eat (which is a lot of cake) on the bird table, which is right outside my back door ? you don?t know how much it pains me to see the birds and other wildlife eating all the lovely cakes. One day my willpower will fail me and I will actually steal a cake off there

Right, off to get some sleep ? I will try and send some zzz?s over to Trace and JJ

Goodnight all, thanks for the good wishes and thoughts. Hope to be contributing more positively to the basket again soon! We discovered a second little tooth shoving its way out this evening so that may well be part of the disturbability - with any luck she'll be cheerier again soon. veggie you're right in that I do tend to rush to her too quickly, need to learn to give her a bit of space - don't want to be oppressive mum in the future! Will catch up with everyone properly tomorrow but for now, thanks so much for your support, it really makes such a difference and you're lovely

Those interested in a South London meetup...Does the first week of June work for everyone? What days of the week generally?

Hi Verso! Welcome back I hope.

Lal - Great news! What a relief.

PMK - Too bad about weather and hope you have an uneventful trip back!

LadyT - Amazed at your DD?s awake periods in the day! I shudder to think about the decibels of screams that we would have here if DS did that. If he is awake for 2 hours in a row he has a meltdown. He is happy as anything when he is well rested, but if he clicks over into even 5 minutes of overtiredness, watch out. Babies who fight sleep and are screamy when overtired = bad combination. Sounds like your DD is mostly a very settled little soul, so probably just an off day or two. The sling is my only salvation on those days (but only tied so he is on my hip so he can see out?he goes mental if I try to face him inwards).

JJ - My DS is usually ready for a sleep only 1 hour after waking up. I can never believe it, but if I leave him any longer he kicks off. I also am noticing that suddenly he sleeps much better in his bed/hammock in the day, where it used to be only buggy or sling. I have started doing the full NCSS sleep routine before the morning/mid day sleeps and putting him in his bed (gro bag, dark room, white noise, breast feed, etc.) and he is sleeping much much better (more often than not, that is). I also did the NCSS trick of creeping in after 30-40 mins to try to catch them before they wake up properly and patting or sticking dummy in to get a longer sleep. I have now learned that if my DS wakes up smiling, he is finished napping (even if it was only 20 mins) but if he is grizzling and rubbing his eyes he needs more sleep, which usually means bouncing hammock, sticking dummy in or feeding back to sleep. Then in the afternoon I?m usually out and about and he is sometimes whingey/screamy but much less so if he has a couple of good sleeps in his bed in the AM. Probably not at all helpful to you as it sounds like you are just trying absolutely everything. It is so hard when they suddenly change ? just when you think you?ve cracked it, you have to learn something totally new. No consolation, but your DD sounds like a total livewire (in the best possible way) and will probably be a hilarious little person as she grows up.

Effie - Great links to Ask Moxie. Thanks for those!

Sybil - Here?s hoping the pox lifts soon and that we can bring together the East-Dulwich- and-environs mums soon.

I agree with Lal about 5 month old babies ? such a fun age so far, well except for the protracted periods of unsettledness and terrible sleeping. DS is suddenly very smiley, even with strangers, and I?ve got a few tricks that almost always get a laugh. Hanging him upside down, for one. Kooky boy.

DH claims that DS rolled over today (front to back). Apparently he did it twice but then couldn?t do it again. DH had DS in the nude (DH is obsessed with the mobility restrictions related to nappies?.relax already! I?m sure DS will figure out how to move even with bulky nappies?!) and he rolled over twice then peed on the couch.

Had a decent string of nights over the last couple of weeks and then last night went royally tits up. Cue numerous wakings (feed every time?what else do you do?!) and MOM having insomnia after the 4 am feed. I lay there frantically planning how I was going to wean DS off the dummy, wean him off the Amby hammock, etc., etc. Perhaps I should stop worrying about any of it and just sleep?!

Speaking of weaning, Disenchanted I gave DS a spoonful of pureed apple today. He seemed to love it. I mostly just let him play with the spoon and lick it off. He is 5 months on Saturday. He didn?t seem to have any tongue reflex that pushed the food out? I also gave him some cooled boiled water in a cup and he also loved that! He has been trying to grab any cup or bottle that I am holding, so thought I would let him have a go. I know it it isn?t supposed to matter if they are big babies, but he is big (probably 20 lbs at least now) and he was also 2 weeks late, and he really seems to get excited about new flavours. I will probably just keep letting him try a few things here and there, more for fun (and something to do!) than anything else.

Sorry to hear about so many poorly babies and mums. DS has had multiple colds with nasty chest coughs in his short life ? it is so miserable when they are unwell. Especially when people say ?Oh, he has ANOTHER cold. Tut tut?, as if it is my poor hygiene practices that have made him ill or something?! Haven?t yet had to deal with major things like projectile vomiting or pox, but I?m sure it is all set to come my way in good time.

I?m off on hols on Thurs, but looking forward to catching up when I get back and hopefully to a South London meet up at some point in June.

A tooth popping through will def do it. It's one of those 'aahhh of course' moments that happens everytime a tooth pops out. Yet we never seem to pick it up when it's happening. Well I don't.

Speaking of teeth, ds1 had his first proper dental appointment today and he was a star. It was all over in about a minute which I think surprised him but he was so cute. He was all very serious but the dentist was being all light hearted so he looked so funny being all stern.

Veggie - Why don't you just buy me a coffee sometime when you are able to join us for a London meetup? Consider it my payment for all of your breastfeeding/homeopathy/other advice on this thread!

JJ - Aha! A tooth. I keep peering into DS's gob hoping to see one of those (physical manifestation of unsettledness) but no luck yet. Hope you get a bit of a break before the next one!

Oh Mom that is so lovely, I can easily sort out to pay you back and get you a coffee to say thanks I really really appreciate it. I guess the coffee promise would mean I would just have to come down to London sometime

Mom I haven't got your friend request. I'm off to bed now if I can get myself off this couch!

Morning!!

Zoe I am icing the cake too. I'm also making little cupcakes for people like me that hate fruit cake. I have asked my mum to help me ice it though.

Jump I hope once the tooth comes through she'll calm down. No signs of teeth here but lots and lots of dribbling.

Hope everyone is well. I'm exhausted because I just couldn't sleep last night. Then DH had to get up for work at 6 and DS1 woke up too.