Dec 08 mums - from rolling to sitting and everything inbetwean

[waitinggirl]

there i've done it - hope that is ok.

Good morning all,

WG your mil is cracked end of You are most definately tired through lack of sleep, not bf imo.

DS was 6 months on Sunday, he beat LadyT and Verso's lo's to it by hours. He now has a puree of description once a day. Yesterday I lovingly pureed a cauli with a bit of cheese sauce - a hit!! Just not sure when to increase meals/portions etc. I really can't remember what I did with DD.

DS was also sick as a dog last night. I went to check on him at 8.30pm, and he had vomitted all over his cot and was caked in it, eyes, ears, head. Maybe the cauli didn't agree after all, although he did have it at lunch time. Anyway we had to wake him to clear him up. But he went back to sleep okay ans is as right as rain this morning. This is his second bout of random vomming - very strange! Anyone else experience similar?

Oh yes - and didn't women BF babies fine way back during the war when they were only taking in about 600 calories or something?

Morning all,
JJ hooray for a great wedding and great sleeping!
wg sorry to hear about wedding hotel disaster. Good story though about the buzz lightyears, etc! I don't know about bfing making you tired. I guess it depends on if she's just saying it to be nice, in which case say "Thankyou yes I am tired, maybe it is that, could you make me a nice cup of tea?" or whether it's a subversive comment to suggest it's about time to give up bfing. Though given previous form I suspect it's the latter. I always thought when people said bfing makes you tired they were referring to the fact that you are responsible for all the feeding which is hard work! But I suppose your body is having to produce the milk and as we know this "supposedly" takes extra calories (bitter dieter speaks there)
Re the nasty names thing, I occasionally say really mean things to DS jokingly like "You're pointless, you don't do much do you?", obviously this is a joke and said in a nice voice, but I MUST stop this soon as clearly when he understands me this would be awful!
DS has a cold he is all snuffly and sneezy but doesn't seem too bothered. Though he's been really hard to get to sleep over the past couple of days, I think it might be the heat, anyone else had any problems?
We had a great bank holiday weekend, nothing was planned which was great, met up with friends, went on a steam train, went into Cambridge and round the parks/gardens etc. Lovely.
Right. I haven't posted for ages, so I am sure I have missed loads, but am going to make most of rest of little man's nap time by doing some tidying up

Hi all, been lurking all weekend but struggled to summon up the energy to post!
WG, so sorry to hear about your rubbish hotel, I think you did exactly the right thing but that won't have made your experience any better! I hope you're able to treat yourself by spending the money you were refunded on a night somewhere much nicer! And at your MIL's comments, i am happy to meet her and show her the face of an exhausted FFer . Are you still potentially around for a swim on Thursday? DP and I took T yesterday for the first time and he loved it! I thought he'd be way too cold (I was!) but he was fine in his little spotty speedos...
Sorry about your poor DS, Daisy, I'm sure it wasn't your culinary expertise wot done it. T often voms for no good reason, (although obviously he has previous on this), but I've found he's puking more when he's eaten too much of something he really likes (e.g sweet potato) - as the volume is smaller than milk he stuffs himself but doesn't have an "I'm full" feeling until it's too late! He's also being more sick since he's been drooling for England in his sleep and swallowing it all....In terms of quantities, I'm giving T fruit or veg puree and a bit of baby rice at his lunch and dinner feeds, seems to be going down a treat so far but not had any effect on his night waking.
Effie, I so feel for you coming to the end of the Sopranos, it's a real toss up for me between that and The Wire for Best Box Set - oh, and Six Feet Under but that's a different thing. Have bought Deadwood to see how it goes.. Glad you had fun at your 1950s day out yesterday,it sounds great. Maybe we could come and visit next Tues or Weds?
PMK, I'm afraid I have no advice here on dummy removal, I tend to use it to help T nap but he spits it out pronto, there's probably an expert on here who can help, otherwise you could maybe try the "Pull out" technique from The No Cry Sleep Solution?
Still cough central around here though not as bad. Am fed up of being banished to sleep on the sofa .
Better go, my sis is about to be on Radio 4, more later.

X posts SL, I agree, I call T "little fatty fat fat" (v inventive as you can see), should probably try and cut down on the number of "fats" so I'm down to just "little" by the time he can understand me. Same with "little smello".

Morning all. Miserable day here - might have to check out soft play today. Ooh I wish I was in the flippin Algarve.

wg your hotel thing sounds a nightmare. On the bf front, I have to say that I felt noticeably less tired when I stopped feeding DS (but then I was 6 months pg plus I am a clapped-out old bag). However, regardless of whether you are tired from bf or not, the assumption that you would or should automatically put your own comfort above what you feel is best for your baby is something that really pisses me off. When I was struggling to bf DS in the early days I got so sick of people trying to persuade me to give up, as if I'd just been waiting for someone to say I'd tried hard enough now and had their permission to stop. Some people just don't get that you might choose to breastfeed despite the inconvenience, the tiredness etc. You want to bf. DD wants to bf. And you're doing brilliantly at it. Why is that not enough for your MIL?

pmk have you seen this site? You put in your shopping list and it calculates the cheapest from the delivery services available in your area. Can't vouch for it myself though - have only used online shopping once (Tesco) and it was rubbish. Fruit fromage frais instead of the creme fraiche I needed for a recipe that night, 12 kilos of potatoes instead of 2, that kind of thing. More hassle than it was worth. Mind you that was about 9 years ago now! Might give it another go some time now I'm out in the sticks.

TV programs - I have yet to see a single episode of The Sopranos, the West Wing, 24, The Wire, you name it. Am I also the only person who has yet to see Flight of the Conchords? So, what's the definitive list of what I am missing? Mind you, I'm having a hard time keeping up with just the Apprentice and (ahem) Corrie at the moment. Am thinking of jettisoning Corrie mind - I love it at its best but it is frankly rubbish at the moment.

Being nagged, gotta go...

Good grief DS has been 'napping' in HIS COT for an hour and a half now!!!!!

pd - i hadn't done any of the box sets until dh persuaded me to start hte west wing a couple of years ago - it took 2 eps and i was hooked. tehre followed 8 months of joy most evenings. i cried when it finished.

i tried to watch some flight of the conchords after everyone was raving about it on here, and while finding it aimiable and the fake music videos are unbelievably fantastic, it only makes me smile. nothing like the quite literal laugh out loud a minute pace of 30 rock.

thank you for your bf advice/experiences.

WG my mum is just like your MIL - kept on about how BF was "taking it out of me" etc etc. It >is< tiring, but as others have said, looking after a baby and FF is also tiring.

Yes, another good night last night. Blimey you lot with good sleepers must feel brilliant all the time! The 5am starts aren't great, but soooooo much better than being up 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7... times a night. I can't complain!

Back to work next week... urgh

Hi everyone, hope you've all had a good bh . We've been to a friend's wedding this weekend which was really nice. Dh & I enjoyed having a bed with no small children climbing into it for a change, plus a friend & I were holding out for 11pm as that was an adult time to go to bed . It does feel like we've been all over the country though, passed Veggie in Derby, Kayz, Jolly & Zj in North Yorks & even Indith in Durham!

njan I hadn't realised you had lost your mum recently, sorry you're having a bit of a tough time

verso glad to have you back, how was the interview? So happy to hear that dd2 had a good sleep last night!

zj have a nice holiday, glad dd's passport arrived in time!

daisy I liked your dd's comment about ds being her best friend, so sweet!

trace it is not to feel angry at dh's at times isn't it, even though there's nothing they can really do! Sorry to hear about your nan, my nan had alzeimers too (sp)

kayz re the comment about weight loss, I think it depends on which mw you get unfortunately! Daft I know, as all mws have the same training! Glad you had a good meet, though boo on the headache, hope it went away quickly.

pmk at thought of ttc already! Dh keeps dropping hints about a 3rd but I'm not sure. I have moments of wouldn't it be nice but generally its a resounding no!
Btw, I've sent you an email about swimming in case you're wondering who its from! But I've just seen you're thinking about the Virgin so never mind, ignore if you like!

veggie hope you're feeling better too. Glad dh took the boys out for you.

sybil poor you, can't believe the pox fairy is visiting again. Hope you're out from house arrest soon!

effie lol at you mixing up gorillas & guerrillas, sounds like something I'd do!

jump glad you had a good time at the wedding, so what were the groom & best man up to?!

modern glad you had a nice time at your parents. What team does your dh play for? Reason I ask is dh also plays hockey & has matches at Battersea so they've probably played each other before, or maybe even for the same team!

ladyt sorry your team lost. We've just started watching The Wire. I do like it but having trouble keeping up, I fear pg brain may be lasting!

wg sorry you had a bad hotel experience, glad they gave you your money back. How is dd now, is she any better? Btw, your mil is talking rubbish re bf. As others have said, your diet has to be pretty awful for you to be losing vitamins. I think Ladyt's comment is a good one!

Re names, we do call ds2 'chunker' again another one to stop as soon as he can understand us!

Thanks to everyone who's sponsored me for Race for Life as well, you've all been really generous . Its spurring my training on!

We call DS1 'chuckles' and DS2 'Munchkin' or 'Munchie'. I think it is cute to have little nicknames for them.

Hi - hope everyone had a good BH. Ours was busy - Birmingham, Cheltenham and back again. The kids love visiting relatives, just not the travelling part. I like it when we travel at night, then DH and I get to have a conversation...

Someone was asking about shopping online - tried tescos - a bit rubbish, loads of substitutions and short dates with no warning, the last time all the ham, chicken, etc I bought for sandwiches was going out of date the next day. Not impressed. Sainsburys, different story, brilliant and free for over 100 quid during the week. And if they are a minute late over the time slot, you get a voucher for a tenner. The only time its good to have local roadworks

Hope things are improving for the pox-ridden and bad sleepers

WG Breast feeding makes me feel tired during the actual act, and I have fallen asleep a few times while doing it when I didnt feel tired before. But I think this is some kind of hormone that makes it easier for you to synchronize yours and babies sleeping pattern. I think its probably just as tiring to FF, I would find it difficult to go to sleep after getting up, leaving the bedroom, mixing and warming feeds in the night. I suppose the only difference is FF can be shared, with a willing partner.

WRT to nicknames, DS1 was pumpkin and DS2 is button, sorry a bit twee. For some reason DH calls DS1 "sausagehead"....

njan we often travel at night as well, then the dcs sleep, & as you said, I get to have a bit of a chat with dh!

Evening girls,

I have just made such a rubbish Thai curry. I am a crap cook. There is no false modesty there, I am not secretly a fantastic cook. I don't like cooking and that is probably why I am rubbish, it is no different to me to any other housework and I don't like that either...

Welcome back from your travels, Tilly and NJAN - I am off to my Mum's in the Midlands tomorrow until Friday so I won't be on again until then. But I will be tuning in on my phone! And only posting in dire emergency because I think you remember what happens when I do/when I do/when I do/when I do/

PD, I long to get into an American drama but haven't since Six Feet Under ages ago (Spot, you mentioned that). I will let you know about 30 Rock and The Wire, though I am very hopeful about 30 Rock after what WG said. It does bug me that US telly is broadly superior to our stuff. And don't even get me started on British comedy...

Good luck back at work, Verso! Wow. Feeling good about your return? Who's next? I am back in July but as it's from home it doesn't count!

Cheery pip everyone. Got more typing to do for DP.

whats wrong with British comedy? Mitchell & Webb, the mighty Boosh hilarious!! oh though i do wish i could find that 'we can be heroes' DVD for you LadyT, the other series by Chris Lilly, you would seriously wet yourself. I do have a soft spot for Australian comedy. I want to have a look at 30 rock too, do i have to get on DVD or is it on a catch up or TV on demand type thing? I'm not at home at the moment so can't check the telly.

Tilly can you post your fundraising page again i keep missing it. Oh and thanks again lovely ladies DH hasn't sent out a message to anyone yet so is feeling a bit guilty that you lovely ladies have been so generous. I think he knows his friends will be a bit scuzzy. Who is CK by the way, i recognised all the other names but not this one.

We are in Warwick now we decided to drive down this evening both boys are asleep and DH has gone out to get some dinner. Hoping they have a baby listening service as we want to go to the bar tomorrow to watch the game.

was thinking about the driving at night conversations. When i was a kids because anywhere we went on holidays in Australia took 7hrs+ to drive to we used to get up at 3am to leave at 4am. We would all pile into the car and promptly fall back to sleep then sometime around lunchtime we would arrive but still all quite sleepy. I think mum & dad figured that would keep up quite sedate in the car, and it did.

Verso you are a machine, i don't know how you do it. I get a reasonable sleep but that's because we co-sleep, and I still find some days quite difficult. Any chance of DH doing more overnight when you go back to work?

DS1 had his MMR and DTP today, oh he was soooooo brave. I told him it would hurt and he was such a soldier. He march in rolled up his sleeves and got on my lap to have his injections. The nurse was great she very sensibly drew up the imms in a room adjacent and was quite swift with the first one. But bless him his little face crumpled and even though he told me he wouldnt cry (i had told him that it was alright to cry) poor little man he cuddled into me then obediently changed sides to have the 2nd one he flinched a little for it but in general stayed so still but then cried more. She gave him a lovely big colourful bravery certificate which really did the trick he is so proud of it. He showed his dad and is going to take it to nursery next week. She also gave him 2 stickers and he was so chuffed with them. I'm glad that's it for a while. I always marvel at the poor little brave ones i have to give injections to at work, but i feel even more esteem for their mums having to watch their babies go through so much pain. The friend who has the son i mentioned on the justgiving site she made a youtube video of him to help raise awareness and it is so heartbreaking. Poor little muffin.

Hooray for the magic cot napping baby, if DS2 goes that long i usually end up waking him because i have to go in to check he is ok. Was a little the other day when DH looked after the boys so i could pop out DS2 slept in his cot for 2 hours!!! WTF what am i doing different? little monkey, he does quite love his daddy and nearly jumps out of his skin to be held by him when he hears or sees DH, but to sleep longer for him whats that about?

Oh and LadyT you mentioned a cricket book your late DH wrote i would be quite interested in that for a friend who is cricket mad. Not in the Aussie cricket yob type way but in the nice cricket nerd type way.

here you go veggie

ladyt I much prefer american drama series as well. The only problem I have is trying to keep up with them!

. Hurrah. Back online. And found you. And haven't even thought about catching up. But will do. And missed you all. And hope all is ok. Fine here. Although obviously shenanigans. Will make proper effort tomorrow. DH and I are such sad cases that we've gone to bed early to listen to radio 4 drama and he's not happy that I've taken first opportunity to come here. Good nights one and all.

Although quickly I did notice Wg saying you cried when WW finished. I've watched the whole series through both pregnancies . I love it in an unhealthy way.

I was being a bit flippant Veggie, there are some good current British comedies. Not many sitcoms though. A lot fewer than there should be, though. Most US sitcoms are team written and we have just started doing that here...with mixed success. My theory is that British writers don't work so well in groups!

Aw, your little lad was a real brave soldier, I reckon.

Oh, the book is (and I am going to separate it with asterisks and things because I don't want it being googled - Penguins£*Stopped8)&!Play. Hope you can get it from that! I am not being biased (honest) but it is completely and utterly fantastic. And very funny, even if you don't like cricket.

I am packing for me and DD for Wed-Fri. It takes ages. Mind her, it's not all her. I don't travel very light

Some of the above post doesn't make sense. Towards the end of the day, my contact lenses make me tired and mental.

Welcome back Lal. Hope the shenanigans weren't too shenanigansy.

Hey, Oli is another person who hasn't been on for a while. Hello Oli And Nolda.

Ho ho he's fallen asleep now so I'm back. We were listening to the Smiley play from Saturday. For those of you who love a box set I can heartily recommend tinker tailor solder spy Is brilliant. In BBC in the 1970s way.

LadyT the book is brilliant. I bought it for my DH when it first came out. Even before I knew you though the end made me cry. But rest of it is very funny. And very well written. One of those books that stays in your head.

DS has been a bit off colour recently - he's getting over a cold and I was trying to get him to tell me where he felt ill earlier on. I kept asking him where he was feeling poorly and making suggestions until eventually he got really exasperated and said 'I'm feeling poorly in the sitting room mummy'. Which made me laugh for the rest of the day.

Right. Going to try to catch up.

Ah Lal, hooray, you liked the book!

It's nice to listen to radio plays and things (good ones), I know what you mean. We listened to an audio book in the car recently (unabridged, took yonks) and it was so good. My very first proper job was buying up the unabridged audio rights to books and I probably haven't listened to any since - until this recent one. DP likes the afternoon plays on Radio 4 but I can't often hack them. But Book at Bedtime and Book of the Week are often really good. I am keen on radio comedy as well.

Anyway, I don't know why I am gassing on like this! I am still packing.

Am slowly catching up... but arti I just wanted to say I saw your thing about work and that is absolute bollocks. I am SCS and although it is often an ass that there are relatively few people in our situation (and frankly quite shocking that I seem to have the same arguments at work that my Mum had) they have to do better than that. Not least because that isn't part time or flexible.

I'm not a great person to get advice from as my attitude in these sort of situations tends to the go and set the building on fire end of the spectrum. But maybe worth trying the HR threads on here? I've seen some quite sane advice. Other than that - I'd take a deep breath, work out what you'd want (and if you were your boss what you would think was reasonable - i.e. how can you structure the job so it will fall within hours). And point out as diplomatically as you can that without being able to be flexible on these things they are in effect precluding women with childcare responsibilities from jobs like this. Which is probably not their intention. Or even if it was, not one that they would want calling out on.

Grrrr.

Also we stayed in some lovely hotels while we were away. Hideously expensive though. So were with family for the rest of the time. Can recommend as a tactic - means you can stay somewhere really lovely and feels like double escape . This is crap advice as beyond time now, but we've always used sitters dot co dot uk for babysitting while we're away in UK. They're fab. Woman that came to sit with the DCs while we were at SIL's wedding brought games for DS. And was really lovely with DD. Who is getting so big now. I can't remember anything about weaning so feel like am starting from scratch again. Have chickened out of BLW (again) though as know I will be absolutely useless with gagging.

Also setting your building on fire might have wider constitutional implications. Although on plus side pool of possible suspects would be quite large at the moment.