October 08 - A spoonful of sugar* (*not recommended as a first food)

[CantSleepWontSleep]

Have done shortened stats this time, just for those of us who seem to still be around.

10th Sept (Due 1st Oct) - loulou33 - Boy - Joe Louis David - 6lbs 12oz - Induction due to rhesus sensitivity, G&A.
16th Sept (Due 8th Oct) - Ksal - Girl - Emma Rae - 6lbs - Just beat induction for PE!
21st Sept (Due 5th Oct) - myjobismum - Girl - Naomi Caitlin - 5lbs 10oz - Fast and furious hospital birth.
22nd Sept (Due 10th Oct) - Lozza70 - Boy - Sander Gene - 7lbs 5oz - Em C-Sec due to raised BP and high ALTs from liver.
2nd Oct (Due 12th Oct) - star6 - Boy - Quinlan - 5lbs 15oz - 36hr labour, ventouse and stitches.
3rd Oct (Due 26th Sept) - purpleflower - Girl - Rebecca Jill Erzsebet - 8lbs 10.5oz - Homebirth with paramedics due to meconium.
4th Oct (Due 30th Sept) - Aubergenie - Boy - Stanley - 7lbs 12oz -
5th Oct (Due 4th Oct) - hedgepig - Boy - Oliver - 6lbs 3oz -
5th Oct (Due 29th Sept Oct) - CherryChoc - Boy - Ryan - 6lbs 11oz - 3 day labour with natural birth in hospital
8th Oct (Due 6th Oct) - ronshar - Boy - William Dexter - 7lbs 11oz -
9th Oct (Due 17th) - Marthasmama - Girl - Martha - 7lbs 10oz - Elective c-sec
10th Oct (Due 1st Oct) - CantSleepWontSleep - Boy - Duncan Elliot - 8lbs 4oz - 4 day induction with 1 hour established labour!
12th Oct (Due 4th Oct) - pistachio - Boy - Thomas Fraser - 10lbs 2oz - Homebirth.
13th Oct (Due 15th Oct) - mum2jakeyroo/jrsqueak - Boy - Joshua - 7lbs 2oz - Delivered in car by dh!
16th Oct (Due 17th Oct) - rowanmac - Girl - Anna Ruth - 7lbs 2oz - 2 hours ARM to placenta delivery.
16th Oct (Due 11th Oct) - heather1980 - Boy - Alexander James - 9lbs 5oz - Homebirth
17th Oct (Due 10th Oct) - pepperrabbit - Girl - Jessica Rose - 7lbs 15.5oz -
24th Oct (Due 29th Oct) - Ekka - Boy - Matthew - 7lbs 15oz - Home water birth with gas and air.
26th Oct (Due 20th Oct) - jenwa - Girl - Phoebe Jasmine - 9lbs 2.5oz -
1st Nov (Due 22nd Oct) - SmudgeyDoodle - Girl - - 8lbs 2oz - Hospital water birth.
5th Nov (Due 29th Oct) - Honeymoonmummy - Girl - Poppy Grace - 6lbs 15oz -
5th Nov (Due 30th Oct) - MamaG - Boy - Harry James - 10lbs 9oz - Em C-Sec. Back to back and knotted cord around neck. 24 hours of labour first though, and don't you forget it!

Thanks Aubergenie, but you're having a tough time with S too! It would be easier if I didn't have ds to get sorted in the mornings as I would just keep M upstairs until she went back to sleep. S needs the milk to maintain his physique, body builders have to eat lots of meals through out the day. He's such a scrummy little man.

Heather and Aubergenie - Let me know how you get on with the cloth nappies. I had some Wonderoos but gave them away as I thought I'd never use them. My default setting is lazy so I need something easy to use. I don't mind washing, in fact putting a wash on and getting it sorted is my favourite household chore. But I can't be bothered with faffing and inserts and padding and liners and folding and and and and.....!

My MIL often over-rules me. She seems to act like DH and I are playing at being parents. She won't take our rules seriously. We were having a real problem with ds's behaviour when he was about 3.5 and he was very defiant & willful. We were trying to leave her house and he wanted another cherry, I said no, get your shoes on, he threw a wobbler so MIL went out into the garden to pick him some more cherries and gave them to him. I was and glared at DH. Ds looked at me and smiled as he gobbled up his cherries. She often collects ds from school on a Thursday and we have repeatedly asked her NOT to just feed him cereal, crips, general rubbish, but she just won't listen. She gives him all this crap then moans to us that he's been naught because he didn't eat his dinner I wonder why?! Plus she's obsessed with her bloody dog. Grrrrr

Morning all! Just a quickie as Poppy is asleep and I should be making the most of it by tidying. We are going for our first Puddle Ducks class today so am rather excited about that. Right, am off to tidy...

MM- I know, but at least I get to sleep in till about 8, as S isn't an early riser, so my total number of hours sleep is not too bad. It's just broken. You're right about him needing his food - I just started to doubt myself when my friend was talking. I don't really know why I'm taking it personally as I know that S is a happy little chap.

The other day she asked me whether I fed S whenever he wanted, and when I said yes, she said, "Oh, I don't allow snacking.". My own view is that I wouldn't expect anyone to deny me a drink if I'm thirsty so why should I deny S, but I wouldn't say that to her, because it sounds like a criticism of her way of doing things, and obviously that's her choice. I never realised how loaded this whole motherhood thing can be!

Right. Just painted my toenails. That's enough "tidying" for one day.

Need to go wake Poppy now to take her for weigh-in. It's been two weeks and I'm optimistic it's gonna be a good one!

Hello- I'm quite new to MN and was wondering if I could join your Oct08 club? My ds (first) was born on 28th Oct. He's doing really well, has two teeth, can roll now and I've just started feeding him which so far is going well.

Sleeping has become a bit of a nighmare- from about 11 weeks he slept from 10-6am which was fab but I had that sinking feeling of it being too good to be true. Now he goes to bed earlier, between 8-9pm but then wakes up every 4 hours for food. It's frustrating because during the day he often refuses his bottle, maybe having 4oz if I'm lucky but at night he's awake like clockwork and drains the whole 7oz!

I saw from some of your previous posts that many of you are still having nights of broken sleep which I can really sympathise with but I'm also reassured by. I had a load of e-mails from mum's I met at ante-natal classes yesterday full of stories of full nights sleep so I was beginning to feel a bit alone in this. I'm just kind of hoping that he will settle down, maybe once he is on two/three meals a day? But then I worry that maybe I should be getting him into some kind of routine, but have no idea how to do this?

Anyway sorry this is a bit rambly, I wasn't sure how much to put in a first post..this is probably too much

Hello Rachie and welcome to the no sleep club. And don't worry you haven't put too much in your first post.

Hello and welcome Rachie! You'll get lots of sympathy for lack of sleep here.

Pistachio - ds also usually falls straight back to sleep. It hadn't occurred to me to interpret that as a sign that he must have been hungry but of course, that makes sense. He'd carry on crying if it was something else, wouldn't he? That makes me feel a bit better.

of nice painted toenails HMM.

Hello RachieW... no advice to offer here, unfortunately, but welcome!!

aubergine - i just got the inserts that came with the nappies, i have quite a few different ones, i mainly use tots bots cottons but i have a baby beehinds that i like, a few bumhuggers, a fuzzibuns that i hate coz it always leaks and a dry bees that alex is just growing into. dh laughs at my nappy obsession.

rachiew- welcome. i swear it's boys. my dd sleeps like a dream, ds however is still up every 3 hrs in the night.

a mum at dds ballet class had a 2 week old with her today and i was sooooo broody for the next one dh and i have decided to wait till we move house as we only have a 2 bed house, but she was so cute and tiny.

hmm - good luck with the weigh in, alex is 27 weeks and still hasn't been to the baby clinic yet bad mummy!

Heh heh - Yay Heather! I'm sooooo broody too! My friend has just had her ds and he is so beautiful. The pictures of all the your dc as beautiful newborns makes me broody too. And M is a girl and I am a founder member of the no sleep club How easy are the cloth nappies to use? I really need something that's as easy as to use a disposable. You know, just grab, put on, take off, wash, dry and ready to go again.

Ha ha ha ha ha Aubergenie
I didn't say they were nicely painted. My still-huge belly precludes a really good look at them

Welcome to the madhouse Rachie!

the itti bitty is an all in one you just snap the boosters in with press studs. the tots bots need a wrap, i use the nippa ones but you can get velcro ones. the bumhuggers are my current fav you can stuff them but i don't generally as they have a fold out booster. the beehind uses press studs and again you need a wrap.

i find them very easy, dd is in huggies and i find cloth just as easy.

Oh dear Heather, that was all a bit Greek to me! I'm confused! I like the prettiness of the itti bitty though.

Just go for the most expensive one MM

I've just borrowed some from the local real nappies club but wasn't that enthralled. I don't like the fact they are soaking wet next to baby's skin. I've just bought some of those recyclable nappies so will give them a go when the huggies run out.

eco friendly nappies are a total con. rubbish tips are anaerobic so they still wont break down eco friendly or not.

you can put a fleece liner between the nappy and the baby and it stops the baby from feeling wet.

Oi hmm, are you being cheeky? I used those eco nappies with ds and found them a bit rough. They may have improved since then though.

don't like eco nappies. Since dh and I are both at work full time it's hard for us to find time to do reusable nappies... we try, but my friend doesn't like them (and she looks after Q while I'm at work) so it's really only afternoon/overnight and weekends that we can use them. And overnight is not the best time as he wets quite heavily then.

MM ? it sounds like you need an ?all in one? so there aren?t any parts to assemble. These new totsbots are really nice, the colours are lovely and, unlike the ones that we?ve just bought, they?re birth to potty, so you don?t need to buy the next size up, as you just put them on the next popper. I had a voucher to spend, and couldn?t find anywhere that would take it for these, otherwise I?d have got these. Also, I think it?s all about finding the right fit for your baby, so you could just get one and see how M gets on.

I mix and match washables and disposibles, and always use pampers at night.

Hey ladies if you tried EC then you wouldnt need any nappies at all.

Welcome RachieW. We are all crazy crazy here.
We mist be as some of the loonies are even thinking of having more

There was I taking full advantage of Sander's nap time catching up on MN and I forgot a pan of water I had put on to boil. I was wondering what the burning smell was! I thought you brain was supposed to go back to normal after you had the baby not still be forgetting things now!

Jenwa thanks for the blowing raspberries tip to try and prevent Sander from turning over when I am changing him. It seems to be distracting him for the moment and the wall beside his changing mat has been prevented from looking like a dirty protest

Welcome Rachie I'm a strong believer that sleeping through means different things to different people so I don't get too worried about other babies. We are still waking up once or twice a night most nights but I did get a lie in until 6.30 this morning so I celebrate the little, infrequent, victories!

I'm an auntie again this week. DS had 2 wee boys on Tuesday. Only at 32 weeks but everyone is okay even though the boys are in incubators for a while as a precaution.

DS Lozza?

Thanks for being so welcoming and for reassuring me about sleep . I guess from the outside it often seems that other people have it sussed but they probably don't really.

Have just been out to meet another mum friend which was good as have been home alone for the last two days with ds- quite enjoyable but I missed adult company during the day. My dh seems to have been working late since the birth of ds, I think we'll have to plan the timing of dc2 to coincide with his quiet periods.

Looking forward to chatting with everyone!

Sister Star. Well that's what I had assumed anyway!

Ronshar - you already have three so I would only be in the same position as you

Thanks Aubergenie - We will look properly once DH is home for good as I don't fancy all that washing when I'm home alone

Lozza - Congrats on being an auntie again. I love twins they're so adorable. Ha to snigger at the dirty protest! I've been in court when someone had made a dirty protest in the cells. Mmmmmmm fragrant!

The Standaroo Jumperoo has arrived and as predicted M will not bounce. She is pleased as punch about being able to stand up 'on her own' though. She's thinks it's great! She has also suddenly started chatting loads and making proper sounds. She is giving it loads of nananana and making saounds like dada dada dada. She is also babbling like crazy. It's so cute, especially when she starts babbling at me while were out and about.

Gosh, RL has been interfering with my MNing today .

Welcome Rachie. Look forward to getting to know you.

Congratulations Auntie Lozza .

Will reply to rest later - bath time.