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CantSleepWontSleep · 03/04/2009 20:55

Have done shortened stats this time, just for those of us who seem to still be around.

10th Sept (Due 1st Oct) - loulou33 - Boy - Joe Louis David - 6lbs 12oz - Induction due to rhesus sensitivity, G&A.
16th Sept (Due 8th Oct) - Ksal - Girl - Emma Rae - 6lbs - Just beat induction for PE!
21st Sept (Due 5th Oct) - myjobismum - Girl - Naomi Caitlin - 5lbs 10oz - Fast and furious hospital birth.
22nd Sept (Due 10th Oct) - Lozza70 - Boy - Sander Gene - 7lbs 5oz - Em C-Sec due to raised BP and high ALTs from liver.
2nd Oct (Due 12th Oct) - star6 - Boy - Quinlan - 5lbs 15oz - 36hr labour, ventouse and stitches.
3rd Oct (Due 26th Sept) - purpleflower - Girl - Rebecca Jill Erzsebet - 8lbs 10.5oz - Homebirth with paramedics due to meconium.
4th Oct (Due 30th Sept) - Aubergenie - Boy - Stanley - 7lbs 12oz -
5th Oct (Due 4th Oct) - hedgepig - Boy - Oliver - 6lbs 3oz -
5th Oct (Due 29th Sept Oct) - CherryChoc - Boy - Ryan - 6lbs 11oz - 3 day labour with natural birth in hospital
8th Oct (Due 6th Oct) - ronshar - Boy - William Dexter - 7lbs 11oz -
9th Oct (Due 17th) - Marthasmama - Girl - Martha - 7lbs 10oz - Elective c-sec
10th Oct (Due 1st Oct) - CantSleepWontSleep - Boy - Duncan Elliot - 8lbs 4oz - 4 day induction with 1 hour established labour!
12th Oct (Due 4th Oct) - pistachio - Boy - Thomas Fraser - 10lbs 2oz - Homebirth.
13th Oct (Due 15th Oct) - mum2jakeyroo/jrsqueak - Boy - Joshua - 7lbs 2oz - Delivered in car by dh!
16th Oct (Due 17th Oct) - rowanmac - Girl - Anna Ruth - 7lbs 2oz - 2 hours ARM to placenta delivery.
16th Oct (Due 11th Oct) - heather1980 - Boy - Alexander James - 9lbs 5oz - Homebirth
17th Oct (Due 10th Oct) - pepperrabbit - Girl - Jessica Rose - 7lbs 15.5oz -
24th Oct (Due 29th Oct) - Ekka - Boy - Matthew - 7lbs 15oz - Home water birth with gas and air.
26th Oct (Due 20th Oct) - jenwa - Girl - Phoebe Jasmine - 9lbs 2.5oz -
1st Nov (Due 22nd Oct) - SmudgeyDoodle - Girl - - 8lbs 2oz - Hospital water birth.
5th Nov (Due 29th Oct) - Honeymoonmummy - Girl - Poppy Grace - 6lbs 15oz -
5th Nov (Due 30th Oct) - MamaG - Boy - Harry James - 10lbs 9oz - Em C-Sec. Back to back and knotted cord around neck. 24 hours of labour first though, and don't you forget it!

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ronshar · 22/04/2009 11:38

obviously I meant

star6 · 22/04/2009 12:56

I want to try a mooncup. I can't believe I am ECSTATIC about getting nearly 5 hours of sleep!! I feel AMAZING!

pepperrabbit · 22/04/2009 13:16

shouldn't you be off snogging ostoes star!

star6 · 22/04/2009 13:40

ha pepper!

jenwa · 22/04/2009 19:30

haha ronshar yeh totally agree, I think that is why my mother always said she knew best and it is true although would still find it hard to admit that to her

star well done on the sleep, hopefully it will get better for you

had a bit of shitty afty with DD at playgroup again and MIL fussing over her. Had 2 stories, one from playgroup and one from MIL and I know who to believe anyway wont bore you with it as same shit but aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! better now!

Its my birthday tomorrow and DH has taken day off so we planning on going out. Really need a family day and some time to chill. Thinking of cotswolds park or something, need fun family day with picnic and NO STRESS

star6 · 22/04/2009 20:06

If one more childless person comes up to me and says something like "I'm exhausted" or "I only got 6 hours of sleep last night" I'm going to cut their head off, chop it up and feed it to Q for dinner. Now, I did not know true exhaustion until I had Q - I will admit that. But I would have never said such words to a mother of a baby! NEVER!

loulou33 · 22/04/2009 20:27

HI all, sorry i've been absent for a while but life seems too hectic to catch up with all your talking. Joe has been for a try out at nursery and he loved it fortunately. he goes for another hour tomorrow and the same next week before our hols. I hope he likes it and is able to settle for naps and stuff as its quite busy in the baby room.

HMM - don't worry about cooking, baby sized portions take onyl a few mins to cook or do bigger batches and freeze them . I only cook for Joe a few times a week, give him what we have and then add a few plum meals. its easy once you get going - most of the recipes you can eat too

Jenwa - happy birthday for tommorrow and don't beat yourself up about the smacking (no pun intended). You sound so upset about having done it, i doubt you'll ever do it again - one smack does not make you a bad parent.

Had MIL visiting for a few days and she was driving me mad. Bear with me - this is a long one but i need to vent!!

DS1 had been really naughty at nursery (hitting, pushing, snatching) which is not like him but still not on. i told MIL this when we arrived home and she took DS1 upstairs and i could hear her saying 'i have a treat for you if you promise to be a good boy etc etc' She said Promise me? (as if a 3 year old can do that!!! Anyway, he came downstairs all excited with a big bag of chocolate coins . He then demands to eat one (its now only 1/2 hour til tea time) and because i said no, he had an almighty tantrum and she takes him off to read stories saying 'never mind pet maybe mummy eill let you have one later - aaaaaghgghghg - talk about making me into the bad guy. Later DS1 was playing up at bedtime (he was really tired after nursery)and i said he could only have one story before bed because he had been rude to me and he needed to get to bed as he was so tired - MIL heard all this adn took him off to bed. I went to feed Joe and i could hear her reading story after story. I go into his room after 1/2 hour of stories, he'd not drunk his milk and he looked shatttered. He had a massive tantrum because i told him to get into bed and she tells me (in front of him) that i'm mean and making a rod for my own back and children shouldn't go to bed upset, its cruel. DS1 cries and cries saying i've upset him and i'm mean etc whilst kicking and fighting me which really upset me (he only said it because she had i know). he stopped crying as soon as i left him and started singing himself to sleep as usual. I had to spend the whole evening with her as dh was away, she said we should let him off a bit when family visit and get back to normal when family have left that's makes it easier for her and hell for me and Dh and confusing for DS1. They are coming to stay again in a few weeks whilst dh is working and i need to help him out but i am dreading it and feel really peed off with her. I feel she is making me out to be cruel and mean and ds1 is now picking up on this, he's been really off with me today and wanting nana a lot. The whole time she was here, she praised him all the time, gave him loads of attention and i'm sure she was doing this as she thinks i'm horrible to him. I am tough on him and sometimes i shout/nag etc when he drives me mad but i'm not the ogre she makes me out to be. She was a total pushover with her children....she gone now but it will take days to sort out and ds1 is really confused, i'm sure.

right - i'll shut up now, hope the rest of you are fairing well.

CSWS - DO NOT tell me what happens in ER as we don't get More4 and i'm still waiting for it to come onto C4 -

aubergenie · 22/04/2009 20:59

about your MIL undermining you like that, Loulou!

Jenwa ? How is the reward chart going? We use them at school for some children and they can work really well.

Glad you got some good sleep Star. I?m going to have to join CSWS and MM?s no-sleep club. MM - I think you?re right about M and S being in cahoots with each other. I?ve had to have him in the bed with me as he?s rejecting his Amby now. I?m wondering whether he?s feeling a bit constricted in there.

I bought a couple of these lovely nappies today with my Real Nappies for London voucher. I got one lime green and one purple. They?re so fluffy and soft and look very cute on S?s chubby legs.

Has your dh gone up to bed again CSWS or is he gracing you with his presence this evening?

jenwa · 22/04/2009 21:18

loulou how awful and I totally symphasise with you re MIL they always appear to be the good ones and we looks like evil parents, DD can do NO wrong in her eyes and is ALWAYS good in their house as they keep telling me but thats because they have the time to sit and play and do whatever they want with them and spoil them etc. I appreciate every thing MIL does but get frustrated that she appears to treat DD like her own child and will not live her own life anymore as everything revolves around the grandchildren. I could NOT have her stay with me for, we stayed there when DD was little and we were doing our house up and it was a nightmare. They seem to be able to tell YOU what is wrong with your child and WHAT your child needs or does NOT need she used to say "shes not tired" "she is not asking to go to bed" she was bleeding 18 months old , you could see DD dropping. Its so awful to undermine you in front of your DS, I really see how you feel and sympthasise with you. Can we also have a MIL room to throw them all in for a while
It really hard but you either have to say something or brave it whilst she there to keep the peace, its horrible but when you try to stand your ground you end up being the worst person ever! I have in the past left MIL to put DD to bed and she has been up there for an hour (this was at my sis in laws house whild FIL and our DHS went to get takeaway) me and my sis in law where chatting and MIL spent most of the evening upstairs! More fool her I say! Maybe you can just let her tell him stories and then make sure she is left shattered and get up and go out early so she has to get up with him in the morning too haha...sorry I ranted back their
aubergenie Yes chart going ok but think will see how it goes the end of the week. I am praying for a miracle DD asked for her treat to be "mummy and Daddy and Jess (the dog) play in the garden with me" ahhh, we do but it was still sweet, I thought she was going to ask for something bigger but thats just fine .

CantSleepWontSleep · 22/04/2009 21:51

Happy birthday for tomorrow jenwa.

I put dd to bed tonight aubergenie, so dh didn't get a chance to disappear . He's also been up to ds already when he woke .

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Marthasmama · 22/04/2009 21:55

Happy birthday for tomorrow Jenwa!

I've not been on much tonight as it took two hours to get M to go to sleep so she wasn't in bed until 9! I hope that means she is going to sleep for longer!

Honeymoonmummy · 22/04/2009 22:05

Hi all,

Oh Loulou, I'm really sorry, I know it's really hard to have a grievance with your PIL and not be able to say anything. I don't really know what to say except for have a word with your DH?

Happy birthday for tomorrow Jenwa!

Are any of you using a mouli for purees and if so which one have you bought?

MM that picture your DS drew is sooo cute!

Ksal, gaviscon takes a while to work, doc told me it has a cumulative effect. I seem to remember he said I should see improvement within 10 days to 2 weeks.

I've just uploaded some pics from our hols on facebook

loulou33 · 22/04/2009 22:30

Just a quickie [not] to say i have ranted at dh and we both agree that she was in the wrong. Its sad as she is so lovely and patient and kind but too much sometimes. Her behaviour would be fine if she saw the children for a few hours but you can't be like that for 3 days... DS1 was smothered in praise etc and like most 3yo his behaviour was ok and not ok in equal measure but she still praised him, saying come on there's a good boy whilst he was whinging ffs!!! DH will speak to her soon as she is coming to stay again soon but i am hoping that FIL will come too as he is far more sensible.

Jenwa - if i let her put DS1 to bed on her own she would sit up with him all night. When he ws a baby (5mo) she sat next to his cot watching him sleep ALL night!!! One night when he was 2yo, she stayed over. At the time he had a cough and he used to cough, mutter a bit and go back to sleep. I was leaving him to see if he would settle and she told me in the morning that she went in a sat with him for about an hour stroking him and shushing him. Eventually he told her to go back to bed as he could get him self to sleep on his own - bless him!! DH has told me stories of when he was little that she would sing songs to him for hours and hours each night - usually 'walzing matilda'. She says he couldn't sleep on his own but i think it was more about her than him tbh.

HMM - never used a mouli and have no idea what one looks like. For pureed peas (for which a mouli is supposedly required) i push through a sieve for first foods then just puree with blender once older. What other veggies do you need it for??

Right off to bed for me - i barely slept last night as i'm sure you can tell i was a teensy weensy bit annoyed

aubergenie · 22/04/2009 22:33

Glad you?re getting some help this evening CSWS. Hope you manage to get some sleep as well!

Good news that your dh is going to talk to you Mil loulou. Fingers crossed it makes a difference.

Jenwa ? Happy birthday for tomorrow!

I?ve got a question for you ladies with non-sleeping babies. When they wake up, do you always feed them, or do you try and get them back to sleep before offering them a feed? S has always woken every 3 or 4 hours and I always feed him back to sleep. But I was talking to a friend with a 3 month old who says she?s getting tough about night feeds and doesn?t feed her baby when she wakes up, whereas I just feed S straight away if he doesn?t look like he?s going back to sleep after a very short while. I feel reasonably confident about the way I?m doing things with S during the day, but I can?t help feeling wobbly about the way I?m handling the nights. I?m wondering if I?m being too soft and making him worse, rod for my own back etc etc.

Honeymoonmummy · 22/04/2009 22:38

That's good Loulou. Hope you have a good night's sleep x

Um...sweetcorn?

Aubergenie, someone else will be along to answer that much better than I will. Poppy has been in her own room since Sunday night and it's going well actually. She woke in the night last night but only because it's the only night I could't be bothered to do a dream feed I think it has a lot to do with DH snoring too. Whoever said it earlier, were you saying you wanted DH to go to docs for snoring? Will they do anything? I've bought DH some of the over the counter "remedies" and they haven't worked.

Honeymoonmummy · 22/04/2009 22:52

Right I'm off to bed. I'll try to get on more tomorrow! Did anyone watch the Apprentice tonight? What were they thinking, Pantsman???
Night all.

ronshar · 22/04/2009 23:17

I use a hand blender. Kenwood I think.

I am still trying to get DH to Doc for snoring. Not working so far.

I was feeding William every time he woke. But since getting tough last week when he went into his own room I have not fed him and last night he slept all night with out waking up once. Yipee. First time ever.

heather1980 · 22/04/2009 23:46

loulou my mil is the same. she comes round every wednesday on her way to tesco. tonight i made risotto for tea and spaghetti 'worms' for dd. (now bear in mind dd is 2.5)she is more than able to feed herself, but mil starts trying to feed her coz she is worried that dd doesn't eat enough. then ds is in the bumbo and munching away on some melon and i give him some of our rissoto, she then starts trying to feed him too even though she knows we are blw him. she is OBSESSED with how much my children eat and it really winds me up she told me once that she used to feed dh complan coz he didn't eat well when he was 3

aubergine- i just had some ittibittis delivered today as well! i got the peppermint and turquoise ones, they are lovely and fluffy!
i always feed ds back to sleep, he's in our bed and dh has to get up esrly for work so it's easier to feed him than let it cry it out.

hmm- sometimes they remove the adenoids for snoring. i think they start out on nasal sprays and work up to operations.

Marthasmama · 23/04/2009 01:24

Aubergenie - I'm not the best person to ask at the mo as I am right at the end of my tether with this non-sleeping baby rubbish. I'm downstairs having a time out as I want M to stay in her cot but she just keeps crying until I pick her up. I'm knackered and grumpy. I have no idea how you function CSWS. DH lets me sleep in at the weekends but I'm still exhausted. I am starting to wonder what the hell I'm going to do with her. I might just put her out with the recycling.

CantSleepWontSleep · 23/04/2009 06:46

I think my mother qualifies for your irritating mil's club too!

Poor needy martha and poor marthasmama. You can have my share of pity today, as I got over 6 hours sleep last night (total, not one block).

aubergenie - I mostly feed in the night, unless I know that he had a really good feed an hour before. If D was waking every 3 or 4 hours like S then I'd prob offer food at every wake too.

Yes to Apprentice hmm .
Have you seen how much cupboard space a mouli needs hmm?! Really, if you only want it for peas and sweetcorn then just don't give those until she can pick them up and eat them whole.

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Marthasmama · 23/04/2009 07:39

Nobody mention The Apprentice!!! It's recorded for when DH comes home. In the end M went back to sleep while I was down here moaning! She then woke up at 3.30 and settled herself back to sleep! Then woke up at 5.30 for the day . So total sleep.....6 hours. So thank you CSWS but we can share the joy of actually getting a bit more sleep.

Aubergenie - Yes I feed M back to sleep everytime. She eats loads every time so I know she needs it. I thought that maybe she was relying too much on the night feeds so tried to up her daytime feeds. The result, she ate more in the day and it made no difference to the night! Oh well. She's just a milk monster.

DS said something funny this morning. I was explaining to him why he shouldn't leave his cd player on pause, waste of electricity, save the planet etc. So he asked 'Does the Earth stand-up using electricity then? Oh hang on, I mean does the Earth fly using electricity?'

Marthasmama · 23/04/2009 07:41

Oh and my PIL are f*ing annoying! My mummy on the other hand is fabulous. When DH had no car, she gave him her old one, when she was out shopping she bought him a tub of pistachio ice-cream as she knows he loves it. DH loves my mummy. I'm sure that when my brother gets married his dw will find something to dislike but I have no idea what.

KSal · 23/04/2009 08:39

oh the only prob i have had is with my own mum and in the end DH had to have a word with me! he was feeding emma at the weekend and she started gagging on some food (which she will do occasionally) and what we normally do is make sure she is upright/leaning forward and try and catch the vom in her bib (the rigid plastic ones are great for that). but my mum panicked and started trying to get her out of the chair because she thought she was choking, then took the bib off... so when the sick came it went everywhere. I came out of the kitchen to the the aftermath thinking (but thankfully not saying) 'why the bloody hell has DH taken her bib off?!'

can i just say one thing about the apprentice??? the website has this really cool thing where you can vote for who you think is going to get fired through the programme and it is really entertaining seeing the effect that events on screen have on the graphs. that is all!

KSal · 23/04/2009 08:39

oh and thanks HMM I will try not to get too carried away with a sick free day yesterday (yay!) but results so far are very encouraging...

aubergenie · 23/04/2009 09:01

you're having such a tough time with the sleeping MM. It must be really hard if your DH is away and you've got no support.

S went to bed at about 7.30 and I fed him at 10.30, then again at 1 and then another 3 times before waking at 8. Actually I think I was being a bit optimistic when I said every 3-4 hours. It's probably more like every 2-3. Fortunately, he doesn't wake up too early, so i shouldn't moan. I feel better that others still feed back to sleep. My instinct is that he is genuinely hungry but the stuff my friend was saying made me doubt myself. I think she thinks I'm mad for allowing it to continue.

MM- I tried upping the milk feed during the day too, but it doesn't seem to make any difference either. S is a big milk monster as well!

My Mil lives in Leeds so we don't see her that often. She's mad as a box of frogs but very sweet, and very respectful of our way of doing things with S, even though it's totally different from the way she did things.

Heather - those nappies are SO lovely aren't they! I'm going to buy a few more in different colours when I've got more cash. Did you get some extra liners as well? The woman in the shop said you can use the outer bits again and just replace the liner bits so it's worth getting some extra ones.

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