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dinkystinky · 01/04/2009 17:37

'nuff said

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littleboyblue · 26/04/2009 14:24

Way-hay!! That's where I'll be tomorrow then!
Well, not tomorrow, maybe wednesday.....STW Fancy joining me in Kingston?

mumoverseas · 26/04/2009 16:23

afternoon all,
dinky, sorry the noise is still ongoing but glad DS's birthday party went well and huge pats on the back for your DH making the cake. Am very impressed.

PT, sorry about Aaron's cough but well done to your DS for his huge poo. Have given up potty training DD this week as it was driving me mad. My theory is if I stop following her around with the potty she might just decide she wants to use it

MS wish we had a primark here could do with a few pairs of bridget jones pants

LBB hope you've had a good day today.

I don't know where today has gone. Had nanny from 8.30 til 12.30 but didn't manage any studying as I was hovering a lot just to make sure everything was ok. I did however 'discover' my dining room table which had disappeared under a pile of paperwork so I did lots of filing and general tidying up, paying bills etc which was good.
Have the nanny tomorrow and we are having friends for dinner tomorrow night so hopefully I'll finish clearing the table and have time to make a chocolate cake and key lime pie.
DS very pissed off today. He was up late last night and up early this morning to study for his oral arabic GCSE this morning and they postponed it just when it was about to start as the tape recorder was broken. Twats!

right, off to bath DD and DS and watch a few episodes of Lost.

TBM · 26/04/2009 19:14

Didn?t get back till late last night so haven?t had chance to post since.

The photo session was postponed for two weeks as our car got towed! I won?t go into details because they?re all on Facebook, but it?s all sorted now, even if I am £240 lighter!

THOM, I ended up spending a lot more than that in the end

MOS, exactly! I?m not a big fan of branded stuff anyway, I don?t mind so much (not sure why, maybe because it doesn?t take over quite the same) with Fifi and Noddy, but things like Disney Princesses and Barbie I don?t like having all over everything. Potty training I fun here too. She has been able to say when she needs a wee since around her first birthday, been using the potty for about a year but she won?t do it when she has anything on (nappy, real nappy pull ups, ?big girl pants? or even commando - which we don?t do unless there?s been a problem out). We tried cold turkey, leaving the potty in the living room but nothing seems to work on her. I feel frustrated because if she?d stayed at home she would be done by now. One thing that I?m pleased with though is when she?s going to the potty her constipation is majorly improved, I now know she is definitely anal! WRT bottles, a lot of babies won?t take it from mum, that?s just cheating!

Calico, just leave a potty around and let it happen naturally. Tink keeps commenting on my big tummy, I have to keep pointing out that she, Fifi and Lily-Hope came out of my tummy so it has to be big!

LBB, often having wind makes them think they?re still hungry as there is a bubble in there, but when it comes out they?re then full so don?t need anymore. With the screaming, have you tried the five S?s? (swaddling, side/stomach positioning in the parents' arms - not towards the parent because it confuses them and can make them worse - , shushing, swinging, and sucking) . They usually do stop when they?re full up but bottle fed babies can take a little more before they stop because it comes quicker so they don?t get the signals right, in the time it takes to get the signal when its coming slow they don?t get that much extra, IYSWIM. As far as anti-depressants are concerned, if they make you feel better then that can?t be a bad thing. You wouldn?t worry if you had to take a different drug - I know I feel the same though, I take Aspirin every day but worry about anti-depressants (my excuse though is I keep reacting to them and I don?t want to experiment whilst I have two young children to look after).

DS, it?s not much better really. I?ve started using electric scooters when I go shopping which means I get out much more, not as much here as I would at home though as I?m not that close to a bus. Can?t wait to get into my own place! Fifi is doing well, she?s a happy little thing, just like her sister was, and the cold finally seems to be clearing up, 14 weeks later!

MS, I never ask! I might say ?excuse me a sec? if it is going to look like I?m not paying attention but I don?t need anyone?s permission to feed my baby.

STW, babies at this age don?t understand permanence so leaving them to cry can be upsetting to them. There is mantra crying though where they grizzle before they go to sleep, it?s very half-hearted and they?re more likely to wake if you do pick them up. Every three hours sounds perfect! Flat heads do correct themselves, a mild case will do it without help but if it gets severe they can wear a helmet to help reshape it. Make sure you?re doing plenty of tummy time to help change position.

Elkiedee, different thread I know, but didn?t want to post there. I had to laugh when they said hello to you on that other forum when you hadn?t posted there. I would have been in stitches if I?d read that to me!

As I said before we have rearranged our pictures for two weeks yesterday and 3pm. The plan is for TBD to drop me in London with Fifi, pick the boys up and bring them to London to meet me. Then we will get public transport back and meet him at the hotel. Does anyone fancy making it a meet and keeping me company?

TBM · 26/04/2009 19:18

I forgot to put in my mega post, who was it who posted fudge recipes before and can you share them again, please?

MarkStretch · 26/04/2009 19:24

TBM I don't need permission either. I was just being polite.

I would rather mention it than make other people feel uncomfortable.

PinkTulips · 26/04/2009 19:50

exactly MS some people would prefer the chance to leave the room... my fol for example, only polite to give them forewarning and let them decide themselves if they feel comfortable being there. it does nothing to further the cause if people are made to feel awkward.

littleboyblue · 26/04/2009 20:09

MoS Sounds like a very productive day you've had. Your poor ds, what a pain about his exam.

My day's been ok. Not done much really, took advantage of ds1 being out and did the ironing, then this afternoon had a great time playing with ds2 (as much as you can at this age), I even got ds1 to join in nicely. For a while. Then he starts throwing things......Dp has decided he wants to drop ds1's nap now as he is a nightmare to settle to bed in the evening, but without a nap during the day, he gets tired and frustrated so is naughty. I've told dp that I will continue to put ds1 down for a nap, but we'll see how it goes if I wake him after an hour.
TBM Sorry if I'm being a bit slow......was that in response to me asking if anyone else had a baby that won't feed after winding? If so, we've just realised now that we've switched to demand feeding instead of routine, that he is far hungrier at certain times of the day, but not every day iyswim.
When he cries, I do do the whole 'circle of care thing' to make sure there isn't actually anything wrong. He is rubbish with a dummy so think he'll be a thumb sucker, he hates being on his front unless he is laid up my arm and I'm standing, but he is getting a bit too heavy for that now..... I suppose he'll calm down just like ds1 did.

We've had the camera out today trying to get photo's of the boys. Ds1 runs towards me when I have the camera and yells "day cheeeeessssssssseeeeeee" very funny

littleboyblue · 26/04/2009 20:27

I also meant to say, I have a really sweaty, hot baby.
What's everyone else's going to bed in? Luke has on a vest and a standard sleepsuit (not fleeced or anything) and is normally under just the 1 layer of a thin blanket, but everytime I get up with him, his back is very hot and sticky. At first I thought he was leaking through his nappy, but he is not. I check his temp and it is always fine (normally about 36.5-37.5), his clothes aren't too small, so now he goes to bed under just a sheet and i worry about him getting cold.
Ds1 was the same IIRC and still to this day refuses any kind of cover on him be it a blanket or a sheet regardless of weather and temp in the house. In the winter, I have resorted to putting him to bed in his dressing gown on top of his pj's but halfway through the night he'll wake all hot and flustered.........

elkiedee · 26/04/2009 20:44

LBB, vest and sleepsuit here but if he's getting so hot I'd say just put the vest on, that's what we've done with ds1 and will do with ds2 as well on hot summer nights.

dinkystinky · 26/04/2009 20:46

LBB - Danny goes to bed in just a sleep suit and is swaddled in a swaddle blanket with a cellular blanket over him if its cold. Its pretty warm at the moment so maybe Luke doesnt need the vest underneath - though the weather is due to change tomorrow so he'll probably need it again come tomorrow. I know what you mean about tiny babies in cots - makes you want to scoop them up and cuddle them doesnt it?

MS - thanks for the tip about the pants! Primark here I come...

MoS - well done you on sorting out your dining table filing system. Its so hard to let go when a nanny is in your space at the beginning but it does get alot easier - especially when you know she knows all about how you like things done. Sounds like DD2 isnt ready to potty train yet - she's a bright girl and will pick it up in no time when she's in the mood too though - and it doesnt sound like you're in any rush for it for school or anything at the moment so letting it lie sounds like a really good idea.

Pink - Woo hoo on the poo in the loo. Did you read the pooland story to DS1 today? In which case the credit goes to Swampster... DS1 is still talking about Mr Poo who is hiding in his bottom I think DS1 suffers abit from constipation (has plenty of fruit and fluid but due to being a fussy eater only goes once every 4 or 5 days and its hard for him to poo) so am going to start trying flaxseed oil in smoothies on him to see if that helps him coax out Mr P into the loo... Sorry to hear Aaron is ill. I hate it when they're so distressed and cough up their feeds Hope he feels better when he wakes up.

TBM - welcome to the Operation Potty Training club! Glad all is good with Fifi and the cold is finally passing. Sorry must have missed what the photos are about - will check on Facebook. What a pain about your car being towed. Whereabouts will you be in London?

Anyone who remembers Nadsss? Bumped into her on a sleep thread - she has a little 9 week old girl. Have pointed her in the direction of this thread so hopefully she'll pop in to say hi...

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dinkystinky · 26/04/2009 21:21

Sooo, is it too early to start organising the next meet up? I think Nkweto and MoS are both around in June so is that when we should aim for?

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Calico1 · 26/04/2009 22:02

Quick post before bedtime.....had hell of a weekend. Lilian rushed to hospital with a temp and a hideous rash yesterday morning. Docs thought it might be meningitis as it was not all going away when pressed and rash was appearing before our eyes from the soles of her feet upwards and outwards. Terrifying - but after a lumber puncture (just awful), antibiotics and fluids she is much better. Bacterial infection has been ruled out and they think it is a virus but can't specify what.....we have to go back to hosp again tomorrow for another test but they let us back home for the night......

Too tired and emotional to read back the weekends posts but hope everyone else had a better time.

night night

swampster · 26/04/2009 22:17

That sounds seriously scary, Calico. Glad Lilian is better.

PinkTulips · 27/04/2009 00:30

calico hoe awful. glad she's home now. you must be exhausted hope tomorrow goes ok but at least they must be happy enough she's on the mend {{{{{hugs}}}} and virtual tea

dinky, nope didn't get around to pooland, too busy here this morning. i discovered the other day ds1 can fart on demand so i get him to fart on the loo every time and if he looks like he's straining i get him to keep doing it til poo comes out... crude but effective

he wet himself once this morning and was so appalled i took stones he stayed clean and dry all day, even when he was sick in the car on the way home

aaron's cough is making him miserable, will have to bring him to the docs once my car gets back from the garage tomorrow

updated my profile pics btw..........

littleboyblue · 27/04/2009 02:16

OMG Calico Hope you're ok. How awful. What a relief it's not the big M though. That must have been so frightening! Hope you're able to get some rest.
PT What lovely looking dc's. Aaron has so much hair! Very cute.
dinky June meet-up sounds good. I'd imagine we'll make it.

KT1983 · 27/04/2009 07:11

Morning all,

Calico - That must have been so frightening for you - I do hope Lilian gets better soon x

I had awful day with Poppy yesterday - she doesnt like sleeping in the day at all! She sleeps from 7pm-6am now. But she still get so tired in the day & fights the sleep.
She was crying all afternoon but everytime she started to fall asleep she would wake herself up IYKWIM.
Should I persist to put her down for a nap in morning & afternoon??

mumoverseas · 27/04/2009 07:49

morning all,
calico, I just went all goosebumpy reading your post. How terrible for you and poor little Lilian. It must have been so hard seeing her put through such awful proceedures such as LP. I remember when DD1 was ill as a baby, it was so frightening and I felt so helpless. Hope that they find out what it is and that it is nothing serious and she gets better soon. hugs from ksa xxx

dinky yay, June meet up sounds good, when are you going back to work? All being well, I should be back early hours of 11th June for DD1's birthday although I'm not going to tell her and will sneak up to her school in the afternoon (hopefully with a yummy M & S birthday cake if I can find a way to order it from here as the numpties don't let you do food ordering online, how stupid is that!)

TMB, that possibly explains why DD1 HATES her bedroom. Could it be something to do with the barbie border I put up when she was around 5?

KT, sorry you are having a hard time with Poppy. I'm not able to put Harry down for a nap during the day as he just keeps waking up but the nanny managed straight away yesterday I wouldn't mind having the 7pm to 6am routine but I know what you mean, the poor little thing clearly needs a little nap and you no doubt need a little break.

My friend phoned this morning and invited DD and DS over to play (her son is DD's 'boyfriend' and she also has another little boy) so nanny Nura has just taken them over there whilst I did some cooking. Managed a key lime pie and a tropical fruit sorbet but not the chocolate cake (mainly as I'm trying to diet) had a very distressing experience with my new all singing all dancing scales on Thursday which told me that my % of body fat was 52 Another thing that made me realise I have real weight issues (I've always convinced myself I'm just 'a little bit fat' like Bridget Jones) was when in KL with some friends having dinner and one was complaining about someone she worked with and made a comment about her getting a promotion because she was fat and had a BMI of 25. I said well mine is 30 and she didn't know what to say Have resisted the urge to get on the scales since Thursday and am hoping for a nice surprise on Thursday morning

Right, off down the shop to buy food for dinner and am looking forward to a leisurly amble around our sorry excuse of a shop without having to abandon H to chase DD round the shop and make her put back all the sweets she's appropriated!

littleboyblue · 27/04/2009 08:39

Morning all
KT I'd stick with the whole nap thing. Both mine fight sleep and this is when I had to rock Jacob to sleep in my arms and hold him for naps. Luke's not so bad, he will fall asleep on his own, or if I'm holding him, he will let me put him down. Poppy will get the hang of it. You don't want her getting too over tired either as it might make her harder to settle at bedtime.

Going to get Luke weighed today, although it's raining atm, but I haven't had it done for nearly 5 weeks!

elkiedee · 27/04/2009 09:01

calico, what a scary experience, hope Lilian gets proprly better very quickly.

PinkTulips · 27/04/2009 09:49

my house smells of cat damn tomcat needs to have his balls chopped asap

had an absolutely horrible night up til 1am last night as poor aaron was really suffering with his cough and couldn't get to sleep, he eventually dropped off though and it was bright when he woke so he got a decent stretch. he then proceeded to half drown us both in milk messing at the boob he doesn't like before dozing off again til 9.30. he's still coughing and grumpy though and his snot was blood streaked this morning so if i get my car back in time i'll have to bring him to the docs

dinkystinky · 27/04/2009 10:34

Calico - that sounds terrifying. Poor Lilian. I really hope she's on the mend now and all is well. Big hugs being sent to you.

KT - DS1 used to fight sleep too as a baby. Swaddling and making sure he wasnt over stimulated (so quiet dark room) was one way to get him to sleep - the other way was to pop him in sling or buggy and go out for a walk over the bumpiest ground I could find! Fortunately we lived near Hampstead Heath at that time so bumpy ground was plentiful near us...

MoS - step away from those scales! They're designed to make anyone and everyone feel depressed about weight, BMI and body fat percentage... Am on maternity leave until early September so around all summer really - though was bored last night so thought would start thinking about next meet up...

Pink - lovely photos and am in awe at the amount of hair Aaron has! Sorry to hear Aaron is suffering so much though - hope the docs can sort him out so he's a happier bunny.

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PinkTulips · 27/04/2009 11:31

grrr.... garage is one mechanic down so i won't have my car back til 5pm tomorow!

just hope when they're checking her over for the nct they don't discover my exhaust is on it's last legs (i have my suspicians)... oh well, poor car barely gets serviced, really can't begrudge her costing us money every couple of years when something does go!

KT... i'm with dinky on the walking them to sleep thing, dd never ever slept unless i put her in the car or buggy and brought her out, then she slept like and angel.

thehouseofmirth · 27/04/2009 11:51

Calico, poor Lilian and poor you! Hope she's soon better.

June meet up sounds good. Where shall we go? We went to the Diana memorial playground last Monday. It's fab but was pretty busy and there's not a huge amount of space to sit. Plus it's full of nooks and crannies so not great for those of us with older ones to bring.

littleboyblue · 27/04/2009 13:12

What a shitty day!!!!!!!!!!!
had Luke weighed this morning, he is 14lbs 11oz. I've just compared to Jacob's chart, and at 11 weeks ds1 was 16lbs 3oz, so Luke's not that far behind him!! He's still inbetween the 75th and 91st line, so no concerns about that.
Then we went to play group. Ds1 was pushed over twice by the same boy and then hit in his head and the screaming out of him! Anyone'd theink he's never been hit or pushed by another child before. Wasn't nice, so one of the other mum's held Luke so I could comfort ds1 properly. In the end, the other boy and his mum left.
On way back, went to Tescos for today's food, so now I am wet through! ust had to hang my trousers in the airing cupboard to dry them out a bit for later.
I have a doctors appointment later, I need to have my liver function test re-done as results came back not so good, they think this is why I'm still itching and getting the rashes on my arms and legs, apparently there's a liver disease you can get in pregnancy which can be quiet dangerous, but as I'm not pregnant anymore, they're not overly concerned at the moment, they just want to see if result comes back better or not and then we'll see what action needs to be taken. It really is one thing after another here isn't it?
I'm also going to talk about the AD's, see if this other doc has any better advise about them and what sort of side effects to look out for in case I need to try another brand, also would they affect the contraceptive pill? Got to get some more of those too, might ask to be reffered to a counsellor too, but not sure about childcare if gp agreed........., and want some more antihistamines for my itchy bubble rash.

nadssss · 27/04/2009 14:05

Hello I used to post on the antenatal thread but didn?t realise there was a postnatal one too (and, in fact, much more needed than a pregnancy one in hindsight!) Glad everyone?s babies sound healthy and (reasonably) happy. I had my baby girl on Valentines day and things are going pretty well ? she feeds well and is generally content. Also glad to hear everyone?s hormones are making them fairly insane ? I have such intense rage at things that wouldn?t have fazed me before!

Our biggest issue is sleep ? baby is EBF and still gets up at least twice a night to feed and is up finally at about 5am. We tried the dream feed but it just meant that I get up three times and doesn?t seem to be working. I really don?t mind getting up but the problem is getting her to go back to sleep after a feed ? she sucks her hands (we swaddle but she escapes) and makes very loud (and very weird) chokey and chewy (the only way I can describe them is like an old man constantly clearing his throat!) and hugely squirming in her cot for ages and then starts crying. Does this sound normal? It means me or my dh are up with her for an hour after each feed trying to settle her ? shushing, patting, trying not to instantly pick up etc ? and then she only settles for an hour anyway. Aghhhhhh perhaps I am not burping her properly after each feed (as sometimes she seems so peaceful I don?t want to disturb her so much?)

I?m sorry some people are feeling bad ? I feel like screaming too with the lack of sleep ? and little things get you down so much more easily when you are totally knackered.

In some ways I wish I hadn?t read so many books as every time I rock her (al the time) or she doesn?t have a 2 hour lunchtime sleep (which she never does) I feel bad and can hear the baby whisperer/ GF etc saying ?don?t rock your baby? ? you?ve used prop parenting? etc etc

Is all v hard. And then the baby smiles a gummy smile at you and all is forgotten.

All those with more than one baby by the way, you are amazing!