Fab Feb 2009: too sleep deprived to think of a new thread title

[dinkystinky]

'nuff said

Hey everyone thanks for your help yesterday, was nice to vent and hear some positive ideas.
She actually slept like an angel last night, going back down after feeds...phew! I'm feeling a bit more human today...and i had my hair cut, which always makes me feel better...my little bit of pampering LOL!!
Rubbish weather in Cornwall today too...and not a lot to do down here when it's wet! DS happily playing with his aquabeads, and DD snoozing in her chair

p.s. i'm glad lil ones injections went ok...our turn next week, eek!

Hiya all. Glad babes are ok after the jabs PT and KT
Ds1 was out of it all day when he had his first, good job actually as that was the day my body decided to come down with pnumonia(sp?) so was handy he was asleep, I had to put him in his cot at one point and call dp home from work, I thought I was going to die!! I'd been to the gp that morning with difficulty breathing and she said I had chest infection, by the time I got back there at 5 she sent me straight to the hospital!
I too feel really awful holding them while they get jabbed, but on the other hand, our face as the mothers, is probably the best face to be right there for them iyswim.

We went to the farm today (Horton Childrens Farm in Epsom) and it was such a good day! Ds1 loved it and was so good all day. The look of amazement that came across his face when we walked into the lamar hut, it was truely heart melting stuff, he recognised the sheep (he kissed one ), the pigs, the cows, the peacock he called a bird (close enough for me) and the ducks. He was trying to make al the noises they make, was very funny.
I've just pacjked as much as I can for our trip to SIL's tomorrow, the rest has to be done in the morning (bottles, steriliser, formula, children and so on......)
So early night for us tonight.
I will try to get on my niece's laptop while we're there because there'd be no chance of me catching up on 4 days worth of talk would there?

Hello

Sorry to hear about jabs, but glad they went ok. I hated F having his. He looked straight into my eyes too, I'm sure he thought it was me jabbing him.

Welcome Dawnus

I had my weekly meetup with friends and babies, was lovely and dd spent the day in my friends hot tub whilst F lounged in a hammock in the sunshine. Ate lots of food, drank lots of tea and did lots of chatting.

Going out for the day tomorrow with other friends, I am busier now than I ever was before!

I've just caught a bloody cold. I have snot dripping out of my left nostril. Nice

well he was fine until 4ish, screamed for 2 hours solid but no temp and is now back to his usual self as far as i can tell oh well, could have been worse.

the older 2 are driving me mad though, have a bus couple of days thouh so at least we'll be of the house (trapped in a car instead... whoopee )

PT That's us tomorrow, trapped in the car for about 3.5 hours.........can't wait. Ds1 always gets the ump halfway there, I do tell dp maybe if we stopped off somewhere for a while, maybe had something to eat, a run around somewhere, he'd be better, but oh no, we just have to get to destination asap, no matter how big a drink we'll need when we get there
The vibrations from the engine don't do anything to settle Luke, so if he starts too......

Evening all. Danny had his 2 month jabs today (a week late as had to do the BCG last week due to his cold the week before) - he screamed abit at the jabs, had a cuddle and calmed down, slept for 2 and a half hours, woke and fed, then started screaming hysterically for the next hour or so with a slight temperature. He is now asleep (for now) with a little dose of calpol (most of which was slept out) and a brief breastfeed. Fingers crossed Pink and KT aand your little ones are having better times of it. Still, Danny was way better than DS1 was with his jabs- I had 8 solid hours of screaming the house down after DS1's first jabs, 4 hours after the second and 2 after the third set...

Swampster - occasionally I venture down Sarf (spent a good couple of years living down in camberwell as a student and have some good friends who still live down that way so feel safe enough venturing down south - though not for too long). Hornimans was lovely (and I agree the grounds are beautiful) - and I love the walrus too. DS1 was more intrigued by the robot zoo exhibition going on there (and has been reenacting it with his blocks and toys ever since) - if you get a chance go, your boys will love it! Glad you had a nice easter weekend. I love battersea zoo - havent taken the boys there yet. Definitely a trip to do over the summer methinks.

LBB - glad you had a lovely day today (especially after the horrible time you've had recently with DS1 being ill). Sounds like he's definitely on the mend. Hurray! The farm sounds great - like the idea of introducing a toddler to lamas...

dinky Poor Danny and poor ds1
These babies really don't have it easy do they? Good job they won't remember what we had to put them through.
Oh, our day was so nice. All Jacob's little friends were there too as it was a trip arranged by our toddler group and I think I saw a look of recognition on his face when he saw the kiddies he spends most time with. I am so pleased I decided to go

he slept for an hour, then woke hot and screaming so i gave the calpol and he's calming down a bit now. poor thing, i hate feeking so helpless like this.

dinky, sorry danny's miserable with it too, hopefullly he'll stay asleep for a good while for you now.

sounds like a great day lbb, glad jacob is feeling much better now enjoy your weekend at you sils

Oh no Pink I was really hoping that Aaron was having a better time of it! Hope the calpol does the trick. Have to admit at the first sign of Danny getting grumpy I started giving calpol before the temperature hit (as it takes a while to work and he was clearly following his big brother in post jab meltdown mode) though I agree with not giving calpol just for the sake of it....

This will amuse you on the Operation Potty Training front - DS1 finally did his poo (ater some five days) late last night in his nappy after I went to bed. Went in this morning (when he was yelling that the bloody bunny was awake) and smelt it - then saw it on his fingers! Pointed out that his fingers smelling like poo was not a great thing to aspire to...Not the best start to the day... Still the wees in the potty are carrying on well.

Sorry about the jab reactions PT and Dinky . It's our turn next Wednesday so not looking forward to that.

LBB so glad DS1 had a lovely time today. Horton Farm is just down the road from us - we go there quite regularly so know the llamas very well! We went the weekend before Easter and DD had great fun on the inflatable pillow jump thing and playing in the sand. I really don't envy you the car journey tomorrow. My DH is like your DP and doesn't understand toddlers' needs (and mine!!! I hate being in a car!) so we have to get there asap too. He wants us to drive up to Scotland at the end of May but I think it's too much. Also, it's so that he can go mountain biking and not feel guilty about leaving us... However I would still be on my own all day with the kids so not much fun...

Dinky I just saw your post about the stomach muscles and will keep an eye out for a DVD. In the meantime am carrying on with the gentle exercises.

Hope you all get a decent night. I'm not hopeful but who knows .

euch, poor you dinky, that's not the best thing to have to deal with first thing is it. thank god he pooed before he made himself really constipated though.

OPT gone a bit backwards here as i'm trying not to remind as much or insist he try every few hours as i want him to start recognising when he needs to pee himself. mixed success, he wet himself 3 times but by the third he was asking for the toilet before he started to pee so think i'll continue in the same vein for now. still pooed his knickers too but did scream to go toilet afterwards instead of pretending nothing had happened until i smelt it so again, mixed success.

Pink - DS1 only asks for the loo when trying to avoid bed time! Though as have said before he does produce the goods so at least I know he can wee on demand. Am trying to entice him to tell us when he wees with a Peppa Pig grandpa train - every time he tells us he wants a wee and does one, he gets a part from the toy. So far he's earned a george figure

lol only 4 more to go and you need to buy a new toy

STW I did not let ds1 on the inflatable pillow. I spotted the sand and he went straight back in the pushchair while I ran past strolled past. I hate sand, why is it, you find it for weeks and weeks, everywhere? Last time we went to SIL's for the air-show on the beach, I found sand in my flat 60 odd miles away for a long time after.........
I also meant to say RE Sam, you're right, don't be optomistic(sp?) about it. I really did find that especially with ds1, when I found acceptance it was so much easier to deal with. I'm going to be quite blunt now. We would all love to have perfectly happy, 'well-behaved' babies, but it just doesn't happen like that does it? Sam is not a happy bunny at the moment because he is suffering from colic which is related to his digestive system. There are a few things you can do which we are told can help but there is nothing we can do to cure. I'm no longer convinced that the things we do to help work either, it's all just a way to make the parents feel they are doing all they can to help the baby when really it's just a lost cause, iyswim. For example, Luke was put straight on 'anti-colic' bottles, do they work? No. Do I think he is any better than if I was using standard Avent bottles? not really. He has anti-colic drops in his milk. Do they work? Not really. They do help bring up a little wind I think, but they don't do enough to ease the pains of when the wind has to travel down, so do they work? No. Cycling the legs helps to relieve pains in the stomach. Does it work? Yeah, I think so, but they have to have the pain first so is a treatment rather than a prevention.......but wh do we continue to do all of these things? Because we need to feel we are doing all we can to help ease their discomfort, and the cold hard truth is that we can't. Speak to any hv and they'll tell you there are things you can do to help but that they grow out of it on their own.....Once I stopped expecting ds1 to be 'good' it did get alot easier to manage. And onve I accepted that it wasn't my fault, there was nothing I could do but offer comfort it got even easier. I'm not saying I don't get stressed or upset with and about Luke, of course I do, but if I expect him to be awake all night and he is only awake for 4 hours meaning I get roughly 4/5 hours sleep, it is just the biggest bonus.

I'm feeling so guilty on dp. This is the 3rd night in a row that he has got up to tend to both children because i have been completely switched off and not even stirred when they've woken really wanted to make sure I did it last night because at least I can sleep in the car......my poor poor dp

I've just realised that nothing I say colic wise is incredibly supportive (or even helpful), and I'm sorry. I know it's awful on parents. I really hoped Luke wouldn't have it because I didn't think I could watch another of my babies go through it. I just felt like I was really failing ds1 with thisbecause nothing I did seemed to help him but he doesn't remember. He doesn't have memories of the pain, or of me crying out of frustration, and I'll admit, sometimes regret of having a baby , he has no memory of being put in his cot whilst I screamed into my pillow. And Sam and all other colicky babies will be the same. They won't remember, so mum's, please don't be too hard on yourselves. It's not our fault, and it's not like it's as simple as kissing a graze and whacking a plaster on it either.

Have a good weekend all and 'see' you in a few days if I don't get on before. x

Well, yesterday wasnt bad at all after the jabs.
She was a little bit grump, and cried when we put her to bed, but only 30mins ish, then was out like a light until 5am! I did give her Calpol though straight after the jabs and then again before bedtime, so it may have helped if she did or was going to get a little temperature.
Sorry to hear PT & Dinky that your little ones had a bit of a rough ride with it yesterday. I do hope they are feeling a little bit better today.

MS Your very right - When Poppy looked at me before her jabs, I really think she thought it was me doing it! Poor little thing, she stared at me for a few seconds before the shock hit & then dropped her bottom lip looking so sorry for herself.

What age do they get the next lot? Im going to make DP take her next time!

Ive got the MIL coming today, then Ive got to go & visit the SIL. I really must learn how to say no. They are lovely, but seem to take over recently & DP thinks im just being awkward.

Glad Poppy didnt have a bad night KT - at least one of the babies was ok after their jabs. Danny was up 4 times in the night last night wanting comforting and feeding - he seems a little bit better today but v sleepy. Fingers crossed he'll get over it during the course of today. Hmm - feel for you KT with having the inlaws right on your doorstep as you need your own space to find your way with Poppy and make your own friends in your new area. Maybe if you can book yourself out with lots of groups and new mummy friends they'll accept that you dont always need to spend time with them?

Miserable day here in London. Hope its better where the rest of you are...

well he dropped off at 10ish, slept til 5am, had a massive feed, puked all over both of us and dozed off again for a few hours. he's back to his usual placid self now so hopefully that's the end of it. i found with the other two the reaction each time was less than the time before as they seem to cope better as they get bigger so fingers crossed it won't be a bad next time. was really upsetting though as he didn't cry like that when he had pneumonia so he must really have felt horrible

lbb.... i think you deserve a round of applause for that you're dead right, aceptance is the only way, and no matter how bad it gets, it ends eventually and they don't remember a bit of it.... only we have to live with the memories of the screaming and crying (us and the baby) and the utter helplessness we felt.

to those of you with colicy babies i can't say it often enough, when the screaming keeps going on and you're reaching the end of your tether PUT THE BABY DOWN AND LEAVE THE ROOM FOR 10 MINUTES. have a cuppa, jsut sit and watch tv for 5 mins, grab something to eat, anything to get a break from it before it gets to much. baby will be fine in it's cot for 10 mins and will proably be safer than with you holding them when you start to lose the plot. they'll still be screaming when you get back but at least you'll be better able to cope. and this is coming from a hippy dppy AP type mother who's been there and made it through with sanity and baby still intact

KT... that must be an awkward situation with the inlaws. don't be afraid to invent appointment if it allows you to say no without causing arguments

dinky, sorry your night was awful, hopefully danny will sleep it off now.

ds1 has just stumbled out of bed so had better get him dressed and fed and go do the shopping

Is it my imagination or has the number of posters on the thread dwindled massively over the past couple of months?

yep.... seems to be just 6 or 7 of us now.

same happened with my AN thread with ds1, 90% stop posting within a month of giving birth, an few more last it out to 6 months or so. now almost 3 years on there's only 3 of us who check the thread every now and again!

oh no, at this rate I'll have to actually start imagining up my "imaginary cyber friends" (as DH calls them).......

Hello I'm here !!!.....
Dinky your poo story reminded me of one of my mums friends looking after her grandchildren. She went in to find that he'd taken his pooey nappy off (it was hot so he didn't have much on ) and had smeared it on the walls (cot was up against it) and her very [posh] curtains . At least DS1 didn't get that far !...

Poor babies and their jabs. DS was like that. DD was fine for her 8 weeks and it went by without a murmur. Let's see what happens at her 12 week one next Tuesday eh.

LBB - my best friends daughter had colic too and Ds was born around the same time as her DD. I felt so helpless for her and hated seeing her pretty much fall apart trying to cope (she wasn't the most maternal type pre-dd so this was not a good start for her!!) - but like you say, they just grow out of it and hats off to you - it must have been very very hard and I'm sure no-one knows quite so hard unless they've experienced it.

DD is with my mum today. She hasn't really looked after her much in the last 12 weeks (unlike when DS was born) so when I asked if she fancied having her for the day she jumped at the chance. DS and I went to the softplay session and then went out for lunch. He wanted his pull-ups on for softplay but I managed to "forget" and he did fine. I took the potette and popped it on the loo seat. We then went for lunch in a local cafe just the two of us. It's been a lovely morning (and warm here and sunny - that weather should be on it's route to London soon I'm sure !)....Don't wish to sound smug but OPT is going well here...... He even said on the way out of the cafe that he needed a wee but held on in the car en route home and then almost filled the potty when we got in bless 'im.

Am feeling miserable about my inability to get off my arse and lose some weight. Sounds weird but it would almost be better probably if I had a couple of stone to lose - as it's only about 8- 10lbs and I don't look huge, just not myself I think I am just "getting used to it "- but I know come holiday time I will feel self conscious. I need motivation - I do eat pretty well (ie not just junk) but I love my food and portions and am partial to the chocolate. It's soooo hard.

DD has slept to 6-7am from 11pm the last three nights. I know that DS did this and then it went backwards and forwards a bit so we'll see what happens. I don't think they truly settle really do they until they're weaned (oh dread that thought) but the worst thing is that I wake about 3am expecting her to wake sometime soon and can be really restless until DS wakes (he woke before her this morning )- it's annoying and she's not even in the room with us !.

I e-mailed work today to tell them that I was planning on going back on August 3rd. We looked at our finances last night as I'm on stat mat pay (no mat benefit to speak of where I work) ...need to get back really as I hate not having my own money and to be honest I know in a couple of months time I'll be ready to go back 2/3 days a week. There is only so much telly watching/domestic chores/shopping/coffee drinking and toddler activity that I can take in one week. Sometimes every day feels like groundhog day - god I hope that doesn't offend anyone - purely personal feelings.

Off to the supermarket this afternoon - oh joy of joys but I'll seize the moment as I just have one child...at least I can chat to him as we go round to ease the burden. He's quite good company sometimes .