Sept 08: the thread for when they may start crawling, and there will definitely be some separation anxiety bawling ....

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Welcome ladies

Well, there's no crawling going on in our house, but there's defo some separation anxiety bawling going on .... tears, screaming, the works - oh joy!

debs didn't watch it past the first 20 seconds (ER is on!) but was more disturbed by the 'you should stop breastfeeding after 6 months you sick freako' type comments.

Didn't read the comments just saw the video. DP said it reminded him of Little Britain. I do think that 8 is a little extreme, if you can't fit the child on your knee maybe it is time to stop.

Was thinking of posting it in the AIBU thread but too wimpy

debs - do not post on AIBU. If your view is it's extreme you will get flamed big time.

I first watched that programme about 3 years ago and I think it's being repeated on a Sky channel again soon.

I wouldn't bf for that long, however Mother and child are happy to do so and no one is getting hurt, so why not carry on? It's just a different pov isn't it? I think a lot of people's comes from breasts being sexualised. For example if milk came out of the end of your thumb (if only!) no one would bat an eyelid, especially older children having mothers milk.

The lady in the video (Veronika something double barreled) is the editor for a magazine I read called The Mother. It's quite alternative and very informative, it also challenges my beliefs which I think is a great thing.

M waved again this morning when I waved good morning to him.

ILTMIMI LOL at 'milk coming out of the end of your thumb' It would be impossible to text.
I do think it is extreme, I'm not against extended breast feeding but like most other people I have my own personal opinion of when to stop (about 18 months is my goal)
I thought I would put it on this thread as we tend not to argue(except about car seats) and we're not as judgememtal as the AIBU people.

Like you said they are obviously happy with it and i don't think they are being hurt by it so good luck to her.

Robyn has started waving albeit a little manically, it's really sweet isn't it.
She is also kissing or rather mauling us, she loves it but she is really rough.

lol @ except car seats

Oh yes, I could try the kissing thing next, although we would probably end up clashing heads and me being bitten with his nice new shiny teeth!

Hi all - not as good a night last night as Effy woke up at 02:55 and was starving. She had about 5oz of her bottle.

I also checked her weight - it is 18lb which puts her above the 9th percentile, which is a huge jump from below the 2nd, which she was last time I plotted her.

ILTMIMI Effys is also waving. Last nigth when I picked her up from nursery she waved at the baby room manager and said byebyebyebye! I was very proud!

They also said that now she's on the move they keep putting her down and she's just off. Yesterday they put her down and she disappeared into the wendy house they have.

Debs and ILTMIMI had a quick look at vid, and while I think 8 is too old to be bf, who am I to judge? There are more worying things going on in this world.
What concerned me more were some of the comments and the strong views. Obviously posted by morons but these people have a vote and are allowed outside to mingle with the general public - now that's more worrying than an 8yr old being bf. It's because we in the west sexualise breasts. In many parts of the deveoping world, breasts are viewed in the same way we would view, say, arms. For them, it's bums that are the sexual bit (dear lord, I'd never pull!)

Am fighting off a cold today so am relying on TV to see me through - baaaaad mummy!!
I think when I'm back in work, if I do have a day off ill I shall actually relish it - a whole day in bed to recover while DD is at nursery

Lovely to meet Carrie and Splish the other day - they proved it's possible to have two children and look thriving on it! Most reassuring...

A is on the verge of crawling (does a couple moves before getting confused) and certainly mobile by wriggling and pulling himself around and bouncing. Time for more babyproofing! He's eating lots of breakfast and tea and wanting an earlier bf in the day so have just tried a finger-food lunch. He had been sleeping very well but last night was not one of those nights.

I've finally decided to give up bf on the left side as there doesn't seem to be much milk and it leaks loads... did use it a bit this morning just to ease the inflatedness but hope it'll calm down soon. Saw new HV plus medical student yesterday who were very impressed at 8 months of bf - go me!

Urgh, what a crappo day. T had his third set of jabs yesterday and has basically been whinging ever since. Astonishingly he still slept from 8pm-6am, but has been really unhappy all day today. Given him calpol, but not a lot else I can do. It's so incredibly wearing having a baby that is constantly unhappy, isn't it?

Not the least danger of T crawling any time soon - he's not desperately reliable at sitting up, never mind getting anywhere!

I frequently wave at T. Mostly he looks pityingly at me.

Oh, and he's crying again.

Hopefully I feel for you, I really do. It's so awful when they're feeling rubbish and won't stop whinging.

Plotted Effy this morning and she's gone from below the 2nd to above the 9th percentile so am very pleased.

Just a quick post to say hi really. Back from Scotland, the travelling all went well, was very unstressful taking 2 small children on lots of public transport and loads of people helped me carry the suitcase on and off things.

Funeral was nice (if that's the right word). I was quite emotional as it only really hit me when I walked into the church but I was just about ok. When I visited her in hosp with my dad he read her a bible passage (psalm 121 for anyone who's interested) and I asked if someone could read that at the funeral. My aunt did and it was nice to hear but v emotional too. Then dad did a bit too and in it said how proud she was of her great grandchildren, that had me and dh in floods of tears.
The rest of the day was good too and surprisingly cheery.

We're off on holiday on Monday and haven't sorted anything, no summer clothes, travel insurance, hire car etc so I should be doing that now really.

Also went to work this morning to talk about going back. Going back on 3rd June. Can't decide whether to be or

Well done Effy! It's doubly awful because of the combination of being so frustrated with the whingy baby and upset that he's suffering (normally the easiest baby in the world during the day). He's just dropped off for a nap, maybe he'll be a bit happier afterwards...

Debi glad the funeral wasn't too bad for you. Enjoy your holiday - you deserve it!

i think we are on our way out of this night-time separation anxiety....

DS fed just once last night and settled with DH within 5 minutes on his other wakings.

So it was a phase. And we didn't have to do loads of pointless CCing to remind him how to sleep at night. So pleased about that. Please can everyone remind me to just let DS get on with it next time he decides to go through a 'wakeful' phase and I'm clawing the walls.

hopefully poor little T and poor you!

debi enjoy your holiday, where are you off to?

imo are you like me and mostly looking forward to going clothes shopping with your first paycheck? [DG is a shallow mum emoticon]

Thanks digi and sunshine we're off to Gibraltar for a week to stay with friends.

I think we're getting close to crawling here. ds2 is trying really hard to but mostly just goes backwards then gets annoyed. He's also been going from siting into a crawling position himself.

This afternoon after both boys had had good sleeps ds1 sat and played with his playmobil by himself and ds2 played with a box of books for ages by himself. Very unlike him but lovely. I watched 2 episodes of Corrie and told myself it was a useful job as I was clearing some space on the sky+ for things to record while we're away

Debi glad the funeral went well. Hope you have alovely holiday

Hopefully hope you have a happier baby tomorrow

Sunshine - well done baby Effy

NC and Carrie lovely to meet you both. I think C was taking notes from A as she has been doing some bouncing on her bottom today and actually shifting herself about slightly - previously just flapped her arms optimistically. Dd1 says your dd1 is her friend Carrie

Both kids seem to know I want to get on and accomplish some things in the evening - both keep waking for no reason. Dd1 was awake a lot last night,threw up at preschool probably because she cried so much when I left her,so had to turn back the minute I got home to go fetch her (lovely 4 mile walk altogether!) then fell asleep for ages late in afternoon due to disturbed night, so still awake now , instead of usual 7pm bedtime -I am feeling totally shattered - had about 4hrs sleep last night, walked about 7 milestoday...

(have been off this thread for a week as my blackberry crashes on big threads. I'm not avoiding everyone )

ponymum What a nightmare, i hope you and dd are much better now.

debi glad your grans funeral went well and the travelling was ok.

hopefully My ds was a PITA from about 6-9 months, I think he wanted to be mobile and was grumpy because he couldn't do anything. It was easier out the house most of that time.

DD is now fully up to speed with crawling so all the stair gates are being used again. She is a very snatchy baby though, ds is getting a bit annoyed with losing his toys. Although ds still thinks she is fab, he keeps asking for me to put her in his cot after naps so they wriggle and bounce about the cot together for a few minutes .

We had fun and games in meglet towers last weekend, someone tried to break in. Eveything was ok though as the police were here immediatley. But it shook me up so much . Then at the start of this week i tore a muscle in my side from coughing, so i have a kitchen full of pills to stop the pain and get rid of the chest / sinus infection that caused the coughing in the first place. I feel like an old woman .

Hello, just catching up on this week. I had to go back into hospital and just got home this afternoon. On the bright side DD is getting better and was diagnosed with 'just' a chest infection which is being treated with antibiotics. At least it's nothing worse, and the hospital (small local one) was so nice and really well set-up on the children's ward, which is a comfort to know.

As for me, I have had excrutiating pain spasms since the appendectomy so they readmitted me for tests. Even had to have an MRI scan which I found very scary. Still no diagnosis but the pain has reduced so they have let me home again. I kept imagining that Dr House was going to bound into the room with some brilliant insight into my mystery symptoms. But apparently he doesn't work in the NHS so no such luck.

DH has coped brilliantly while I was in hospital. He has totally cracked the bottle feeding thing and got a great little routine going with DD. Gold star for Daddy!

I am VERY excited to hear about your wedding sunshine! How brilliant, just what a wedding should be. I must admit I am not really a "I'M A BRIDE!!!" type of girl (I wore a simple evening dress and we got married in BIL's front room) but when it's a real celebration of a life together it's just lovely. I hope it's really special for you.

meglet - tore a muscle from coughing? You poor thing!

ponymum I've just come on here to post about you being back in hospital and here you are home again! So sorry i didn't get your dh's email but I've been away meeting people in croydon! Glad you're feeling better, but hope they do get the bottom of it so you don't have repeated problems.
We're home now after a very easy journey (God bless my mum for entertaining dd on the 5 hour drive!) and off out to a party...leaving my mum in charge of the dcs, and dd's first night in a big girl's bed!!

Ooo, goody. I've changed to the 'new' layout so I can see big threads on my phone.

ponymum I felt a pop and a crunching tear when I coughed, thought I'd broken a rib at first! Its getting better now.

DD's first tooth is coming through now, I must remember to not let her chew my fingers anymore! And she started to pull herself up on the sofa earlier.

starlight I'm impressed by how helpful your DH is . My ex p wouldn't have done a fraction of that and would have moaned at me about housework not getting done. He used to go down the pub when I was cluster feeding, leaving me to try and sort the house out .

Sunshine that is lovely news - congrats!!!

We have just come back from a week away in Sicily and it was lovely, but not entirely restful as Erin wanted alot of entertaining and liked having both Mummy and Daddy at her beck and call

Any ideas on keeping Erin sleeping on her back?? Or should I be a bit more relaxed about sleeping on her front/side??

I need your help please ladies. DD is now bottle feeding successfully and we are making up bottles of formula. DH made the transition while I was in hospital but I just found out he misunderstood my instructions. He has been making up bottles ahead of time and keeping them in the fridge. Please remind me what the correct / most practical procedure is. While I am very hesistant to tell him he has done something "wrong" when he was a total hero to look after DD on his own AND crack the bottle feeding problem, I do want to get this on the right track asap. My understanding is that you can keep some cooled boiled water in the fridge, then when you want to make up a feed you can add one third fresh boiled water along with the powder. Is this right or is there a better / more correct way?

(Sorry we probably discussed this ages ago but I clearly didn't pay attention.)

Hi Ponymum! Try not to worry too much, I think as long as the water is still quite hot before you add the powder then that is ok. I am quite fanatical about it and carry around a flask of boiled water that has been cooled for 30 mins, but in the early days, I was making up bottles in advance (not adding the formula) and Erin was perfectly fine

Hope you are feeling better!

ponymum what your dh has done (I'm assuming he's been adding the powder and putting bottles of milk in the fridge?) is the old way of doing formula but they recently changed the way it should be done. Now you're not meant to leave it made up in advance.

I only do 2 bottles a day but this is how I do it- boil kettle as soon as ds2 goes for aft nap. 30 mins later put 6 oz water in one bottle and 5oz in other. Then I measure the powder into one of those little sectioned tubs (this helps as the spoon doesn't get clogged up with powder like it does when you add it straight to the bottle of hot water).
After his nap he has the 6 oz bottle.
At bedtime I boil more water and add 3oz to the 5oz to heat it up a bit then add the milk and its then at a good drinking temp.

kagey do you know why the powder has to be added to hot water? Is it just so it dissolves properly? I sometimes add it to only just warm water.

And this has reminded me of something I've been wondering for ages. Why is it you have to use fresh boiled and not re-boiled water? I an't remember.

Going on hol tomorrow. Yippee.